Re: Mind's Eye Re: Aliens, Slavery and Resources

You are all very sweet to wish me well but I am safely nestled in
America's belly. I will join your collective wishes for the east coast
as it is ruinous and very sad to track.//Catching up: the fall lawn
clean-up and cut backs were the best ever- hope the snow service is
the same later on. My daughter has scared me with visions of a sugar
plum Christmas she remembers from her childhood forgetting that she
has abscounded with most all the decorations- even to the cookie
cutters! We'll work it out. Have been getting bedrooms and kitchen in
gear for the holidays so there isn't a last minute rush/heart attack.
This house is a riot- but that is another topic. A couple invitations-
will go to one- a baby shower. Exit the momastery! And yes, Gabby, was
thinking of the warm sun during these cloudy days and cold nights. Saw
myself sitting in the desert- very strange. Love to all- be safe.

On Oct 30, 7:53 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, hope all is well for you rigsy.  In Detroit we have Sandy's wind and a
> bit of rain and sleet, but nothing like NYC.  thinking of you with love.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:20:35 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> > sounds like you are really going to be needing your snow guy Rigsy,,
> > heard WV had over a meter of snow fall  that must be a bitch.
> > Allan
>
> > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:56 PM, gabbydott <gabb...@gmail.com<javascript:>>
> > wrote:
> > > You see, Neil, that's exactly why I thought we have Rigsy write the
> > > abstract and make her come out of the kitchen after her snow guy had
> > > done his job. You have spoiled it all now!
>
> > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:25 AM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com<javascript:>>
> > wrote:
> > >> I've just become a paradigm case of Bill's "bored traveller" - long
> > >> weekend with an American friend in Rome looking at art entailing the
> > >> Vatican (which didn't spontaneously combust) - Bernini etc.  There was
> > >> a Hombeck on candle-light which will stick forever.  I got the
> > >> impression Bernini could do something in static stone that would give
> > >> the impression of a Jimmy Johnstone dribble (he was the best ever at
> > >> this spectacle, if not the most effective player in modern soccer
> > >> terms).  Couldn't get a coffee in the city that never sleeps at 3 a.m.
> > >> and ended-up in a Mcdonalds.  The place is a dreadful tourist rip-off
> > >> and a week would have bankrupted us.  Flight home was delayed by an
> > >> outbreak of Italian indolence and refusal to drive the bus to the
> > >> plane.  Airport full of disgruntled Americans delayed by Sandy.
> > >> Greece and Rome descend from slave economies and attitudes that work
> > >> scars the soul.
> > >> There was so much to see and it was so pleasant to walk I came home
> > >> hobbling on a blister.
>
> > >> Much biology is based on the economics of energy - we always seem to
> > >> want explanation in terms of why an organism would expend the energy
> > >> required to maintain an organ and so on.  Our brains and even memory
> > >> need justification in energy terms.  Much of my own interest in the
> > >> subject concerns desire to overcome its predestination - which these
> > >> days would be talked about through the notion of co-evolution and its
> > >> 'arms races'.  My own guess for a long time has been we need to
> > >> organise work differently - I favour a federal Europe (World) of a
> > >> free table with work as a shared obligation - but one always finds
> > >> such opinion has been held before - one example here would be the
> > >> Strasser brothers who organised the Nazis when Hitler came out of
> > >> jail.  Politically I tend to think we are stuck in the hands of a
> > >> rentier class much as in the inter-war years.
>
> > >> I think some UFO-dreaming could help us understand this and even Star
> > >> Trek touches the fringes.  We might, very un-art, start by wondering
> > >> who cleans the toilets on the Enterprise.
>
> > >> On 29 Oct, 19:02, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> The Golden Way out of deference? Yes, that's probably the meaning
> > >>> Molly is trying to convey. Thanks, Allan.
>
> > >>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>> > Gabby one of the major deference between me and christianity is I
> > see
> > >>> > God as what makes up my being,,  I do not see God as being else
> > where.
> > >>> > I am expected to live up to my beliefs not making excuses to justify
> > >>> > violating those rules.
> > >>> > Allan
>
> > >>> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:24 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>> >> Oh, hi Molly! Yes, it's true, I dared to read the bible on the same
> > >>> >> level as fairy tales. My Protestant nature, I guess. Going out,
> > >>> >> looking out, speaking out is part of that tradition too. What is it
> > in
> > >>> >> your life that makes you being different?
