Re: Mind's Eye turning the world Greek

Wasn't the Dark Lady a young bloke?

I think we know that the answer has to do with a fair work deal and
cutting corruption. I'm not sure we understand how disruptive the
rich are and the extent of modern fealty relations. We need to stop
all the hard work nonsense without giving up to free-loaders and
criminals. Race to the bottom competition is the big problem.

On 7 Sep, 11:50, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am missing +Molly in this thread here. Molly, what do YOU think, the
> language that the world is talking in is turning into? How much more
> does the image of Clinton and Obama embracing each other count
> compared to all the nope-facts that have been listed here? Ain't that
> a show with the quality of Shakespearian dramaturgy, being able to
> keep the Dark Lady at bay? Connectivism yes, with the right
> connectors? Do you see where I see you coming in?
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> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:45 AM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Wonderful to see the old crew at work talking about something I'm
> > hugely interested in. I can't wait to read your book archy. Be sure to
> > set up a website so you can sell signed copies. I'm going to be all
> > over it.
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> > My aunt and uncle were just in London recently and I told them "to
> > avoid the chavs." Youngsters here are pretty much the same. Just read
> > a bio on George Washington and it was amusing to read some of his
> > letters to his adoptive son's school master and others bemoaning his
> > charge's lack of ambition and disgusting personal conduct. The more
> > things change the more us humans never do. I, of course, was a model
> > adolescent that never got into trouble. Ahem.
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> > I've been focused on my country's choice of leader of late.
> > Conventions and what not. Folks talking alot and saying less then
> > nothing except basically "My opponent sucks ass." Well, they have
> > others do it for them but it's the same.
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> > Yeah, y'all are stuck with the dollar. I know it gives us the
> > advantage in some respects but if the trend of downsizing our military
> > continues I suspect Fran's more pessimistic fears may come to pass.
> > This is in no ones best interest except the crazy Anarchists. The
> > eternal optimist in me suspects that with a little government show or
> > restraint(stop hemmorhaging my hard earned cash) folks(including the
> > much maligned .01 percenters) will be more willing to pay up to start
> > paying down the debt. We don't need another Terror. No thank you. I
> > happen to really like most rich people and would prefer to not see
> > thier heads removed from their bodies.
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> > As usual I read nothing in your posts about the problems we face that
> > I disagree with. It's only when we talk about solutions that we
> > differ. I see massive fraud here in the USA. Everybody wants their
> > turn on the tit and those that have been on the longest are the
> > hardest to drag off. Incidentally I just watched Cinderella Man about
> > John Braddock's heavy weight fight. This was back in the Depression
> > when folks were shamed about taking public asistance. Now, folks brag
> > about how much they get. The Culture has changed somewhat and short of
> > censorship(which I hate) I haven't a clue how to fix it.
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> > I hope to find some time Sunday to delve into this topic further and
> > perhaps be more careful to spell better(no speel check) and not
> > over-use parenthisis. I was a lazy child in English class.
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> > dj
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> > On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:20 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> The problem is that once the government or the rulers gain control of
> >> money, it progressively ceases to be a medium of exchange and becomes
> >> a medium of control. That impinges on the functioning of markets which
> >> in turn impinges on the maintenance of property rights. Thus, we come
> >> full circle from a free society to a command society. There has never
> >> been any shortage of those who want to rule. The problem has always
> >> been with the vast majority who are content to be ruled. Today's
> >> global outcry for the manufacturing of more and more "money" out of
> >> thin air is an eloquent testimony. It shows that most people have no
> >> understanding of freedom, markets or money. Lacking such understanding
> >> - and having no desire to gain it - most people have accepted
> >> government as their masters.
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> >> As Robert Heinlein stated the problem - it is impossible to free a
> >> serf or a slave. He or she must free themselves and most are much more
> >> terrified of that prospect than they are resentful of being ruled.
> >> Sometimes Gabbers sounds like one of those women who sit around
> >> looking pretty John Cheever used to write about.  I know she isn't, a
> >> matter for taking either way and one end against the other.  The
> >> Germans have no sense of humour we Anglo-Saxons can understand because
> >> it just isn't funny kind thing.  I too am part post-modern text
> >> engine.  Did you know we are probably 'related' Gabs?  A whole pile of
> >> your guys invaded Scotland with farming about 3000 years ago.  It
> >> seems the Germans are responsible not only for bad opera and the
> >> interminable Mahler, but also porridge.
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> >> The blueberry pie is spot on rigsy - even if you give me the recipe
