Re: Mind's Eye Re: Politics

Who really knows for sure what is going to happen in Nov.? I think
Obama will win after various Oct. surprises in his favor and a few
recounts in swing states. Conservatives, dominated by Tea Party
wannabes will take over the Senate and stop the bleeding. Obama will
be forced, due to Armageddon type consequences if he doesn't, to yet
again extend the Bush tax cuts. He will sign the bill making it so
complaining all the while that he simply has to to get anything done
with those diabolical Republicans etc. etc. Whew, all that
prognosticating makes my brain hurt. As long as conservatives have
control of Congress I don't think Obama will be able to do much more
damage except in naming Judges but I think motivated individuals in
Congress will stop any nominees he may try to slip in. The so-called
"Progressives" reign in terror started by Nancy Pelosi and company
will come to a blessed end.

I have no love for Romney. He would have been a distant third on my
list as a choice from the men who were running but money still means
something in running a campaign and he's got that over just about
everybody else. the only thing that would perk me up and get me
interested again is if he picks Marco Rubio for the job. I seriously
doubt it though. Rubio outstrips Romney in personality, guts and
tenacity and his zeal for public service is outstanding. Romney is
stiff and risk adverse. Boring. Far too namby pamby for my tastes. I
believe Romney is smart enough to not want to be overshadowed by his
much more interesting vp so will pick somebody like Pawlenty instead.
What a shame.

Unfortunately Obama has been quite successful in dividing the county
over class. Too many people in this country distrust, dislike or
outright hate the rich. Romney is rich. Nevermind how successful he's
been or all the experience he has in turning losing companies around
and getting rid of bad ones. Nope, I think the People will get another
four years of "seeing what's in" Obamacare to figure out what a
trainwreck that sloppy piece of legislation really is. Let's see how
Obama explains another 2 or 3 years of lack luster "recovery" in his
second term. He'll blame Congress, of course. That's what he does best
unless he's blaming Bush. I wonder how many "the Buck Stops Here" name
plates he received since taking the top job in the White House?
Doesn't seem to be taking the hint yet...

Rigsy is correct in that there has been little difference between the
two parties in substance for quite some time now. I hope Tea Party
influence can start to change this. We must starve the beast. Stop
giving Congress so much money to waste. Force perfectly healthy and
capable people to go back to work and stop mooching off the rest of
us.

dj

PS: By the way, we have a rover on Mars. NASA's last Hurrah made
through the seven seconds of terror safely.