>
> > >>> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>> >>> Looking for God outside oneself can lead to magical gang gods at a
> > level
> > >>> >>> where only the fit and corrupt survive.  Many fairy tales are
> > imbued with
> > >>> >>> mystical thinking, including the bible.
>
> > >>> >>> On Monday, October 29, 2012 5:20:17 AM UTC-4, gabbydott wrote:
>
> > >>> >>>> I don't know why these far-away and up-above gods and godesses
> > never
> > >>> >>>> really made it into my heart. Maybe the down-to-earth fairy tales
> > >>> >>>> resembled my surroundings much more. It gives me the creeps when
> > >>> >>>> little street gangstas are referring to Nemesis and believe they
> > have
> > >>> >>>> got the key to the kingdom now.
>
> > >>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:35 AM, rigsy03 <rig...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>> >>>> > I pray to a God everyday but am not sure which one. He is male
> > and
> > >>> >>>> > seems helpful. Today he bolstered my strength rearranging some
> > >>> >>>> > furniture then rebolstered me moving stuff back as it was.
> > However, I
> > >>> >>>> > cooked a hearty meal of steak, potatoes and asparagus for
> > insurance.//
> > >>> >>>> > I think the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses represent human
> > nature
> > >>> >>>> > and traits- really provide some valuable insights for mere
> > mortals.
>
> > >>> >>>> > On Oct 28, 12:45 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> >>>> >> Ah Lee, by that time you would have forgotten where you were
> > coming
> > >>> >>>> >> from!
>
> > >>> >>>> >> I like monotheism, because it supports my view of myself as an
> > >>> >>>> >> individual. And it allows me to act upon it as such. I am
> > aware that I
> > >>> >>>> >> am a social being though. Polytheism would be able to account
> > for
> > >>> >>>> >> that, but would probably only confuse me.
>
> > >>> >>>> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Lee Douglas <
> > leerevdoug...@gmail.com>
> > >>> >>>> >> wrote:
> > >>> >>>> >> > Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction is also
> > true.
> > >>> >>>> >> > However
> > >>> >>>> >> > religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief.  As it is my
> > stance that we
> > >>> >>>> >> > all
> > >>> >>>> >> > hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it is a
> > wholly
> > >>> >>>> >> > human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it, only
> > time will
> > >>> >>>> >> > tell.
> > >>> >>>> >> > Just one of the reasons I want to reach at least 400 years
> > old.
>
> > >>> >>>> >> > On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52:50 PM UTC, rigsy03 wrote:
>
> > >>> >>>> >> >> Really? What about the Italian scientists who face prison
> > time for
> > >>> >>>> >> >> failing to predict the severity of an earthquake? What
> > harmony under
> > >>> >>>> >> >> the mantle of monotheism? Science and technology will make
> > god(s)
> > >>> >>>> >> >> obsolete and society can still be managed through various
> > value
> > >>> >>>> >> >> systems based on new realities and methods of control.
> > Presently, we
> > >>> >>>> >> >> are trying to integrate two oppositional positions which
> > accounts
> > >>> >>>> >> >> for
> > >>> >>>> >> >> a good amount of absurdity and disappointment. As extinct
> > creatures
> > >>> >>>> >> >> might have warned us, sentimentality is deadly.
>
> > >>> >>>> >> >> On Oct 28, 2:12 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > I really do not see much beyond monotheism  atheism holds
> > little
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > but
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > wishful madness, and as for polytheism the universes
> > would be
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > totally
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > different..   Just doesn't work.. You are right arrogance
> > is a
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > tremendous problem which I seriously doubt man will over
> > come..
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > those
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > that are arrogant have little reason to change.. It is
> > the
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > monotheism
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > that keeps some what harmony,,  the problems I see come
> > from man
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > changing the laws of God that have been handed down
> > through the
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > generations ..  It seems these changes are really
> > designed to
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > benefit
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > them and their goals.
>
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > without a singular God there would be no harmony even
> > with in
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > nature
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > and the predictability of science would disappear.
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > Allan
>
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, James <
> > ashkas...@gmail.com>
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > wrote:
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown
> > territory, we
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > have a
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > tendency to being destructive and careless. We must
> > evolve if we
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > wish
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > to
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles
> > heel
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > (arrogance).
>
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so
> > sure
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > monotheism is
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > for
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit
> > a niche
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > in
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > nature,
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > then further reconcile from that I think there is much
> > less to
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > say on
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > God
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so.
> > In the
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > sense of
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act
> > so to
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > speak.
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and
> > cultural
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > homogeneity
> > >>> >>>> >> >> > > (dare add monotheism) have
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