There are many "beliefs" that are false and unreasonable. Humans can
be very gullible.
On Oct 28, 12:20 pm, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction is also true. However
> religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief. As it is my stance that we all
> hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it is a wholly
> human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it, only time will tell.
> Just one of the reasons I want to reach at least 400 years old.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52:50 PM UTC, rigsy03 wrote:
>
> > Really? What about the Italian scientists who face prison time for
> > failing to predict the severity of an earthquake? What harmony under
> > the mantle of monotheism? Science and technology will make god(s)
> > obsolete and society can still be managed through various value
> > systems based on new realities and methods of control. Presently, we
> > are trying to integrate two oppositional positions which accounts for
> > a good amount of absurdity and disappointment. As extinct creatures
> > might have warned us, sentimentality is deadly.
>
> > On Oct 28, 2:12 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I really do not see much beyond monotheism atheism holds little but
> > > wishful madness, and as for polytheism the universes would be totally
> > > different.. Just doesn't work.. You are right arrogance is a
> > > tremendous problem which I seriously doubt man will over come.. those
> > > that are arrogant have little reason to change.. It is the monotheism
> > > that keeps some what harmony,, the problems I see come from man
> > > changing the laws of God that have been handed down through the
> > > generations .. It seems these changes are really designed to benefit
> > > them and their goals.
>
> > > without a singular God there would be no harmony even with in nature
> > > and the predictability of science would disappear.
> > > Allan
>
> > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown territory, we have a
> > > > tendency to being destructive and careless. We must evolve if we wish
> > to
> > > > survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles heel
> > (arrogance).
>
> > > > Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so sure monotheism is
> > for
> > > > everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit a niche in
> > nature,
> > > > then further reconcile from that I think there is much less to say on
> > God
> > > > than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so. In the sense of
> > > > attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act so to speak.
> > > > Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and cultural
> > homogeneity
> > > > (dare add monotheism) have allowed us to achieve major advancements
> > but I
> > > > question that we are approaching or even on track with a 'destination
> > > > truth'. It seems we are a hollow shell filled with culture, but
> > shouldn't it
> > > > be the other way around?!
>
> > > > I keep looking, but I'm just not seeing that 10% innovation in the
> > > > population, there is some serious parasitic drag somewhere in our
> > equations.
> > > > Sorry so subjective tonight Al. :)
>
> > > > On 10/26/2012 1:12 PM, Allan H wrote:
>
> > > >> The foundations of most of the religions are not that far apart.. it
> > is
> > > >> the interpretation of them that gets the idea screwed up.. It seems
> > > >> though that the creator places people that have a better link and can
> > > >> help straighten the cultures so there is hope as to maintain the
> > same
> > > >> ideas. so I think that there us a very real possibility that common
> > > >> ground is available.
>
> > > >> poking a nd prodding out of curiosity is to be expected it is called
> > > >> curiosity.
> > > >> Allan
>
> > > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
>
> > > >> On Oct 26, 2012 3:18 PM, "Lee Douglas" <leerevdoug...@gmail.com
> > > >> <mailto:leerevdoug...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > > >> Ohhh I don't know Andrew.
>
> > > >> As I have said we can of course speculate on all sorts of things
> > > >> about alien life, but seeing as we can only ever think about from
> > > >> our particular species POV, I question how useful such
> > speculation
> > > >> would be. I think the most logical deduction we could make is to
> > > >> say 'Well I really don't know', and that is indeed my line.
>
> > > >> Heh of course having said that and in the spirit of pure
> > > >> speculation, given that our current understanding of universal
> > > >> principles, and laws of physics etc.. seem to encompass the
> > totality
> > > >> of the universe, I do not think it incorrect to draw some
> > > >> speculative conclusions.
>
> > > >> Would alien lifeforms be carbon based as on our planet? I
> > > >> suspect probably yes, but there are reasons enough to suppose
> > > >> otherwise also.
>
> > > >> Would then non carbon life forms form different morality than
> > carbon
> > > >> based life forms? Umm well I'm going with 'I don't know' for
> > this
> > > >> one, as I lack an in depth understanding of neurology.
