Re: Mind's Eye Re: sexual orientation

Hope I understand your intent.

Mothers are our first teachers. (Unless she dies in childbirth.)

"Uncle Tom's Cabin" sparked a radical change.

Didn't society try to mind their own business re aids?

On Sep 13, 5:44 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mothers and novelists? The others keep on minding their own business.
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> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:24 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I rather agree with Vam.  We need to know people are sprung
> > differently, but after that, who cares.
>
> > On 13 Sep, 08:55, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Vam according to the kamasutra  there is no such thing as exsex. I mean
> >> excess,
> >> Allan
>
> >> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I recall loving Henry Miller's accounts [ or was it Norman Mailer ? ] but
> >> > not because he was having food or sex 24/7 ! It was the remarkably upfront
> >> > tale of vitality that was highly empowering ... a thorough eye-opener to
> >> > someone who was yet "erring" on the side of excess.
>
> >> > On Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:47:23 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
>
> >> >> Man can make a choice also- and be honest about it. It does take
> >> >> humans a long time to mature.
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> >> >> On Sep 12, 12:37 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > The only point about sexual orientation is the negative attitude people
> >> >> > have to anything not their own. Take that away, in curative sense, and
> >> >> the
> >> >> > topic is not worth a minute of my attention.
>
> >> >> > It's the same with sex and food. Be done with, whichever way you will.
> >> >> In
> >> >> > media, however, there are many who insist on keeping it as their only
> >> >> > priority ... as hogs would ! That's when I conclude that the man has
> >> >> not
> >> >> > evolved.
>
> >> >> > On Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:30:13 AM UTC+5:30, archytas wrote:
>
> >> >> > > I'd add that ADMASS culture doesn't help any of this.
> >> >> > > And that I have no wish to live forever Al.  It would be good not to
> >> >> > > look back on most of it as a waste of time though!  Had an enjoyable
> >> >> > > chat about that with two former teachers last week.  Their biggest
> >> >> > > grins came when they discovered I'd missed out on the early
> >> >> retirement
> >> >> > > scheme because I was five years younger than them.
>
> >> >> > > On 11 Sep, 08:58, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > > > How old did you say you want to get to:
> >> >> > > > Allan
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> >> >> > > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:48 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > > > > The guess is 4 million switches and they may work in multiple
> >> >> > > > > combination.
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> >> >> > > > > On 10 Sep, 20:15, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > > > > > I was reading the other day that the genetic code is far more
> >> >> active
> >> >> > > than
> >> >> > > > > > it was ever believed and that the genetic code is active
> >> >> through out
> >> >> > > your
> >> >> > > > > > entire life. they are looking into how to flip the genetic
> >> >> switches
> >> >> > > for
> >> >> > > > > > everything from diabetes through cancer and other human
> >> >> ailments.
>
> >> >> > > > > > The genetic code is no longer restricted to that of our birth
> >> >> > > > > > Allan
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> >> >> > > > > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:30 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> > > > > > > I think the hope is to optimise away from being so boring on
> >> >> the
> >> >> > > issue
> >> >> > > > > > > of sexual orientation as gay, bi, lesbian and straight.  Only
> >> >> > > > > > > godswank  prejudice could ever have led us to be bothered.
> >> >> > > > > > > Orientation towards violent, predatory and exploitative sex
> >> >> does
> >> >> > > seem
> >> >> > > > > > > worthy of consideration and there is sadly plenty of it.  I
> >> >> > > suspect
> >> >> > > > > > > this pathology is the model for our political economy.
>
> >> >> > > > > > > I can sympathise with being Molly - Heidegger tortured it
> >> >> death.
> >> >> > >  I
> >> >> > > > > > > came across a paedophile case recently in which the
> >> >> perpetrator
> >> >> > > had a
> >> >> > > > > > > brain tumour.  Once removed the behaviour disappeared.  The
> >> >> > > scalpel
> >> >> > > > > > > saved him rather than introspection.  I agree, of course,
> >> >> that we
> >> >> > > need
> >> >> > > > > > > more reflection on what we can be and how to live.  If life
> >> >> as we
> >> >> > > know
> >> >> > > > > > > it (Jim) was a holiday destination, I wouldn't be coming
> >> >> back.
>
> >> >> > > > > > > Women (as in cosmetic adverts) make me sick, as would anyone
> >> >> > > attracted
> >> >> > > > > > > to Marks and Spencer by its latest clothes-horse marketing.
> >> >>  It
> >> >> > > seems
> >> >> > > > > > > I have little orientation towards bimboism.  Anthropology
> >> >> gives us
> >> >> > > > > > > reason to suppose sexuality is culturally manufactured in
> >> >> large
> >> >> > > > > > > degree.  I suspect we don't think very clearly about it
>
> >> >> > > > > > > Much as I don't like rules, I think we can value them in
> >> >> minimal
> >> >> > > > > > > form.  I'd guess one we're missing on sexuality is its use in
> >> >> > > > > > > distraction, much like religious rituals.  I have to say,
> >> >> Gabs,
> >> >> > > that
> >> >> > > > > > > the sexuality of any offspring would be of less concern to me
> >> >> than
> >> >> > > > > > > general health - thus no doubt making be ableist against the
> >> >> > > social
> >> >> > > > > > > model of disability.  One might ponder whether one would
> >> >> prefer a
> >> >> > > > > > > child to carry potential to be a fast-bowling all rounder or
> >> >> born
> >> >> > > > > > > straight (no contest for me).  The Italian aristocracy model
> >> >> from
> >> >> > > the
> >> >> > > > > > > 17th century was essentially gay - women were just breeding
> >> >> > > machines.
> >> >> > > > > > > I am not an aristocrat and, having watched England thrash the
