Re: Mind's Eye Constructor Theory Thinking

Thanks Allan - I'm rather fond of you. Our relationship with future
knowledge may be close to that between us and a deity. Super-
intelligence may already be around us waiting for us to pass through
the singularity to 'machine' intelligence. The machine will probably
be biological.

On 29 Nov, 19:45, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Neil if you were in the position of God..   Would you provide
> unlimited knowledge to humanity?  You have to look at how knowledge
> has been handled till now.  the rules are well known ..I think
> selfishness is a very dominate trait ..  therein  lies a problem..
> Are we discarded as a mistake,,  no  it may seem that way individuals
> are not judged by humanity but rather by their own actions and
> reactions.
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> I think the problem lies in trying to figure out the purpose of life
> is and ones relationship with the power greater than oneself and how
> you see the situation.     Now how you respond to your life is your
> drama .. the effect of your drama creates your karma which ultimately
> determines your status in the great mandala..
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> What a person believes is actually of little importance..  How you
> live your life is.. In my opinion for what it is worth you are an
> extremely good soul trapped in a human body.
> Allan
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> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:02 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm not sure on souls Allan - what does seem clear is we aren't
> > trusted with much knowledge if there is a lot more to know - or could
> > not serve existing purpose and 'travel' with that knowledge, or we are
> > a discarded mistake.
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> > On 26 Nov, 08:47, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> You are very right there Neil.. the only possible solutions lies in
> >> religious beliefs..  that comes down to do souls exist  and the
> >> origine of souls..  My opinion is well known yet I am still open to
> >> ideas.
> >> Allan
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> >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > We don't see to have much clue when it comes to bigger pictures Allan.
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> >> > On 25 Nov, 09:31, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> maybe humans have this same basic hardwired instinct as the bees for
> >> >> looking out the hive of humanity only the age of reason and
> >> >> selfishness has over ridden it in most cases..
> >> >> interesting comparison:
> >> >> Allan
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> >> >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:15 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > We have now uncovered a rich repertoire of behaviours under the hive
> >> >> > lid. Studies of the choreography of the waggle dance, for instance,
> >> >> > have revealed that a worker will interrupt another's jive with a butt
> >> >> > to the head if it has found danger - a spider, say - at the location
> >> >> > (Current Biology, vol 20, p 310). Bees also display an extraordinary
> >> >> > range of housekeeping chores, including spring cleaning, mutual
> >> >> > grooming and a form of surveillance in which "bouncers" guard
> >> >> > entrances against intruders. The hive has even evolved its own air
> >> >> > conditioning; when temperatures soar, the workers sprinkle water over
> >> >> > the honeycomb and beat their wings to produce a cooling draft.  In
> >> >> > total we have now recorded around 60 separate behaviours for worker
> >> >> > honeybees, including six different kinds of dance (Current Biology,
> >> >> > vol 19, p R995). These achievements seem to overshadow the abilities
> >> >> > of many mammals. Rabbits are thought to show about 30 distinct
> >> >> > behaviours, and the beaver has about 50 in its busy life felling
> >> >> > trees, building damns and storing food. Even the bottlenose dolphin's
> >> >> > 120 or so routines are only about twice the number a worker honeybee
> >> >> > manages.
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> >> >> > Despite this bulging portfolio of behaviours, many zoologists have
> >> >> > remained sceptical about apian intelligence, believing they were
> >> >> > seeing hard-wired instinct rather than flexible thought. "The brain of
> >> >> > a bee is the size of a grass seed and is not made for thinking," said
> >> >> > von Frisch in 1962. However, that view is now changing, as Chittka and
> >> >> > others discover a surprising mental agility behind the bee's bumbling
> >> >> > exterior. Chittka's first revelation came while he was investigating
> >> >> > the way honeybees navigate to a flower patch. Varying the number of
> >> >> > 3.5-metre-tall tents between a hive and a feeder - "It looked more
> >> >> > like an art installation than an experiment" - he found that foragers
> >> >> > seemed to count landmarks rather than using the overall distance when
> >> >> > working out where to land. Subsequent research has confirmed this
> >> >> > numeracy, showing that bees can match the quantity shown in simple
> >> >> > pictures of shapes to find a reward. In one trial they were shown
> >> >> > three leaves and then had to choose between two and three lemons, for
> >> >> > instance - a test they passed with ease. The ability to match signs
> >> >> > using different symbols is crucial, showing that the bees did not just
> >> >> > rely on a memory of a specific image but understood the underlying
> >> >> > number. But this ability is limited: bees can only count to four.
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> >> >> > There seems an endless supply of uninteresting people rigsy - I am not
> >> >> > sure mice are so discriminating!  Old cops would appear a couple of
> >> >> > yeas into retirement looking much younger and ask when our (job)
> >> >> > sentences were coming to an end.  My scientist colleagues nearly all
> >> >> > resent not being into enquiry.  The experiments with mice involve
> >> >> > dicing brains - there are physical changes due to isolation in tissues
> >> >> > surrounding neurons.
