Mind's Eye Re: sexual orientation

It's all been done before in other cultures- homosexual preference,
pedophilia, women as breeders, men/women as sources of wealth through
land, tribe or title, etc. The new factor is a liberated, financially
independent woman who does not need marriage for security or social
status (though some slipped through the net like Eliz. I and a few
others). Men who don't wish to get tied down. Parents who don't get
rid of their children through marrying them off. Female gossip over
the last 40 years rather turns men into objects- much as befell women-
and still does, if they allow it. Then there is the trade factor
excluding money or permanence. The concern, if there is any, might
turn to the children of the fractured nuclear family model- the impact
and consequences to society. Of course there have always been war
widows and early widowers. There are plenty of challenges to senior
years with couples- one friend married her professor and has been a
nurse for decades- another's husband just got wheeled off to a home-
to her relief- another grits her teeth and remains cordial because her
two ex-husbands support her.

Aside: Yesterday I noticed a lovely front license plate with golden
wings across from me and when the elderly man unloaded his groceries I
went up and asked him what his plate meant. Turns out he was a navy
fighter pilot from WWII. "Not many of us left", he said, before we
said goodbye. Had just finished watching parts of "The Bridge Over the
River Kwai" and remembered my crush on William Holden as a teen. A
rude ending was his fate, someone mentioned in an old forum.

Anyway- I think you are talking about exploitation. Of apes and men...



On Sep 10, 6:35 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I watched some gorillas on television a couple of days back.  An all
> male group were practising homosexuality, but then the women moved in
> and they reverted to straight.  The alpha appeared to dominate the
> sex, but in fact the others got on with life behind his back.  All
> very human.  A couple of weeks back I had a bit of a blow out down the
> pub.  I was accused by a psycho of fancying his wife - all very ape.
>
> I find sexual orientation pretty boring.  I still get the smarts from
> time to time, but find sex as commercially presented dull.  I'd say
> each to his or her own if my old job hadn't exposed me to utter
> perversion.  I have a mate into bondage and pain and that's his
> business.  I can't say the same about sex tourism and child abuse such
> as getting sex from young kids by giving them mobile phones.  Most
> cultures have abusive sex rings and weird rituals.  I have a
> particular disdain for men in skirts waiving incense, pretending
> holiness and abusing kids.
>
> I'm a cuddly sort under whatever enigma I present or is (more
> accurately I think) perceived by others.  Derrida had it somewhere
> that the pen scratching paper is violence.  My favourite sports are
> violent (cricket and rugby).  Sex itself is somewhat more violent than
> scratching paper with a nib, though our ludic gasps are not usually
> about pain.
>
> I'm not at all sure sexual orientation is about straight, gay, lesbian
> and so on.  Sue's dog has a thing  for my duffle-coat, teenage legs as
> he approaches 'maturity' and is devoted to our female cat.  What
> consenting people do between themselves is generally of no account,
> though the taboos we have on age and incest are about right.
>
> Genetically, we are close to not needing sexual relations for
> reproduction - either sex can, in principle, reproduce without the
> other, and again in principle, we could build the 'next model' from
> chemical constituents.
>
> I suspect our economic affairs are little more than some sublimated
> ape genetics.  I'm interested in how gang-rape and abuse cultures come
> about in an attempt to understand how a sexual orientation infringes
> emancipation and consenting mutuality - and how we might live free of
> the domination of genes over rationality (itself somewhat gene-driven).

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