Re: Mind's Eye turning the world Greek

I would hate to have anyone get the idea that I was referring to
psychopathy. (Must I use a :-)?). There are positive and negative
"compartments" that we use for many different reasons. Facts and logic
are parts, certainly.

One could see the feminine as the weak- in political and economic
terms. I must have remembered Hegel's influence upon Marx though it
has been a very long time since those readings and courses. I still
have the books- the pages have yellowed and the print grown smaller.
Odd how our books are doing a slow burn...

Well, Clinton and Obama both employ the speech tactics of preachers
but if I want a sermon I can go to church. Maybe that's what you mean
by "awesome".

Though it has popped up before, we are engaged in a struggle between
capitalism/individual rights and socialism/welfare state/government
control. But you know that. :-)



On Sep 6, 11:24 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We know pretty concretely now, rigsy, that psychopaths usually have
> screwed communication between parts of the brain.  Everything seems
> relational, but it's rare we see arguments that relate facts.  I
> watched Clinton last night and he was awesome.  Yet how old was
> Monica?  Who was responsible for the control fraud deregulation of
> finance (etc)?
>
> Matt Stoller had this to say on the relations between Democrat
> promises in 200 8 and reality.
> #
>
> Here's a list of some of the broken promises from 2008.
>
> We will strengthen the ability of workers to organize unions and fight
> to pass the Employee Free Choice Act.
>
> This did not happen. The labor law never passed.
>
> We will ensure that federal employees, including public safety
> officers who put their lives on the line every day, have the right to
> bargain collectively, and we will fix the broken bargaining process at
> the Federal Aviation Administration.
>
> Nope.
>
> We will fight to ban the permanent replacement of striking workers, so
> that workers can stand up for themselves without worrying about losing
> their livelihoods.
>
> Nope.
>
> We will also ensure that every American worker is able earn up to
> seven paid sick days to care for themselves or an ill family member.
>
> Nope.
>
> To help workers share in our country's productivity, we'll expand the
> Earned Income Tax Credit, and raise the minimum wage and index it to
> inflation.
>
> Didn't happen. And the minimum wage hike is actually in the 2012
> platform, again.
>
> We will encourage diversity in the ownership of broadcast media,
> promote the development of new media outlets for expression of diverse
> viewpoints, and clarify the public interest obligations of
> broadcasters who occupy the nation's spectrum.
>
> Well, Comcast did buy NBC.
>
> We will ensure that the foreclosure prevention program enacted by
> Congress is implemented quickly and effectively so that at-risk
> homeowners can get help and hopefully stay in their homes. We will
> work to reform bankruptcy laws to restore balance between lender and
> homeowner rights.
>
> Larry Summers and Tim Geithner opposed cramdown, so it didn't happen.
> And I think it's safe to say that foreclosure prevention was not a
> priority for this administration.
>
> We will work with Canada and Mexico to amend the North American Free
> Trade Agreement so that it works better for all three North American
> countries.
>
> Nope.
>
> We will put all non-emergency bills that Congress has passed online
> for five days, to allow the American public to review and comment on
> them before they are signed into law.
>
> Nope.
>
> We will require Cabinet officials to have periodic national online
> town hall meetings to discuss issues before their agencies.
>
> Nope.
>
> We reject illegal wiretapping of American citizens, wherever they
> live.
>
> "Obama Fights to Retain Warrantless Wiretapping".
>
> We reject the use of national security letters to spy on citizens who
> are not suspected of a crime.
> Nope.
>
> We reject the tracking of citizens who do nothing more than protest a
> misguided war.
>
> Nope.
>
> We reject sweeping claims of "inherent" presidential power.
>
> Nope.
>
> And we will ensure that law-abiding Americans of any origin, including
> Arab-Americans and Muslim- Americans, do not become the scapegoats of
> national security fears.
>
> Nope.
>
> We will respect the time-honored principle of habeas corpus, the seven
> century-old right of individuals to challenge the terms of their own
> detention that was recently reaffirmed by our Supreme Court.
>
> Nope.
>
> These aren't just broken promises, these are all broken promises that
> have to do with the economic and political rights of the relatively
> powerless. Privacy, union rights, debtor's rights, activist rights,
> etc – they were promised tangible stuff, and didn't get it. It looks
> like the Obama campaign will get a bounce from the convention, because
> the convention is well-organized and a good show. Just recognize that
> this show in 2008 had nothing to do with the ultimate policy that was
> enacted, and it's likely that the 2012 convention will see a similar
> outcome.
>
> I paste this as someone ho thinks the GOP is lunatic - less than 5% of
> scientists vote Republican.  Labour in the UK is as bad as Obama-
> Clinton.  I think what I meant by turning Greek is the shattering of
> the labour-spread of wealth compact and the debasing of non-elite
> freedoms.  I was never a close reader of Hegel - some awful dross on
