Re: Mind's Eye Constructor Theory Thinking

The key thing, benefit or horror, is what Marx called 'the embodiment
of knowledge' in machines. On another side of that, when I was an
undergraduate I a
was in group less than 4% of the population. Now the plan is t have
50% of the population graduate. Does anyone really believe the
correct or achievable ratio of highly skilled to grunt is 1 : 1?
On 1 Dec, 13:30, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> We are also dependent and trapped by machines and have lost many basic
> skills in the process. Machines are our answer to slave and serf
> labor.
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> On Nov 30, 4:21 am, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I like to add my thoughts and opinions to this very interesting discussion.
> > The question of if god the creator would provide limited knowledge....
> > could be looked on the following simplified way.... To a machine, designed
> > by man, man is god. Man makes his machines with the goal to make them
> > superior to himself so as to surpass his own abilities and limitations. The
> > software of a machine can be thought of as the soul of the machine. While
> > the purpose of machines is to work for man... to be his eyes and ears and
> > his hands and feet, with this line of thinking.. the purpose of man is to
> > live for god...to experience the physical world for him. When a machine is
> > terminated, its accumulated work lives on. When man dies, his accumulated
> > experience lives on.
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> > On Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:45:47 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
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> > > Neil if you were in the position of God..   Would you provide
> > > unlimited knowledge to humanity?  You have to look at how knowledge
> > > has been handled till now.  the rules are well known ..I think
> > > selfishness is a very dominate trait ..  therein  lies a problem..
> > > Are we discarded as a mistake,,  no  it may seem that way individuals
> > > are not judged by humanity but rather by their own actions and
> > > reactions.
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> > > I think the problem lies in trying to figure out the purpose of life
> > > is and ones relationship with the power greater than oneself and how
> > > you see the situation.     Now how you respond to your life is your
> > > drama .. the effect of your drama creates your karma which ultimately
> > > determines your status in the great mandala..
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> > > What a person believes is actually of little importance..  How you
> > > live your life is.. In my opinion for what it is worth you are an
> > > extremely good soul trapped in a human body.
> > > Allan
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> > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:02 PM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
> > > wrote:
> > > > I'm not sure on souls Allan - what does seem clear is we aren't
> > > > trusted with much knowledge if there is a lot more to know - or could
> > > > not serve existing purpose and 'travel' with that knowledge, or we are
> > > > a discarded mistake.
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> > > > On 26 Nov, 08:47, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> You are very right there Neil.. the only possible solutions lies in
> > > >> religious beliefs..  that comes down to do souls exist  and the
> > > >> origine of souls..  My opinion is well known yet I am still open to
> > > >> ideas.
> > > >> Allan
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> > > >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > We don't see to have much clue when it comes to bigger pictures
> > > Allan.
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> > > >> > On 25 Nov, 09:31, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> maybe humans have this same basic hardwired instinct as the bees for
> > > >> >> looking out the hive of humanity only the age of reason and
> > > >> >> selfishness has over ridden it in most cases..
> > > >> >> interesting comparison:
> > > >> >> Allan
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> > > >> >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:15 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> >> > We have now uncovered a rich repertoire of behaviours under the
> > > hive
> > > >> >> > lid. Studies of the choreography of the waggle dance, for
> > > instance,
> > > >> >> > have revealed that a worker will interrupt another's jive with a
> > > butt
> > > >> >> > to the head if it has found danger - a spider, say - at the
> > > location
> > > >> >> > (Current Biology, vol 20, p 310). Bees also display an
> > > extraordinary
> > > >> >> > range of housekeeping chores, including spring cleaning, mutual
> > > >> >> > grooming and a form of surveillance in which "bouncers" guard
> > > >> >> > entrances against intruders. The hive has even evolved its own air
> > > >> >> > conditioning; when temperatures soar, the workers sprinkle water
> > > over
> > > >> >> > the honeycomb and beat their wings to produce a cooling draft.  In
> > > >> >> > total we have now recorded around 60 separate behaviours for
> > > worker
> > > >> >> > honeybees, including six different kinds of dance (Current
> > > Biology,
> > > >> >> > vol 19, p R995). These achievements seem to overshadow the
> > > abilities
> > > >> >> > of many mammals. Rabbits are thought to show about 30 distinct
> > > >> >> > behaviours, and the beaver has about 50 in its busy life felling
> > > >> >> > trees, building damns and storing food. Even the bottlenose
> > > dolphin's
> > > >> >> > 120 or so routines are only about twice the number a worker
> > > honeybee
> > > >> >> > manages.
