On Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:45:47 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
Neil if you were in the position of God.. Would you provide--
unlimited knowledge to humanity? You have to look at how knowledge
has been handled till now. the rules are well known ..I think
selfishness is a very dominate trait .. therein lies a problem..
Are we discarded as a mistake,, no it may seem that way individuals
are not judged by humanity but rather by their own actions and
reactions.
I think the problem lies in trying to figure out the purpose of life
is and ones relationship with the power greater than oneself and how
you see the situation. Now how you respond to your life is your
drama .. the effect of your drama creates your karma which ultimately
determines your status in the great mandala..
What a person believes is actually of little importance.. How you
live your life is.. In my opinion for what it is worth you are an
extremely good soul trapped in a human body.
Allan
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:02 PM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure on souls Allan - what does seem clear is we aren't
> trusted with much knowledge if there is a lot more to know - or could
> not serve existing purpose and 'travel' with that knowledge, or we are
> a discarded mistake.
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> On 26 Nov, 08:47, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> You are very right there Neil.. the only possible solutions lies in
>> religious beliefs.. that comes down to do souls exist and the
>> origine of souls.. My opinion is well known yet I am still open to
>> ideas.
>> Allan
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>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > We don't see to have much clue when it comes to bigger pictures Allan.
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>> > On 25 Nov, 09:31, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> maybe humans have this same basic hardwired instinct as the bees for
>> >> looking out the hive of humanity only the age of reason and
>> >> selfishness has over ridden it in most cases..
>> >> interesting comparison:
>> >> Allan
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>> >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:15 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > We have now uncovered a rich repertoire of behaviours under the hive
>> >> > lid. Studies of the choreography of the waggle dance, for instance,
>> >> > have revealed that a worker will interrupt another's jive with a butt
>> >> > to the head if it has found danger - a spider, say - at the location
>> >> > (Current Biology, vol 20, p 310). Bees also display an extraordinary
>> >> > range of housekeeping chores, including spring cleaning, mutual
>> >> > grooming and a form of surveillance in which "bouncers" guard
>> >> > entrances against intruders. The hive has even evolved its own air
>> >> > conditioning; when temperatures soar, the workers sprinkle water over
>> >> > the honeycomb and beat their wings to produce a cooling draft. In
>> >> > total we have now recorded around 60 separate behaviours for worker
>> >> > honeybees, including six different kinds of dance (Current Biology,
>> >> > vol 19, p R995). These achievements seem to overshadow the abilities
>> >> > of many mammals. Rabbits are thought to show about 30 distinct
>> >> > behaviours, and the beaver has about 50 in its busy life felling
>> >> > trees, building damns and storing food. Even the bottlenose dolphin's
>> >> > 120 or so routines are only about twice the number a worker honeybee
>> >> > manages.
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>> >> > Despite this bulging portfolio of behaviours, many zoologists have
>> >> > remained sceptical about apian intelligence, believing they were
>> >> > seeing hard-wired instinct rather than flexible thought. "The brain of
>> >> > a bee is the size of a grass seed and is not made for thinking," said
>> >> > von Frisch in 1962. However, that view is now changing, as Chittka and
>> >> > others discover a surprising mental agility behind the bee's bumbling
>> >> > exterior. Chittka's first revelation came while he was investigating
>> >> > the way honeybees navigate to a flower patch. Varying the number of
>> >> > 3.5-metre-tall tents between a hive and a feeder - "It looked more
>> >> > like an art installation than an experiment" - he found that foragers
>> >> > seemed to count landmarks rather than using the overall distance when
>> >> > working out where to land. Subsequent research has confirmed this
>> >> > numeracy, showing that bees can match the quantity shown in simple
>> >> > pictures of shapes to find a reward. In one trial they were shown
>> >> > three leaves and then had to choose between two and three lemons, for
>> >> > instance - a test they passed with ease. The ability to match signs
>> >> > using different symbols is crucial, showing that the bees did not just
>> >> > rely on a memory of a specific image but understood the underlying
>> >> > number. But this ability is limited: bees can only count to four.
>>
>> >> > There seems an endless supply of uninteresting people rigsy - I am not
>> >> > sure mice are so discriminating! Old cops would appear a couple of
>> >> > yeas into retirement looking much younger and ask when our (job)
>> >> > sentences were coming to an end. My scientist colleagues nearly all
>> >> > resent not being into enquiry. The experiments with mice involve
>> >> > dicing brains - there are physical changes due to isolation in tissues
>> >> > surrounding neurons.
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>> >> > On 23 Nov, 13:38, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Wolfram Alpha - now there's an example of something not doing what it
>> >> >> said on the tin at the launch! I shall go back.
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>> >> >> They've found a wasp described as having a 'clock work brain'. Seen
>> >> >> most of your finds James - which only shows our interests overlap.
>> >> >> Your take on Deutsch hadn't occurred to me and set my mind spinning.
>> >> >> I'm after a holy grail - something that would be a framework for
>> >> >> rational discussion. Took a sleeping tablet last night because I
>> >> >> couldn't switch off - a problem my laptop is having since W8! It now
>> >> >> boots as rapidly as my first PC from a 5 inch floppy.
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>> >> >> Will get t your links and then walk dog (tail wag as I write this!) to
>> >> >> let news spin.