> seven as 'god's magic number' put me off.  The big idea is history
> teaches us something - but the question of what history is the real
> problem, just as any focus on language is meaningless without
> awareness of how much of it is deception and compromise.  I was a
> union man as an academic, but always despised the self-interested
> focus.
>
> The biggest 'unions' today are professional groups like banksters,
> lawyers, doctors and accountants.  An old Spanish poet and philosopher
> Ortega Y Gassett once said Nazism reversed persuasion - coercion -
> violence and what facilitates this is debasing points of resistance
> like unions and worker solidarity.  I can no more be pro old fashioned
> unions (or their professional equivalents) than pro abortion, but I
> can believe in proper representation of all decent rights and a
> woman's choice.
>
> Exposing workers to Chinese serf wages is not an economic answer to
> anything and I suspect its based in hatred.  Liberalism often seems to
> pussy-footing to me (though our female cat has a habit of seizing my
> hand in claws as she is smoothed to apparent ecstasy) in respect of
> justice.  In test-tube baby work, they may fertilise 6 eggs in vitro.
> Only two can be chosen for implant (I'm not sure this is law,
> resourcing or both).  Ask yourself which eggs you would choose if you
> knew 4 of them likely to develop painful disability?  There is no
> complete answer, but in practice I'm going to choose the healthier
> suspects.  My guess is we face something similar in labour
> organisation and reward/benefits - we evade the real issues in favour
> of cracker-barrel ideologies - the social theory of disability being
> the example in moral choice in the in-vitro conundrum.  There are hard
> choices.
>
> Read more athttp://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/09/broken-democratic-platform-pro...
> On 6 Sep, 14:13, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > How does a Hegelian relationship between unequals figure into this?
> > Dug out an interview with Elfriede Jelinek though I haven't read her
> > books. <http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/21/magazine/21QUESTIONS.html>
> > Sexual and financial politics are probably related more than we
> > admit.//Anyway, I really do try to keep an "open mind" (though is can
> > get drafty, at times) so it was good to read you think I try for the
> > happy medium. There may be too much information stored in the wrong
> > compartments!
>
> > On Sep 5, 12:27 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > There are many calls for a fresh start.
>
> > > "Sadly, in this banana republic which employs such banana agencies as
> > > the SEC to do the bidding of the banana elite that matters: not
> > > democrats, not republicans, but Wall Street's banks full of money
> > > (most of it from the trillions in 2008/9 taxpayer funded bailouts),
> > > nothing will ever change, until the next and final crash wipes out
> > > everything with it and forces the system to start afresh. Only by
> > > eliminating the status quo, its insidious tentacles, and the enture
> > > existing generation of corrupt, criminal, co-opted regulators, can
> > > there be a chance to restore some semblance of fair and efficient
> > > markets.
>
> > > Until then, enjoy the farce of the broken Wall Street casino until
> > > trading volumes finally hit zero. It won't be long. At that point it
> > > will be too late"
>
> > > This particular one is from the libertarian end (Zerohedge) - the
> > > people who want capitalism back.  The 'left' tends to agree.  I tend
> > > to think such 'answers' are right on the assumptions of corruption but
> > > lack grasp of what being human could be about.  We have little clue
> > > about such matters as how much work we need to do to sensibly maintain
> > > the collective and individual freedom.  Instead, we have ideologies
> > > like work ethic and entrepreneurial innovation.  In more than 2000
> > > years since the Athenian Democracy we have come up with little that
> > > prevents wealth buying votes and securing a place at the rarefied free
> > > table for only a few.
>
> > > Wittgenstein pointed out that philosophers discuss much the same old
> > > rot as Plato and hence a turn to how language bewitches us is needed.
> > > Actually, Plato made a similar point and Francis Bacon's Idols are a
> > > classic example.  In a way were are bewitched by lies and lying makes
> > > language almost impenetrable.  We are essentially animal and my own
> > > guess is that we lack much understanding of this and the extended
> > > phenotype.  We don't think animal hierarchies are the result of social
> > > planning and I guess we don't understand much about how our own come
> > > about.  Communism had a classic contradiction in centralising wealth
> > > as state capitalism and its Utopian statement that the state would
> > > wither away.
>
> > > Rigsy talks fairly often about a happy medium and I often think of
> > > this as a spreadsheet - though my background with them goes back to
> > > chemistry and statistical process control rather than finance.  Most
> > > of us a familiar with simple experiments like heating stuff in a test-
> > > tube with a Bunsen.  In more complex processes we often want to
> > > control ten variables to get the outcome we want.  Financial systems
> > > that leave the one percenters with nearly all the product of effort
> > > remind me of out of control experiments or
>
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