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> >> >> > On 23 Nov, 13:38, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> Wolfram Alpha - now there's an example of something not doing what it
> >> >> >> said on the tin at the launch!  I shall go back.
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> >> >> >> They've found a wasp described as having a 'clock work brain'.  Seen
> >> >> >> most of your finds James - which only shows our interests overlap.
> >> >> >> Your take on Deutsch hadn't occurred to me and set my mind spinning.
> >> >> >> I'm after a holy grail - something that would be a framework for
> >> >> >> rational discussion.  Took a sleeping tablet last night because I
> >> >> >> couldn't switch off - a problem my laptop is having since W8!  It now
> >> >> >> boots as rapidly as my first PC from a 5 inch floppy.
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> >> >> >> Will get t your links and then walk dog (tail wag as I write this!) to
> >> >> >> let news spin.
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> >> >> >> On 23 Nov, 04:48, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >> >> > Here's a neat reference to brain development in a tiny wasp which
> >> >> >> > undergoes major neural expansion when it leaves the nest, dendrites to
> >> >> >> > the tune of seven to eight mm long in a brain the size of two grains of
> >> >> >> > sand.
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> >> >> >> > Tiny But Adaptable Wasp Brains Show Ability To Alter Their Architecture
> >> >> >> >    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091014144738.htm
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> >> >> >> > An offshoot for a member here, my father in law mentioned working in
> >> >> >> > audio biofeedback training \brain wave states with a woman 40 years ago
> >> >> >> > with successful results using EEG equipment. The tech may be available
> >> >> >> > in nano-sensor array headsets today (a gaming rig/platform).
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> >> >> >> > I'm out of steam tonight, reading about exocortex theories, the memex
> >> >> >> > and ended up at this fascinating timeline at wolfram alpha!
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> >> >> >> >http://www.wolframalpha.com/docs/timeline/computable-knowledge-histor...
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> >> >> >> > Be well, happy turkey day, thanks gabby! :)
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> >> >> >> > ps. These are pretty neat too, apparently I became fascinated by wasp
> >> >> >> > neurology a couple months ago.
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> >> >> >> > Alien Wasps Abduct, Drop Ants to Get Food:http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/04/110406-aliens-wasps-a...
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> >> >> >> > Wasps Can Recognize Faces - Social species relies on recognition to keep
> >> >> >> > the peace, study suggests.http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/11/111202-wasps-people-f...
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> >> >> >> > On 11/20/2012 3:49 PM, archytas wrote:
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> >> >> >> > > I would certainly sign up for the brain-machine interface and a bit
> >> >> >> > > of  splicing with a prawn to see in 16 colours (preferably with an
> >> >> >> > > alien who sees the dark).  One possibility is that we don't know how
> >> >> >> > > to use our brains much - capacity is massive potentially.  I rather
> >> >> >> > > like the idea that biological intelligence is short-lived and other
> >> >> >> > > civilisations have passed through it.  Stuff like Skydrive (which
> >> >> >> > > sadly are attempts to rent software to us at high prices) could be
> >> >> >> > > conceived as a thought-cloud in which individuality as we think of it
> >> >> >> > > becomes as redundant as the PC once netware works.  We may see a
> >> >> >> > > network in which all skills are embodied and means of production
> >> >> >> > > available to all.  In some parts of science we are thinking the
> >> >> >> > > machines are up to a lot we don't understand already.
> >> >> >> > > More in my own field - we are finding brain changes associated with
> >> >> >> > > social isolation.  In mice these changes leave the mice uninterested
> >> >> >> > > in new mice (the opposite of normal).  The brain is much more plastic
> >> >> >> > > than most imagine and humanity is changing.  On the familiarity thing
> >> >> >> > > James, E = mc2 is actually as slightly larger equation including p
> >> >> >> > > (momentum) and looks like the right-angled triangle introduced to us
> >> >> >> > > in Pythagoras' theorem.  I take Deutsch as warning us against Bacon's
> >> >> >> > > Idol of the Theatre.
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> >> >> >> > > On 20 Nov, 04:56, James<ashkas...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> >> >> > >> Whew Neil, I lack the time to grasp it well, though my instincts tell me
> >> >> >> > >> to re-skim Pierce and modal logics to find out why it sounds so
> >> >> >> > >> familiar. In my limited view S4 really bites us in the cognitive bias
> >> >> >> > >> (meh, posterior) and Deutsche lays that out well on counterfactuals IMO.
> >> >> >> > >> Hope I get more time soon to compare his robot with the 3,2,1
> >> >> >> > >> configuration in Trikonic
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