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> > > >> >> > Despite this bulging portfolio of behaviours, many zoologists have
> > > >> >> > remained sceptical about apian intelligence, believing they were
> > > >> >> > seeing hard-wired instinct rather than flexible thought. "The
> > > brain of
> > > >> >> > a bee is the size of a grass seed and is not made for thinking,"
> > > said
> > > >> >> > von Frisch in 1962. However, that view is now changing, as Chittka
> > > and
> > > >> >> > others discover a surprising mental agility behind the bee's
> > > bumbling
> > > >> >> > exterior. Chittka's first revelation came while he was
> > > investigating
> > > >> >> > the way honeybees navigate to a flower patch. Varying the number
> > > of
> > > >> >> > 3.5-metre-tall tents between a hive and a feeder - "It looked more
> > > >> >> > like an art installation than an experiment" - he found that
> > > foragers
> > > >> >> > seemed to count landmarks rather than using the overall distance
> > > when
> > > >> >> > working out where to land. Subsequent research has confirmed this
> > > >> >> > numeracy, showing that bees can match the quantity shown in simple
> > > >> >> > pictures of shapes to find a reward. In one trial they were shown
> > > >> >> > three leaves and then had to choose between two and three lemons,
> > > for
> > > >> >> > instance - a test they passed with ease. The ability to match
> > > signs
> > > >> >> > using different symbols is crucial, showing that the bees did not
> > > just
> > > >> >> > rely on a memory of a specific image but understood the underlying
> > > >> >> > number. But this ability is limited: bees can only count to four.
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> > > >> >> > There seems an endless supply of uninteresting people rigsy - I am
> > > not
> > > >> >> > sure mice are so discriminating!  Old cops would appear a couple
> > > of
> > > >> >> > yeas into retirement looking much younger and ask when our (job)
> > > >> >> > sentences were coming to an end.  My scientist colleagues nearly
> > > all
> > > >> >> > resent not being into enquiry.  The experiments with mice involve
> > > >> >> > dicing brains - there are physical changes due to isolation in
> > > tissues
> > > >> >> > surrounding neurons.
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> > > >> >> > On 23 Nov, 13:38, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> Wolfram Alpha - now there's an example of something not doing
> > > what it
> > > >> >> >> said on the tin at the launch!  I shall go back.
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> > > >> >> >> They've found a wasp described as having a 'clock work brain'.
> > >  Seen
> > > >> >> >> most of your finds James - which only shows our interests
> > > overlap.
> > > >> >> >> Your take on Deutsch hadn't occurred to me and set my mind
> > > spinning.
> > > >> >> >> I'm after a holy grail - something that would be a framework for
> > > >> >> >> rational discussion.  Took a sleeping tablet last night because I
> > > >> >> >> couldn't switch off - a problem my laptop is having since W8!  It
> > > now
> > > >> >> >> boots as rapidly as my first PC from a 5 inch floppy.
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> > > >> >> >> Will get t your links and then walk dog (tail wag as I write
> > > this!) to
> > > >> >> >> let news spin.
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> > > >> >> >> On 23 Nov, 04:48, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > >> >> >> > Here's a neat reference to brain development in a tiny wasp
> > > which
> > > >> >> >> > undergoes major neural expansion when it leaves the nest,
> > > dendrites to
> > > >> >> >> > the tune of seven to eight mm long in a brain the size of two
> > > grains of
> > > >> >> >> > sand.
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> > > >> >> >> > Tiny But Adaptable Wasp Brains Show Ability To Alter Their
> > > Architecture
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> > >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091014144738.htm
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> > > >> >> >> > An offshoot for a member here, my father in law mentioned
> > > working in
> > > >> >> >> > audio biofeedback training \brain wave states with a woman 40
> > > years ago
> > > >> >> >> > with successful results using EEG equipment. The tech may be
> > > available
> > > >> >> >> > in nano-sensor array headsets today (a gaming rig/platform).
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> > > >> >> >> > I'm out of steam tonight, reading about exocortex theories, the
> > > memex
> > > >> >> >> > and ended up at this fascinating timeline at wolfram alpha!
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> > >http://www.wolframalpha.com/docs/timeline/computable-knowledge-histor...
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> > > >> >> >> > Be well, happy turkey day, thanks gabby! :)
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> > > >> >> >> > ps. These are pretty neat too, apparently I became fascinated
> > > by wasp
> > > >> >> >> > neurology a couple months ago.
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> > > >> >> >> > Alien Wasps Abduct, Drop Ants to Get Food:
> > >http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/04/110406-aliens-wasps-a...
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> > > >> >> >> > Wasps Can Recognize Faces - Social species relies on
> > > recognition to keep
> > > >> >> >> > the peace, study suggests.
> > >http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/11/111202-wasps-people-f...
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> > > >> >> >> > On 11/20/2012 3:49 PM, archytas wrote:
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> > > >> >> >> > > I would certainly sign up for the brain-machine interface and
> > > a bit
> > > >> >> >> > > of  splicing with a prawn to see in 16 colours (preferably
> > > with an
> > > >> >> >> > > alien who sees the dark).  One possibility is that we don't
> > > know how
> > > >> >> >> > > to use our brains much - capacity is massive potentially.  I
> > > rather
> > > >> >> >> > > like the idea that biological intelligence is short-lived and
> > > other
> > > >> >> >> > > civilisations have passed through it.  Stuff like Skydrive
> > > (which
> > > >> >> >> > > sadly are attempts to rent software to us at high prices)
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