Re: Mind's Eye Re: sexual orientation

That's funny, Allan, but a "cougar" stalks younger men.

On Sep 11, 4:29 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Now your true colors are showing Rigsy, you sky cougar you.
> Allan
>  On Sep 11, 2012 5:07 AM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > I'm content. Andy Murray won the US Open. His legs won it. :-)
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> > On Sep 10, 11:30 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I think the hope is to optimise away from being so boring on the issue
> > > of sexual orientation as gay, bi, lesbian and straight.  Only
> > > godswank  prejudice could ever have led us to be bothered.
> > > Orientation towards violent, predatory and exploitative sex does seem
> > > worthy of consideration and there is sadly plenty of it.  I suspect
> > > this pathology is the model for our political economy.
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> > > I can sympathise with being Molly - Heidegger tortured it death.  I
> > > came across a paedophile case recently in which the perpetrator had a
> > > brain tumour.  Once removed the behaviour disappeared.  The scalpel
> > > saved him rather than introspection.  I agree, of course, that we need
> > > more reflection on what we can be and how to live.  If life as we know
> > > it (Jim) was a holiday destination, I wouldn't be coming back.
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> > > Women (as in cosmetic adverts) make me sick, as would anyone attracted
> > > to Marks and Spencer by its latest clothes-horse marketing.  It seems
> > > I have little orientation towards bimboism.  Anthropology gives us
> > > reason to suppose sexuality is culturally manufactured in large
> > > degree.  I suspect we don't think very clearly about it
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> > > Much as I don't like rules, I think we can value them in minimal
> > > form.  I'd guess one we're missing on sexuality is its use in
> > > distraction, much like religious rituals.  I have to say, Gabs, that
> > > the sexuality of any offspring would be of less concern to me than
> > > general health - thus no doubt making be ableist against the social
> > > model of disability.  One might ponder whether one would prefer a
> > > child to carry potential to be a fast-bowling all rounder or born
> > > straight (no contest for me).  The Italian aristocracy model from the
> > > 17th century was essentially gay - women were just breeding machines.
> > > I am not an aristocrat and, having watched England thrash the West
> > > Indies in women's cricket, am a little sad I'm too old to make a fool
> > > of myself with the whole eleven.
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> > > On 10 Sep, 16:33, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > This translates that there is hope for mankind to be able to optimize
> > > > their offspring's sexual orientation to the desired one. An old
> > > > belief.
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> > > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I'd say that genes only rule rationality when rationality or "mind"
> > rules
> > > > > being.  A quiet mind opens endless possibility.  Epigenetics is
> > changing the
> > > > > paradigm as we find our genetic code in flux and responsive to our
> > internal
> > > > > environment.  Twins separated at birth match their adoptive parents
> > genetic
> > > > > code more than their biological.  All quite fascinating.
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> > > > > On Monday, September 10, 2012 7:35:52 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
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> > > > >> I watched some gorillas on television a couple of days back.  An all
> > > > >> male group were practising homosexuality, but then the women moved
> > in
> > > > >> and they reverted to straight.  The alpha appeared to dominate the
> > > > >> sex, but in fact the others got on with life behind his back.  All
> > > > >> very human.  A couple of weeks back I had a bit of a blow out down
> > the
> > > > >> pub.  I was accused by a psycho of fancying his wife - all very ape.
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> > > > >> I find sexual orientation pretty boring.  I still get the smarts
> > from
> > > > >> time to time, but find sex as commercially presented dull.  I'd say
> > > > >> each to his or her own if my old job hadn't exposed me to utter
> > > > >> perversion.  I have a mate into bondage and pain and that's his
> > > > >> business.  I can't say the same about sex tourism and child abuse
> > such
> > > > >> as getting sex from young kids by giving them mobile phones.  Most
> > > > >> cultures have abusive sex rings and weird rituals.  I have a
> > > > >> particular disdain for men in skirts waiving incense, pretending
> > > > >> holiness and abusing kids.
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> > > > >> I'm a cuddly sort under whatever enigma I present or is (more
> > > > >> accurately I think) perceived by others.  Derrida had it somewhere
> > > > >> that the pen scratching paper is violence.  My favourite sports are
> > > > >> violent (cricket and rugby).  Sex itself is somewhat more violent
> > than
> > > > >> scratching paper with a nib, though our ludic gasps are not usually
> > > > >> about pain.
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> > > > >> I'm not at all sure sexual orientation is about straight, gay,
> > lesbian
> > > > >> and so on.  Sue's dog has a thing  for my duffle-coat, teenage legs
> > as
> > > > >> he approaches 'maturity' and is devoted to our female cat.  What
> > > > >> consenting people do between themselves is generally of no account,
> > > > >> though the taboos we have on age and incest are about right.
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> > > > >> Genetically, we are close to not needing sexual relations for
> > > > >> reproduction - either sex can, in principle, reproduce without the
> > > > >> other, and again in principle, we could build the 'next model' from
> > > > >> chemical constituents.
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> > > > >> I suspect our economic affairs are little more than some sublimated
> > > > >> ape genetics.  I'm interested in how gang-rape and abuse cultures
> > come
> > > > >> about in an attempt to understand how a sexual orientation infringes
> > > > >> emancipation and consenting mutuality - and how we might live free
> > of
> > > > >> the domination of genes over rationality (itself somewhat
> > gene-driven).
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