Re: Mind's Eye Re: Humour

some one gave me an movie set.. they were terrible and not worth the
effort to watch.. Yuck
Allan

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:44 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
> Python flopped when first released here. Two and a half men and
> Friends are torture. The Harvard Business Review is, indeed, a joke
> Gabby.
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> On Nov 27, 9:18 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> What is the kind of humour you would be paying for?
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>> Here they are asking for suggestions:http://hbr.org/web/slideshows/cartoon/1212/4-slide
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>> 2012/11/27 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
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>> > I agree what little comedy I have heard I actually find quite boring
>> > so I never watch it and sure as heck would not pay to see it,
>> > Allan
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>> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > I don't laugh much at popular comedy. It doesn't seem to get past
>> > childish
>> > > bathroom humor. But find humor invaluable to life and relationship. Even
>> > > deconstructive humor brings us to the place where we find what is of real
>> > > value. But it isn't cruel. Getting past the barbed humor, or what is
>> > being
>> > > passed as humor but is really meant to insult or injure is simply
>> > passing up
>> > > baloney for filet mignon. Monty Python never fails to amuse, as it shows
>> > the
>> > > timeless human condition in a humorous light.
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>> > > On Monday, November 26, 2012 9:45:36 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote:
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>> > >> Not seen Chris or Charles Don. Hicks, a few derivative references
>> > >> apart, could have been a Brit. Our cultures are probably less far
>> > >> apart than such matters as the absence of footpaths in the States.
>> > >> Our serious comedy is mostly political satire from Yes Minister to The
>> > >> Thick of It. What I was wondering was whether any one else feels more
>> > >> general film and literature has gone Tragic and plots and characters
>> > >> less and less comedic in the old Greek sense. Our old sitcoms like
>> > >> Dads' Army, Steptoe and Son and plenty of others had a great element
>> > >> of 'daft people like me and you caught in a plight and muddling
>> > >> through'. Bilko and Top Cat had this too. A fairly recent French
>> > >> fil,m Mario et Jeanette had this.
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>> > >> On 27 Nov, 00:40, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:15 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> > > At other levels I think we should be ridiculing such matters as the
>> > >> > > absence of disabled people in politically correct newsrooms and
>> > such.
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>> > >> > What about Chris Mathews? budda bump bump
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>> > >> > Charles Krauthammer, in contrast, is a paraplegic but ok from the neck
>> > >> > up.
>> > >> > Most people don't even know about his disability because it's not
>> > >> > relavent.
>> > >> > We like his commentary.
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>> > >> > dj
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>> > >> > On Saturday, November 24, 2012 6:15:40 PM UTC-6, archytas wrote:
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>> > >> > > The Brits do more nob gags and used to pack theatres to see a guy
>> > play
>> > >> > > the trombone with ass-gas- needless to say a Frenchman. Audience
>> > >> > > milking is central to some humour - this tends to put me off, but
>> > some
>> > >> > > are so good at it I don't notice until afterwards. US comedy films
>> > >> > > are usually dross, but your stand-ups usually great. My recent
>> > >> > > favourite is 'The Pope's Toilet' from Uruguay. The hero rides a
>> > bike
>> > >> > > everywhere and his wife describes him as lacking pump for a bicycle
>> > >> > > man. Why do the French smell? So even the blind can hate them.
>> > Why
>> > >> > > would you find an Irishman in the Alps? Where else would you find a
>> > >> > > downhill lake. Irish jokes are Belgian, Polish and Swedish etc.
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>> > >> > > At other levels I think we should be ridiculing such matters as the
>> > >> > > absence of disabled people in politically correct newsrooms and
>> > such.
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>> > >> > > On 24 Nov, 21:46, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> > > > Over here, social workers have taken kids off foster parents
>> > because
>> > >> > > > of their membership of UKIP - a party that shares the desire of
>> > 65%
>> > >> > > > of
>> > >> > > > the population to leave the EU and restrict immigration. You have
>> > >> > > > to
>> > >> > > > laugh - or cry!
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>> > >> > > > On 24 Nov, 21:38, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > >> > > > > Morecambe and Wise with Mum and Dad at Xmas perhaps. Laurel and
>> > >> > > > > Hardy. Many other popular comedians are more likely to make me
>> > >> > > > > weep.
>> > >> > > > > I never liked Chaplin (actually thinking Hitler more of a
>> > comedian
>> > >> > > > > than 'The Dictator') and we had Cannon and Ball here who hit a
>> > >> > > > > nerve I
>> > >> > > > > don't like. I can laugh with some of the ostensibly more
>> > >> > > > > vicious
>> > >> > > > > types like Bill Hicks and Frankie Boyle. Police and army
>> > culture
>> > >> > > > > reveres tough, sadistic humour with self-depreciation thrown in.
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>> > >> > > > > I'm against speech crime but it's also clear not everything
>> > goes.
>> > >> > > > > I
>> > >> > > > > don't agree with the Greek split - it's from Stanford EP -
>> > >> > > > > suspecting
>> > >> > > > > humour is closely linked with breakthrough thinking (though not
>> > >> > > > > the
>> > >> > > > > same) and unseating the biological trance of hierarchy (The Name
>> > >> > > > > of
>> > >> > > > > the Rose).