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>> >> >> On 23 Nov, 04:48, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> >> > Here's a neat reference to brain development in a tiny wasp which
>> >> >> > undergoes major neural expansion when it leaves the nest, dendrites to
>> >> >> > the tune of seven to eight mm long in a brain the size of two grains of
>> >> >> > sand.
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>> >> >> > Tiny But Adaptable Wasp Brains Show Ability To Alter Their Architecture
>> >> >> > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091014144738. htm
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>> >> >> > An offshoot for a member here, my father in law mentioned working in
>> >> >> > audio biofeedback training \brain wave states with a woman 40 years ago
>> >> >> > with successful results using EEG equipment. The tech may be available
>> >> >> > in nano-sensor array headsets today (a gaming rig/platform).
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>> >> >> > I'm out of steam tonight, reading about exocortex theories, the memex
>> >> >> > and ended up at this fascinating timeline at wolfram alpha!
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>> >> >> >http://www.wolframalpha.com/docs/timeline/computable- ..knowledge-histor.
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>> >> >> > Be well, happy turkey day, thanks gabby! :)
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>> >> >> > ps. These are pretty neat too, apparently I became fascinated by wasp
>> >> >> > neurology a couple months ago.
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>> >> >> > Alien Wasps Abduct, Drop Ants to Get Food:http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/ 2011/04/110406-aliens-wasps-a. ..
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>> >> >> > Wasps Can Recognize Faces - Social species relies on recognition to keep
>> >> >> > the peace, study suggests.http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/ 2011/11/111202-wasps-people-f. ..
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>> >> >> > On 11/20/2012 3:49 PM, archytas wrote:
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>> >> >> > > I would certainly sign up for the brain-machine interface and a bit
>> >> >> > > of splicing with a prawn to see in 16 colours (preferably with an
>> >> >> > > alien who sees the dark). One possibility is that we don't know how
>> >> >> > > to use our brains much - capacity is massive potentially. I rather
>> >> >> > > like the idea that biological intelligence is short-lived and other
>> >> >> > > civilisations have passed through it. Stuff like Skydrive (which
>> >> >> > > sadly are attempts to rent software to us at high prices) could be
>> >> >> > > conceived as a thought-cloud in which individuality as we think of it
>> >> >> > > becomes as redundant as the PC once netware works. We may see a
>> >> >> > > network in which all skills are embodied and means of production
>> >> >> > > available to all. In some parts of science we are thinking the
>> >> >> > > machines are up to a lot we don't understand already.
>> >> >> > > More in my own field - we are finding brain changes associated with
>> >> >> > > social isolation. In mice these changes leave the mice uninterested
>> >> >> > > in new mice (the opposite of normal). The brain is much more plastic
>> >> >> > > than most imagine and humanity is changing. On the familiarity thing
>> >> >> > > James, E = mc2 is actually as slightly larger equation including p
>> >> >> > > (momentum) and looks like the right-angled triangle introduced to us
>> >> >> > > in Pythagoras' theorem. I take Deutsch as warning us against Bacon's
>> >> >> > > Idol of the Theatre.
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>> >> >> > > On 20 Nov, 04:56, James<ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > >> Whew Neil, I lack the time to grasp it well, though my instincts tell me
>> >> >> > >> to re-skim Pierce and modal logics to find out why it sounds so
>> >> >> > >> familiar. In my limited view S4 really bites us in the cognitive bias
>> >> >> > >> (meh, posterior) and Deutsche lays that out well on counterfactuals IMO.
>> >> >> > >> Hope I get more time soon to compare his robot with the 3,2,1
>> >> >> > >> configuration in Trikonic geometry (while fresh in memory).
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>> >> >> > >> Again, it points me toward a much less dramatic revolution for our
>> >> >> > >> equation (depending on which emotions one prefers), transhumanism one
>> >> >> > >> way or another (good and or bad), a very exciting time in the
>> >> >> > >> anthropocene is it not? :p
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>> >> >> > >> Hope all is well everyone!
>> >> >> > >> Best Regards
>>
>> >> >> > >> On 11/16/2012 11:14 AM, archytas wrote:
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>> >> >> > >>> arxiv.org/abs/1210.7439
>> >> >> > >>> Should produce David Deutsch's paper free.
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>> >> >> > >>> This is a good example of science philosophy trying to shift thinking
>> >> >> > >>> boundaries. There's some physics in it, but probably not enough to
>> >> >> > >>> put off a few readers in here. David works on how science may be
>> >> >> > >>> restricted by our traditional myths of origin - and that we tend to
>> >> >> > >>> posit origins (Big Bang etc.) that may be as unhelpful as god concepts
>> >> >> > >>> to science (as opposed to spiritual discussion).
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>> >> >> > >>> He also challenges ideas of mathematical a priori - such as Kant's
>> >> >> > >>> claim to know the geometry of the universe in such a manner.
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>> >> >> > >>> The paper is speculative and I read it because I'm tinkering with
>> >> >> > >>> ideas of what economics might be if it was a science. I'm not a
>> >> >> > >>> believer in scientific method beyond tropical fish realism. What has
>> >> >> > >>> always struck me about economics is that it seems the prime reason for
>> >> >> > >>> not doing things because it renders our hopes impossible. A truly
>> >> >> > >>> scientific theory seeks to show us what is possible and what won't
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Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
I am a Natural Airgunner -
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