> >> >> West
> >> >> > > > > > > Indies in women's cricket, am a little sad I'm too old to
> >> >> make a
> >> >> > > fool
> >> >> > > > > > > of myself with the whole eleven.
>
> >> >> > > > > > > On 10 Sep, 16:33, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > > > > > > > This translates that there is hope for mankind to be able
> >> >> to
> >> >> > > optimize
> >> >> > > > > > > > their offspring's sexual orientation to the desired one. An
> >> >> old
> >> >> > > > > > > > belief.
>
> >> >> > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com>
>
> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> > > > > > > > > I'd say that genes only rule rationality when rationality
> >> >> or
> >> >> > > "mind"
> >> >> > > > > > > rules
> >> >> > > > > > > > > being.  A quiet mind opens endless possibility.
> >> >>  Epigenetics
> >> >> > > is
> >> >> > > > > > > changing the
> >> >> > > > > > > > > paradigm as we find our genetic code in flux and
> >> >> responsive to
> >> >> > > our
> >> >> > > > > > > internal
> >> >> > > > > > > > > environment.  Twins separated at birth match their
> >> >> adoptive
> >> >> > > parents
> >> >> > > > > > > genetic
> >> >> > > > > > > > > code more than their biological.  All quite fascinating.
>
> >> >> > > > > > > > > On Monday, September 10, 2012 7:35:52 AM UTC-4, archytas
> >> >> > > wrote:
>
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> I watched some gorillas on television a couple of days
> >> >> back.
> >> >> > >  An
> >> >> > > > > all
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> male group were practising homosexuality, but then the
> >> >> women
> >> >> > > > > moved in
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> and they reverted to straight.  The alpha appeared to
> >> >> > > dominate the
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> sex, but in fact the others got on with life behind his
> >> >> back.
> >> >> > >  All
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> very human.  A couple of weeks back I had a bit of a
> >> >> blow out
> >> >> > > > > down the
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> pub.  I was accused by a psycho of fancying his wife -
> >> >> all
> >> >> > > very
> >> >> > > > > ape.
>
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> I find sexual orientation pretty boring.  I still get
> >> >> the
> >> >> > > smarts
> >> >> > > > > from
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> time to time, but find sex as commercially presented
> >> >> dull.
> >> >> > >  I'd
> >> >> > > > > say
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> each to his or her own if my old job hadn't exposed me
> >> >> to
> >> >> > > utter
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> perversion.  I have a mate into bondage and pain and
> >> >> that's
> >> >> > > his
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> business.  I can't say the same about sex tourism and
> >> >> child
> >> >> > > abuse
> >> >> > > > > such
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> as getting sex from young kids by giving them mobile
> >> >> phones.
> >> >> > >  Most
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> cultures have abusive sex rings and weird rituals.  I
> >> >> have a
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> particular disdain for men in skirts waiving incense,
> >> >> > > pretending
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> holiness and abusing kids.
>
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> I'm a cuddly sort under whatever enigma I present or is
> >> >> (more
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> accurately I think) perceived by others.  Derrida had it
> >> >> > > somewhere
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> that the pen scratching paper is violence.  My favourite
> >> >> > > sports
> >> >> > > > > are
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> violent (cricket and rugby).  Sex itself is somewhat
> >> >> more
> >> >> > > violent
> >> >> > > > > than
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> scratching paper with a nib, though our ludic gasps are
> >> >> not
> >> >> > > > > usually
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> about pain.
>
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> I'm not at all sure sexual orientation is about
> >> >> straight,
> >> >> > > gay,
> >> >> > > > > lesbian
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> and so on.  Sue's dog has a thing  for my duffle-coat,
> >> >> > > teenage
> >> >> > > > > legs as
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> he approaches 'maturity' and is devoted to our female
> >> >> cat.
> >> >> > >  What
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> consenting people do between themselves is generally of
> >> >> no
> >> >> > > > > account,
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> though the taboos we have on age and incest are about
> >> >> right.
>
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> Genetically, we are close to not needing sexual
> >> >> relations for
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> reproduction - either sex can, in principle, reproduce
> >> >> > > without the
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> other, and again in principle, we could build the 'next
> >> >> > > model'
> >> >> > > > > from
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> chemical constituents.
>
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> I suspect our economic affairs are little more than some
> >> >> > > > > sublimated
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> ape genetics.  I'm interested in how gang-rape and abuse
> >> >> > > cultures
> >> >> > > > > come
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> about in an attempt to understand how a sexual
> >> >> orientation
> >> >> > > > > infringes
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> emancipation and consenting mutuality - and how we might
> >> >> live
> >> >> > > > > free of
> >> >> > > > > > > > >> the domination of genes over rationality (itself
> >> >> somewhat
> >> >> > > > > > > gene-driven).
>
> >> >> > > > > > > > > --
>
> >> >> > > > > > > --
>
> >> >> > > > > > --
> >> >> > > > > >  (
> >> >> > > > > >   )
> >> >> > > > > > |_D Allan
>
> >> >> > > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful
>
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