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>> > >> > > > > The SEP article concludes:
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>> > >> > > > > Along with the idealism of tragedy goes elitism. The people who
>> > >> > > > > matter
>> > >> > > > > in tragedy are kings, queens, and generals. In comedy there are
>> > >> > > > > more
>> > >> > > > > characters and more kinds of characters, women are more
>> > prominent,
>> > >> > > > > and
>> > >> > > > > many protagonists come from lower classes. Everybody counts for
>> > >> > > > > one.
>> > >> > > > > That shows in the language of comedy, which, unlike the elevated
>> > >> > > > > language of tragedy, is common speech. The basic unit in tragedy
>> > >> > > > > is
>> > >> > > > > the individual, in comedy it is the family, group of friends, or
>> > >> > > > > bunch
>> > >> > > > > of co-workers.
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>> > >> > > > > While tragic heroes are emotionally engaged with their problems,
>> > >> > > > > comic
>> > >> > > > > protagonists show emotional disengagement. They think, rather
>> > than
>> > >> > > > > feel, their way through difficulties. By presenting such
>> > >> > > > > characters as
>> > >> > > > > role models, comedy has implicitly valorized the benefits of
>> > humor
>> > >> > > > > that are now being empirically verified, such as that it is
>> > >> > > > > psychologically and physically healthy, it fosters mental
>> > >> > > > > flexibility,
>> > >> > > > > and it serves as a social lubricant. With a few exceptions like
>> > >> > > > > Aquinas, philosophers have ignored these benefits.
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>> > >> > > > > If philosophers wanted to undo the traditional prejudices
>> > against
>> > >> > > > > humor, they might consider the affinities between one
>> > contemporary
>> > >> > > > > genre of comedy—standup comedy—and philosophy itself. There are
>> > at
>> > >> > > > > least seven. First, standup comedy and philosophy are
>> > >> > > > > conversational:
>> > >> > > > > like the dialogue format that started with Plato, standup
>> > routines
>> > >> > > > > are
>> > >> > > > > interactive. Second, both reflect on familiar experiences,
>> > >> > > > > especially
>> > >> > > > > puzzling ones. We wake from a vivid dream, for example, not sure
>> > >> > > > > what
>> > >> > > > > has happened and what is happening. Third, like philosophers,
>> > >> > > > > standup
>> > >> > > > > comics often approach puzzling experiences with questions. "If I
>> > >> > > > > thought that dream was real, how do I know that I'm not dreaming
>> > >> > > > > right
>> > >> > > > > now?" The most basic starting point in both philosophy and
>> > standup
>> > >> > > > > comedy is "X—what's up with that?" Fourth, as they think about
>> > >> > > > > familiar experiences, both philosophers and comics step back
>> > >> > > > > emotionally from them. Henri Bergson (1911 [1900]) spoke of the
>> > >> > > > > "momentary anaesthesia of the heart" in laughter. Emotional
>> > >> > > > > disengagement long ago became a meaning of
>> > >> > > > > "philosophical"—"rational,
>> > >> > > > > sensibly composed, calm, as in a difficult situation." Fifth,
>> > >> > > > > philosophers and standup comics think critically. They ask
>> > whether
>> > >> > > > > familiar ideas make sense, and they refuse to defer to authority
>> > >> > > > > and
>> > >> > > > > tradition. It was for his critical thinking that Socrates was
>> > >> > > > > executed. So were cabaret comics in Germany who mocked the Third
>> > >> > > > > Reich. Sixth, in thinking critically, philosophers and standup
>> > >> > > > > comics
>> > >> > > > > pay careful attention to language. Attacking sloppy and
>> > illogical
>> > >> > > > > uses
>> > >> > > > > of words is standard in both, and so is finding exactly the
>> > right
>> > >> > > > > words to express an idea. Seventh, the pleasure of standup
>> > comedy
>> > >> > > > > is
>> > >> > > > > often like the pleasure of doing philosophy. In both we relish
>> > new
>> > >> > > > > ways of looking at things and delight in surprising thoughts.
>> > >> > > > > William
>> > >> > > > > James (1979 [1911], 11) said that philosophy "sees the familiar
>> > as
>> > >> > > > > if
>> > >> > > > > it were strange, and the strange as if it were familiar." The
>> > same
>> > >> > > > > is
>> > >> > > > > true of standup comedy. Simon Critchley has written that both
>> > ask
>> > >> > > > > us
>> > >> > > > > to "look at things as if you had just landed from another
>> > >> > > > > planet" (2002, 1).
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>> > >> > > > > One recent philosopher attuned to the affinity between comedy
>> > and
>> > >> > > > > philosophy was Bertrand Russell. "The point of philosophy," he
>> > >> > > > > said,
>> > >> > > > > "is to start with something so simple as not to seem worth
>> > >> > > > > stating,
>> > >> > > > > and to end with something so paradoxical that no one will
>> > believe
>> > >> > > > > it" (1918, 53). In the middle of an argument, he once observed,
>> > >> > > > > "This
>> > >> > > > > seems plainly absurd: but whoever wishes to become a philosopher
>> > >> > > > > must
>> > >> > > > > learn not to be frightened by absurdities" (2008 [1912], 17).
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>> > >> > > > > I laughed a lot
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