Re: Mind's Eye turning the world Greek

One might say, in politics, the way real argument is silenced is done
by argument itself - almost in the 'does he take sugar?' sense of our
treatment of disabled people. Methinks the lady does protest too much
is hardly new thinking and it's mostly women buying Fifty Shades of
Grey. Quite why anyone would want to base the notion a woman saying
no is teasing on pornography (or any of the idiot romance movies) or
other idols of gossip is beyond me. I feel much the same way about
the politics in which we insist on great leaders and economic
pathology. I wonder what the category of 'men' used by women like
Hornsby is - I never know what is going on in sexual encounter much
beyond wanting to exclude violence from it. I think economics would
benefit from this rule too.

On 6 Sep, 18:04, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jennifer Hornsby also deploys speech act theory to explain how
> pornography silences women. According to Hornsby, pornographic
> materials reinforce ideas about women that deprive their utterances of
> their ordinary illocutionary meaning (Hornsby 1995, 227). For example,
> pornographic works may convey the idea that the women which men find
> sexy are eager to satisfy their sexual appetites, so that when these
> women say "no," their utterance constitutes not an act of refusal but
> an act of teasing. In this way, pornography reinforces social codes
> that allow men to systematically misread and discount women's speech.
> Women may be silenced, then, not by having their speech suppressed but
> by changes to the background conditions necessary for successful
> speech acts, such as refusal. If pornography interferes with the
> ability of women to communicate, then women cannot contest the harm of
> pornography with more speech, but only by suppressing pornographic
> materials.
> Hornsby, J., 1995, "Speech Acts and Pornography," in The Problem of
> Pornography, S. Dwyer (ed.), Belmont, CA: Wadsworth Publishing
> Company.
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> Hegel was waffling on (Phenomenology of Spirit) about the social
> construction of self-awareness, as is the above.  Our cultural
> construction rarely satisfies me.  Type "scat sex" into Google and be
> appalled.  My own book explores rigsy's theme that sexual and
> financial politics are related more than we admit.  I tend to
> biological explanations and the idea we don't have to be constrained
> to them.  The moral issue seems to me to be about what one becomes in
> asking anyone else to be a slave.  I think we find this in teaching
> relationships where essays on content and process work motivation are
> set rather than allowing students to assess their own experience.
>  I've seen this captured in several Chinese films where the son wants
> to be an artist but the mother wants him to slave away doing the
> esoteric exams of the State bureaucracy.
> On 6 Sep, 17:24, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > We know pretty concretely now, rigsy, that psychopaths usually have
> > screwed communication between parts of the brain.  Everything seems
> > relational, but it's rare we see arguments that relate facts.  I
> > watched Clinton last night and he was awesome.  Yet how old was
> > Monica?  Who was responsible for the control fraud deregulation of
> > finance (etc)?
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> > Matt Stoller had this to say on the relations between Democrat
> > promises in 200 8 and reality.
> > #
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> > Here's a list of some of the broken promises from 2008.
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> > We will strengthen the ability of workers to organize unions and fight
> > to pass the Employee Free Choice Act.
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> > This did not happen. The labor law never passed.
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> > We will ensure that federal employees, including public safety
> > officers who put their lives on the line every day, have the right to
> > bargain collectively, and we will fix the broken bargaining process at
> > the Federal Aviation Administration.
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> > Nope.
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> > We will fight to ban the permanent replacement of striking workers, so
> > that workers can stand up for themselves without worrying about losing
> > their livelihoods.
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> > Nope.
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> > We will also ensure that every American worker is able earn up to
> > seven paid sick days to care for themselves or an ill family member.
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> > Nope.
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> > To help workers share in our country's productivity, we'll expand the
> > Earned Income Tax Credit, and raise the minimum wage and index it to
> > inflation.
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> > Didn't happen. And the minimum wage hike is actually in the 2012
> > platform, again.
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> > We will encourage diversity in the ownership of broadcast media,
> > promote the development of new media outlets for expression of diverse
> > viewpoints, and clarify the public interest obligations of
> > broadcasters who occupy the nation's spectrum.
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> > Well, Comcast did buy NBC.
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> > We will ensure that the foreclosure prevention program enacted by
> > Congress is implemented quickly and effectively so that at-risk
> > homeowners can get help and hopefully stay in their homes. We will
> > work to reform bankruptcy laws to restore balance between lender and
> > homeowner rights.
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> > Larry Summers and Tim Geithner opposed cramdown, so it didn't happen.
> > And I think it's safe to say that foreclosure prevention was not a
> > priority for this administration.
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> > We will work with Canada and Mexico to amend the North American Free
> > Trade Agreement so that it works better for all three North American
> > countries.
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> > Nope.