>
> > > >> As a theist who believes in a single creator God though I would
> > have
> > > >> to agree with Allan.
>
> > > >> A large part of my struggle is with the message of God. Trying
> > to
> > > >> recompense different religions with this single message is hard.
> > I
> > > >> try to imagine that all religions are valid and look for
> > > >> the similarities, I rather suspect as I grow I will have to claim
> > > >> that some are wholly false and man made whilst others are
> > > >> the direct message from God albeit fucked with by mankind for his
> > > >> own nefarious ends(Christianity for example). So then the job
> > > >> becomes separating the wheat from the chaff, as it were.
>
> > > >> How would intelligent alien life cope with God's message I
> > wonder,
> > > >> and would they be in the boat as we? Perhaps they have no idea of
> > a
> > > >> God at all? Or perhaps they may be the only beings who hold to
> > the
> > > >> truth? Ahhh once again, I'm forced to say I don't know.
>
> > > >> Let us endeavour to understand the other sentient creatures we
> > share
> > > >> this planet with first, then just maybe we can make better
> > educated
> > > >> guesses.
>
> > > >> Heh yes you can assume from that I am in favour of granting
> > > >> personhood upon those 'higher order' animals, enshrouded in law.
>
> > > >> On Friday, 26 October 2012 10:22:52 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
>
> > > >> I agree. Extra terrestrial visitors to earth would not be
> > > >> comparable to us. They would have different values and
> > morals.
> > > >> They would find all life sacred and would respect it, no
> > matter
> > > >> how depraved or primitive. Perhaps they were the ones who
> > seeded
> > > >> earth in the first place. They would probably recognize our
> > > >> weaknesses and would let us either survive to our next stage
> > or
> > > >> let us destroy ourselves.
>
> > > >> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:19:42 PM UTC+2, William L.
> > > >> Houts William L. Houts Lukaeon William L. Houts wrote:
>
> > > >> All right, I just wanted to run this by you guys. I know
> > it
> > > >> seems I'm
> > > >> always rattlling on about aliens, but they're really a
> > stand
> > > >> in for,
> > > >> well, for a lot of things. Anyway, I've been on Facebook
> > > >> and recently
> > > >> made a status report commenting on the conversation we
> > had
> > > >> going on here
> > > >> about hypothetical aliens and what they might or might
> > not
> > > >> want from
> > > >> us. And I was making the point that I made here: that
> > said
> > > >> aliens will
> > > >> turn out to be just as befuddled by it all as we are, and
> > > >> are probably
> > > >> in no position to give us the goods on life's mysteries,
> > or
> > > >> even make a
> > > >> good cocktail.
>
> > > >> Now, my friend Matt, who is very smart but also very
> > bitchy,
> > > >> put forth
> > > >> Professor Hawking's notion: that we'd better keep our
> > heads
> > > >> down low,
> > > >> because history tells us that when a more technologically
> > > >> advanced
> > > >> species meets a less developed one, the results are
> > usually
> > > >> horrible for
> > > >> the latter. I replied that yes, this does seem to be the
> > > >> pattern in
> > > >> Earth history. But, I went on, races which manage to
> > break
> > > >> the
> > > >> lightspeed barrier are going to have better things to do
> > > >> than enslave 7
> > > >> billion people, or even mistreat them very much. Their
> > > >> energy problems,
> > > >> I said more or less, will have been solved to such an
> > extent
> > > >> that they
> > > >> won't have to vampirize us. Matt made it clear that he
> > > >> thought I was
> > > >> being terrifically naive.
>
> > > >> Now, Mat is quickly becoming a sour old queen, but I want
> > to
> > > >> know: with
> > > >> whom would you agree? Or is there a third answer which I
> > > >> haven't
> > > >> proposed here?
>
> > > >> --Bill
>
> > > >> --
> > > >> "I just flew in from the Land of the Dead
> > > >> and boy are my arms tired."
>
> > > >> --
>
> > > >> --
>
> > > > --
>
> > > --
> > > (
> > > )
> > > |_D Allan
>
> > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > I am a Natural Airgunner -
>
> > > Full of Hot Air & Ready To
>
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