Re: Mind's Eye Instinct for survival

You can pinpoint the beginning of this universe but not that of
Creation with its series of universes.

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
> That is not true the beginning can be pretty much pinpointed .. as for
> parallel universes that is just a wild guess with nothing to support the
> other than it sounds good. There is more evidence supporting the spiritual
> realm than parallel universes
> Allan
>
> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
>
> On Dec 4, 2012 2:26 PM, "RP Singh" <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In my view there is no beginning to creation. There is beginning and
>> end to universes There are infinite no. of universes in parallel and
>> continuously many universes are being born and many are dying , but
>> Creation which includes infinite universes in eternal time , just like
>> the Spirit, is without beginning and without end. The difference is
>> that the nature of creation is dualistic and the Spirit is non-dual.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdouglas@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hello Andrew,
>> >
>> > Heh I can envisage many things, but alas many of them are not true. I
>> > distinguish between two things, matter and spirit. Mattter is all that
>> > is
>> > physical, which includes physical 'matter' and also energy. To me there
>> > is
>> > no paradox of who created the creator. Before the begining there was
>> > only
>> > God, God in spirit, and God created the creation out of the spirt of
>> > God.
>> > That is all matter comes from spirit.
>> >
>> > On Friday, 30 November 2012 18:32:43 UTC, andrew vecsey wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Lee, I can see where all matter has to have an energy component to it
>> >> because matter is manifested as atoms which have motion in them. But I
>> >> could
>> >> also envision pure motion without involving any atoms...like a
>> >> vibration in
>> >> the fabric of space,
>> >>
>> >> On Friday, November 30, 2012 5:53:26 PM UTC+1, Lee Douglas wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Heh except of course that when it comes right down to it.energy is
>> >>> matter
>> >>> and matter is energy.
>> >>> On Friday, 30 November 2012 11:22:14 UTC, andrew vecsey wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The paradoxical dilemma of who created the creator can be
>> >>>> circumnavigated by the possibility that the original creator was not
>> >>>> matter,
>> >>>> but energy. Just like thinking of anything is much faster and much
>> >>>> easier
>> >>>> than building it, it becomes conceivable that energy patterns could
>> >>>> have
>> >>>> evolved in a random chance way and finely tuned by selective
>> >>>> processes to
>> >>>> reach intelligence similar to how most scientists believe that
>> >>>> patterns of
>> >>>> atoms and molecules evolved to form intelligent life.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Energy patterns could have evolved to a point that they manipulated
>> >>>> atoms to desired patterns and forms to code the information required
>> >>>> for
>> >>>> life and to allow them to evolve on their own to complex intelligent
>> >>>> beings
>> >>>> able to wonder at and eventually to solve the riddle of where they
>> >>>> came
>> >>>> from, where they are going and why they are alive. Meaning and
>> >>>> purpose could
>> >>>> then be given to our fleeting moment of existence.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:55:05 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ....... All we have in respect of this is to posit
>> >>>>> creation, begging the question of what created that in an infinite
>> >>>>> regress. .....We might get to an intelligent state in which
>> >>>>> creation
>> >>>>> myths are replaced by something more plausible and Truth comes
>> >>>>> closer.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 29 Nov, 01:41, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> > Neil , even after re-transposition how long could the brain live
>> >>>>> > --1000 years , 10000years or maybe as long as the universe ,but
>> >>>>> > ultimately it will die or be destroyed at the end - time of the
>> >>>>> > universe. What survives is the Truth behind life and nothing else.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:33 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> > wrote:
>> >>>>> > > What survives is the gene - subject to mutations etc. We are
>> >>>>> > > already
>> >>>>> > > 'Borg' in the sense of mass assimilation. One's mind could be
>> >>>>> > > transposed to another substrate (nearish future) - our bodies
>> >>>>> > > are
>> >>>>> > > currently replaced every 5 years or so- and the new substrate
>> >>>>> > > could
>> >>>>> > > have nanobots that would allow minds to outlive Lee's 'hope'.
>> >>>>> > > Such
>> >>>>> > > substrated minds might link in super-intelligence and be able to
>> >>>>> > > re-
>> >>>>> > > transfer into more human-like bodies they learned to make. This
>> >>>>> > > would
>> >>>>> > > be a time beyond singularity. We don't know what such
>> >>>>> > > intelligence
>> >>>>> > > might invent or even discover - perhaps such intelligence would
>> >>>>> > > discover we are not as alone as we think. Being human or human
>> >>>>> > > being
>> >>>>> > > might be as irrelevant as a mitochondria wanting to live free
>> >>>>> > > again.
>> >>>>> > > We might be free of the tiny machines (genes) so much part of
>> >>>>> > > our
>> >>>>> > > behaviour now.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > > On 28 Nov, 14:40, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> > >> T9 grrrrrrr
>> >>>>> > >> Allan
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
>> >>>>> > >> On Nov 28, 2012 11:38 AM, "gabbydott" <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> > >> wrote:
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > >> > Ah! That's the extended version of 'possibly maybe' then (my
>> >>>>> > >> > grammar and
>> >>>>> > >> > spelling checker suggests 10 instead of 'then' though)! :)
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > >> > 2012/11/28 James <ashkas...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > >> >> I am an aspect of what was, is, and will be, coextensively.
>> >>>>> > >> >> Maybe.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > >> >> On 11/27/2012 2:28 AM, RP Singh wrote:
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > >> >>> Attachment to life is the cause of the desire for
>> >>>>> > >> >>> immortality
>> >>>>> > >> >>> and the
>> >>>>> > >> >>> readiness to believe in an after-life or re-birth. It is an
>> >>>>> > >> >>> off-shoot of
>> >>>>> > >> >>> the instinct for survival.
>> >>>>> >
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