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> > We will put all non-emergency bills that Congress has passed online
> > for five days, to allow the American public to review and comment on
> > them before they are signed into law.
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> > Nope.
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> > We will require Cabinet officials to have periodic national online
> > town hall meetings to discuss issues before their agencies.
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> > Nope.
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> > We reject illegal wiretapping of American citizens, wherever they
> > live.
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> > "Obama Fights to Retain Warrantless Wiretapping".
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> > We reject the use of national security letters to spy on citizens who
> > are not suspected of a crime.
> > Nope.
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> > We reject the tracking of citizens who do nothing more than protest a
> > misguided war.
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> > Nope.
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> > We reject sweeping claims of "inherent" presidential power.
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> > Nope.
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> > And we will ensure that law-abiding Americans of any origin, including
> > Arab-Americans and Muslim- Americans, do not become the scapegoats of
> > national security fears.
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> > Nope.
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> > We will respect the time-honored principle of habeas corpus, the seven
> > century-old right of individuals to challenge the terms of their own
> > detention that was recently reaffirmed by our Supreme Court.
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> > Nope.
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> > These aren't just broken promises, these are all broken promises that
> > have to do with the economic and political rights of the relatively
> > powerless. Privacy, union rights, debtor's rights, activist rights,
> > etc – they were promised tangible stuff, and didn't get it. It looks
> > like the Obama campaign will get a bounce from the convention, because
> > the convention is well-organized and a good show. Just recognize that
> > this show in 2008 had nothing to do with the ultimate policy that was
> > enacted, and it's likely that the 2012 convention will see a similar
> > outcome.
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> > I paste this as someone ho thinks the GOP is lunatic - less than 5% of
> > scientists vote Republican.  Labour in the UK is as bad as Obama-
> > Clinton.  I think what I meant by turning Greek is the shattering of
> > the labour-spread of wealth compact and the debasing of non-elite
> > freedoms.  I was never a close reader of Hegel - some awful dross on
> > seven as 'god's magic number' put me off.  The big idea is history
> > teaches us something - but the question of what history is the real
> > problem, just as any focus on language is meaningless without
> > awareness of how much of it is deception and compromise.  I was a
> > union man as an academic, but always despised the self-interested
> > focus.
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> > The biggest 'unions' today are professional groups like banksters,
> > lawyers, doctors and accountants.  An old Spanish poet and philosopher
> > Ortega Y Gassett once said Nazism reversed persuasion - coercion -
> > violence and what facilitates this is debasing points of resistance
> > like unions and worker solidarity.  I can no more be pro old fashioned
> > unions (or their professional equivalents) than pro abortion, but I
> > can believe in proper representation of all decent rights and a
> > woman's choice.
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> > Exposing workers to Chinese serf wages is not an economic answer to
> > anything and I suspect its based in hatred.  Liberalism often seems to
> > pussy-footing to me (though our female cat has a habit of seizing my
> > hand in claws as she is smoothed to apparent ecstasy) in respect of
> > justice.  In test-tube baby work, they may fertilise 6 eggs in vitro.
> > Only two can be chosen for implant (I'm not sure this is law,
> > resourcing or both).  Ask yourself which eggs you would choose if you
> > knew 4 of them likely to develop painful disability?  There is no
> > complete answer, but in practice I'm going to choose the healthier
> > suspects.  My guess is we face something similar in labour
> > organisation and reward/benefits - we evade the real issues in favour
> > of cracker-barrel ideologies - the social theory of disability being
> > the example in moral choice in the in-vitro conundrum.  There are hard
> > choices.
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> > Read more athttp://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/09/broken-democratic-platform-pro...
> > On 6 Sep, 14:13, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > How does a Hegelian relationship between unequals figure into this?
> > > Dug out an interview with Elfriede Jelinek though I haven't read her
> > > books. <http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/21/magazine/21QUESTIONS.html>
> > > Sexual and financial politics are probably related more than we
> > > admit.//Anyway, I really do try to keep an "open mind" (though is can
> > > get drafty, at times) so it was good to read you think I try for the
> > > happy medium. There may be too much information stored in the wrong
> > > compartments!
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> > > On Sep 5, 12:27 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > There are many calls for a fresh start.
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> > > > "Sadly, in this banana republic which employs such banana agencies as
> > > > the SEC to do the bidding of the banana elite that matters: not
> > > > democrats, not republicans, but Wall Street's banks full of money
> > > > (most of it from the trillions in 2008/9 taxpayer funded bailouts),
> > > > nothing will ever change, until the next and final crash wipes out
> > > > everything with it and forces the system to start afresh. Only by
> > > > eliminating the status quo, its insidious tentacles, and the enture
> > > > existing generation of corrupt, criminal, co-opted regulators, can
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