Re: Mind's Eye Re: thought experiments

Ahh the Malta Fund what an experiment? in just that..
Allan

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:31 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
> I suspect we need daring to admit we need the transition Lee. The
> plan should be to provide decent livings for all through developing
> new ways of living that are eco-friendly. I doubt there are any real
> arguments against this. But in strategic management the mission and
> future scenario bits are easier than 'transition'. We need the dream
> to establish, working back, what the milestones would be. Somewhere
> in this we have to stop war, establish policing that isn't a police
> state and so on. I suspect the driver will have to be technology, as
> argument does so little to displace ideology.
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> On 15 Nov, 13:23, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> There Archy is my achilles heel. Seeing the end yes I can envisage that,
>> but as I say better brains than mine will have to handle transition.
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>> As to idealogy it is clear to me that this changes over time. For example
>> as I was growing up the corner shop was the 'Paki' shop, now in this
>> country that sort of language, and hence any ideas that go along with it,
>> even from kids is simply not tolerated anymore.
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>> On Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:35:20 UTC, archytas wrote:
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>> > The good dream side of this is what you say Lee. But the thought
>> > experiment is a challenge to current ideology. I've noticed over the
>> > years that the most passionate defenders of the protestant work ethic
>> > don't do jobs involving hard work for low pay.
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>> > On Oct 26, 2:19 pm, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Ahhhh robot heaven is my ideal.
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>> > > It gets rid of money as nobody would need to barter goods or services
>> > > to survive, it would mean that humans can spend more time growing and
>> > > learning, and can you imagine the various works of art, in all media?
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>> > > Now of course the thing to consider is the transitional period, and I
>> > guess
>> > > this is Archy's main thrust. Our history shows us that
>> > > such transitional periods are fraught with violence and upheaval, I
>> > suspect
>> > > a move to robotic heaven would be little different.
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>> > > So we have robots a plenty and much work going on in robotics. I
>> > suspect
>> > > the next thing we'll have to sort is robots that make and repair robots.
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>> > > Should we concentrate then on food and water production and
>> > distribution?
>> > > Why yes I think we should.
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>> > > Get that done and then nobody has to pay for food or water, ahhh now we
>> > are
>> > > getting somewhere. A world full of thinkers and artists!
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>> > > Energy next?
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>> > > On Wednesday, 19 September 2012 22:56:36 UTC+1, archytas wrote:
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>> > > > Thought experiments are devices of the imagination used to investigate
>> > > > the nature of things. Thought experimenting often takes place when the
>> > > > method of variation is employed in entertaining imaginative
>> > > > suppositions. They are used for diverse reasons in a variety of areas,
>> > > > including economics, history, mathematics, philosophy, and physics.
>> > > > Most often thought experiments are communicated in narrative form,
>> > > > sometimes through media like a diagram. Thought experiments should be
>> > > > distinguished from thinking about experiments, from merely imagining
>> > > > any experiments to be conducted outside the imagination, and from
>> > > > psychological experiments with thoughts. They should also be
>> > > > distinguished from counterfactual reasoning in general, as they seem
>> > > > to require an experimental element.
>> > > >http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/thought-experiment/
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>> > > > One I like is the notion of robot heaven. It's easy enough to imagine
>> > > > a time when machines grow our food, build our shelter and do our
>> > > > work. The interesting stuff comes in thinking what this would mean
>> > > > for wealth distribution and the nature of society. What work would be
>> > > > left to do? One can also wonder what place any of our work ethics
>> > > > would have in such a society. There may be some deconstructive effect
>> > > > on just what current work ideologies are in place for.
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>> > > > One of the great improvements technology brought to my life is more or
>> > > > less never having to go into a bank. The only real innovations in
>> > > > banking are the ATM and electronic banking. This kind of technology
>> > > > and similar in agriculture and industry fundamentally reduce the
>> > > > amount of human effort to grow and make what we need. We are in
>> > > > partial state of robot heaven.
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>> > > > Our ideologies are not up to speed. Real unemployment is massive and
>> > > > education does little to provide job skills. We are sold life-styles
>> > > > and products by insane advertising. Job creation seems to be in
>> > > > perverse areas like financial services or bringing back attended gas-
>> > > > pumps. With more efficient production we should be able to afford a
>> > > > bigger social sector and I can't for the life of me understand why we
>> > > > allow competition through crap wages and conditions.
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>> > > > A great deal of what we pay for could be available more or less free.
>> > > > Educational content and utility banking are examples - these are areas
>> > > > that could be ratinalised like agriculture and manufacturing.
>> > > > Millions of jobs would go. We should be asking why jobs are so
>> > > > central to out thinking on wealth distribution and how we might
>> > > > encourage work without the rat race.
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