> >> I'll probably foul-up the cooking.  Much complexity in maths comes
> >> down to formulating the sum so we can count - the modern solution to
> >> Fermat's last theorem is an example, however cunning. My suspicion is
> >> there is no pie to bake with the arguments about.  Wittgenstein used
> >> to take apparently very different arguments and show they were based
> >> on what in my everyday I'd call the same shit.  No doubt some would
> >> prefer 'root metaphor'.  This is merely an application of set theory,
> >> and eventually leads to the notion the universe is just the history of
> >> an electron over time, or Barthes' idea text is all about seduction.
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> >> My suspicion is we are lost in world-views of the slave and serf -
> >> though I don't end up as a libertarian.  Most people don't work very
> >> hard.  Otherwise my novel will sell in millions (it's finally at the
> >> agent's - friends will be able to download it free at some point).
> >> Most people, in academic terms, can't "read".  Even I don't do
> >> 'misucation'!  Though I note it may be more descriptive than ejucation
> >> on the forced processes of childhood. I don't just think money has
> >> become the means of control - the whole process of making argument
> >> accessible to only a few is part of that spreadsheet.
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> >> Trying to get people to do things as a manager or teacher often left
> >> me feeling it is cruel to have to do such work unarmed.  These days I
> >> think we'd be better off with a less gruesome system than money-
> >> misucation that kills and impoverishes in millions to deal with
> >> laziness.  Anyone else hate teenagers?  They are lazy, dirty, loud,
> >> littering scum.  I even had to take my grandson and his two mates to
> >> Blackpool Pleasure Beach - the notion of just going on the train was
> >> beyond them.  We even have to force people to be clean.  No amount of
> >> soldierly ear-wax is going to stop me getting a hygiene message
> >> thought of someone I have to share the intimacy of a tank with.
> >> Deontological liberalism won't do Gabby.
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> >> On 3 Sep, 13:09, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> People being too taken up with survival and 'homeward mobility' to
> >>> want to listen to the wise men's advises and sermons coined the
> >>> corresponding German idiom which literally translates: To understand
> >>> only train station
> >>> (http://german.about.com/od/idiomsandproverbs/a/German-Expression-Nur-...).
> >>> German WW I soldiers did the Odysseus thing and put wax in their ears.
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> >>> Now, what exactly do you have to do in order to not mistake the
> >>> messenger for his message? You need to know how the distillation
> >>> process works! Repeating or pushing up what the seemingly best has
> >>> said and loading it up with your own history only fosters the
> >>> development of the fool's gold production technique.
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> >>> If you use fear as a transport means for your message instead of using
> >>> it as a catalyst for progress, I'd call this a systemic misucation of
> >>> fear that you are propagating. The system is rotting, let's rot the
> >>> next!
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> >>> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > Neil, 'many likes' and 'much love' ... for bringing this crux to focus.
> >>> > Fran, you hit it on the head about our times.
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> >>> > Maybe, Don will take it forward with his passionate disputation.
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> >>> > The puppeteers have "unlocked" the value, they say.
> >>> > Means, people have been effectively harnessed into the system which reaps
> >>> > the 'value' they create in a high-GINI hierarchical structure, in which too
> >>> > they are made to pay for their needs at costs that leave them poor. Except
> >>> > for the smart few who agree to actions they might be indicted by law for or
> >>> > stoned to gore by the people !
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> >>> > The whole of education serves to provide an inexhaustible stream of such
> >>> > 'whizkids.' The entire environment is made subtly captive with massive
> >>> > obfuscation of meaning, PR, propaganda, paid media and editorials,
> >>> > legislatures and senates, and 'iconic' bizwigs.
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> >>> > And people... remember, most of them are too taken up with survival and
> >>> > 'upward mobility' !
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> >>> > On Saturday, September 1, 2012 8:03:18 PM UTC+5:30, frantheman wrote:
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> >>> >> It's a rigged game, Neil, with rigged rules, from beginning to end. One of
> >>> >> the excellent points made by Graeber is how little of that which is really
> >>> >> important to us in life lets itself be quantified in monetary/economic
> >>> >> terms; things like love, honesty, beauty, trust. Trust ... ? The strange
> >>> >> thing is that any monetary system is based on trust - yet what exemplifies
> >>> >> the current financial roulette systems which dominate the global and
> >>> >> national "markets" is a complete lack of trust. He who trusts will be
> >>> >> conned.
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> >>> >> The system is rotten, played to the advantage of the 1% (or the 0.001%
> >>> >> globally). Unfortunately we are all caught up in it, are dependent on it,
> >>> >> suffer from it (or even - in the case of those of us living in the rich
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