On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 10:23 PM, rigsy03 <rigsy03@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I get so confused about a political self-definition- perhaps I am a
> conservative-progressive. Is that combo possible? Probably not.
>
> After seeing a recent film of "Brideshead Revisited"- Evelyn Waugh, I
> just finished reading his bio on Wikipedia. Now there is an
> interesting combustion of tunes!
>
> I like watching Poirot-Agatha Christie as it reminds me of the
> vestiges of the '30's/parents but then I missed the program on the
> Barnes Collection in Philadelphia with just a brief view of an
> outstanding collection- built from the wealth of an early cure for a
> std. Life is astonishing! Anyway there are some shots of the art on
> the Wikipedia site. Maybe the entire collection is published by now as
> I doubt life includes a trip to Philadelphia which scared two of my
> children so would probably paralyse me (they were not used to flash
> gangs).
>
> Back to politics- I think I am worried Obama will not get elected and
> the country will erupt.
>
> On Aug 4, 5:43 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Gabby always tends to make me 'smirkel'. Danish tv series like The
>> Killing and Borgen present politics much as we find our own. I agree
>> with rigsy, though I think the loops involved are like the ones in
>> Garageband - you can junk these together to make tunes. Some fit
>> together, others sound awful. In politics you have to choose the
>> loops that harmonise with your party. All the loops are old and
>> unoriginal.
>>
>> 0.001% (approximately 92,000 people own most of the world. If we had
>> politics we'd be looking for another money system. Money has a half-
>> life in the radioactivity sense. If you stuff it in a mattress, most
>> of it will have decayed in 20 years. The investments we can make now
>> are such as a guaranteed small loss on German bonds as against quicker
>> losses in derivatives. Politics rarely gets deep enough to make
>> sensible points. One is for or against, say, nuclear power - but we
>> never hear liquid thorium reactors mentioned despite there being loads
>> more of the stuff than uranium and he reaction route being safer, not
>> producing weapons or mega-lasting waste.
>>
>> Winner takes all in the UK gives us the choice between Thatcher or
>> Thatcher in drag (Blair and Cameron) - odd anomalies appear like Brown
>> who I suspect sold our gold reserves to gain influence with the
>> banksters and become head of the World Bank.
>>
>> On Jul 31, 1:54 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Let me know when you read the european news ,, not the american version of
>> > it either,, there s a big difference. oh yes I forgot Romney s your hero..
>> > Allan
>> > On Jul 31, 2012 2:05 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Yes- I heard. It can be risky not reading off a monitor, can't it? :-)
>>
>> > > Turkey's getting feisty re Syria which will pull in Iran.
>>
>> > > On Jul 30, 11:41 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > Well Rigsy
>> > > > Listen to Romney the other day,,, well i do not know if you hard
>> > > > his because it was in Israel.. hat to say it if he gets elected the US
>> > > is
>> > > > into another war this time with Iran.... I know you dis agree with me.
>> > > > Allan
>>
>> > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 4:56 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > > > > Let's not argue about politics- it's like arguing about nationality or
>> > > > > religion= an endless loop. Besides, either party in the USA is more
>> > > > > alike than different in a real sense of impact upon the individual-
>> > > > > for instance, waste, debt and extraction of taxes plus snarl of
>> > > > > controls and regulations. Consider that most immigrants came to
>> > > > > America for a chance to do what was impossible in their ancestral
>> > > > > homeland- own property/business and construct a new social order based
>> > > > > on wealth rather than aristocratic ancestry, however they tried to
>> > > > > emulate the aristocrats in life style and a closed "400"- now
>> > > > > shattered by celebrities/nouveau riche. Not sure we really own
>> > > > > anything anymore- free and clear- as taxes resemble rent rather than
>> > > > > ownership. Larry Sommers (sp?) now proposes equality of opportunity
>> > > > > but says little about sweat and talent- nothing new as America was
>> > > > > founded on the principle of opportunity, wasn't it? Or did it morph
>> > > > > into opportunism which must be corrected?
>>
>> > > > > On Jul 29, 12:54 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > Rigsy I did not write the piece.... I was looking at the different
>> > > > > > political groups.. this showed up with a note that it was not to be
>> > > > > > archived thought it was interesting so I passed it on.
>>
>> > > > > > The problem wit your blame game theory is all the piece did was put
>> > > the
>> > > > > > blame where it belonged..
>>
>> > > > > > Yes Rigsy.. tricked into spending,, well let us then look at a very
>> > > > > > recent times,, like the Iraq war.. the American people were "TRICKED"
>> > > > > into
>> > > > > > it buy the political parties they were lied to about the chemical
>> > > > > weapons
>> > > > > > and the nuclear weapons,,
>>
>> > > > > > What you are saying is the American people jumped into this war and
>> > > the
>> > > > > > cost of trillions of Dollars well over a 1/3 million needless
>> > > deaths..
>> > > > > Get
>> > > > > > real Rigsy and take off the blinders,, The American People were
>> > > conned
>> > > > > by
>> > > > > > slick talking hucksters and are trying to be set up again by another
>> > > > > slick
>> > > > > > talking Huckster..
>> > > > > > Allan
>> > > > > > On Jul 28, 2012 10:09 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > > Wasn't the socialism of FDR saved by WWII?//Consumers and companies
>> > > > > > > are not going to be tricked into spending until they find out
>> > > what's
>> > > > > > > going to happen to taxes, inflation, Europe, the Muddle East, oil,
>> > > > > > > crops>dust bowl?, etc.//Really Allan, the blame game of the extreme
>> > > > > > > fringes of Reps and Dems is pathetic.
>>
>> > > > > > > On Jul 28, 12:29 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > I was looking through the groups and found this on a republican
>> > > party
>> > > > > > > group
>> > > > > > > > slated to be removed in 6 days and not to be archived.. I did
>> > > not
>> > > > > right
>> > > > > > > > this.
>> > > > > > > > Allan
>>
>> > > > > > > > Could that be because of the near total collapse of the national
>> > > > > > > > economy, the loss of 40% of the middle class wealth, the attacks
>> > > on
>> > > > > > > > women, workers, elderly by the GOP since the late 80's?
>>
>> > > > > > > > >==============================================
>>
>> > > > > > > > THE BUSH ECONOMIC DISASTER
>>
>> > > > > > > > Perhaps it is a little unfair to George W. Bush to name it that,
>> > > > > > > > perhaps a more accurate term would be the Reagan/Bush Economic
>> > > > > > > > Disaster. Though the damage all came to a head this day one year
>> > > ago,
>> > > > > > > > it was set in place by the bill of goods sold to the American
>> > > People
>> > > > > > > > by smooth talking right wing pitch man Ronald Reagan in 1980.
>> > > > > > > > Reaganomics once refereed to as "voodoo economics" by George H.
>> > > W.
>> > > > > > > > Bush was put in place that eventually lead to the disaster of
>> > > last
>> > > > > > > > year.
>>
>> > > > > > > > The Republicans sold the American people on a concept that if you
>> > > > > take
>> > > > > > > > away all regulations, all responsibility and all oversight, the
>> > > > > market
>> > > > > > > > will protect us naturally. That if you make the rich wealthier,
>> > > the
>> > > > > > > > benefits will trickle down to the rest of the nation. What
>> > > happened
>> > > > > > > > instead is the rich did indeed get richer. Meanwhile the numbers
>> > > of
>> > > > > > > > the poor increased, and the middle class shrunk. For the first
>> > > time
>> > > > > in
>> > > > > > > > our nations history average incomes went down yet the wealth of
>> > > he
>> > > > > > > > nation was concentrated in fewer and fewer people's pockets. To
>> > > > > > > > further complete the redistribution of wealth, those who's greed
>> > > and
>> > > > > > > > irresponsible behavior got rich, also were given tax breaks. The
>> > > > > > > > burden increased again on the poor and middle class.
>>
>> > > > > > > > Then came George W. Bush. Not only did he continue the
>> > > Reaganomics
>> > > > > > > > policies but added to them. He passed laws to protect credit card
>> > > > > > > > companies from its own customers allowing them unfettered control
>> > > > > over
>> > > > > > > > interest rates, fees and collections. The Bush Administration
>> > > then
>> > > > > > > > took away the teeth of the bankruptcy protection laws making it
>> > > > > harder
>> > > > > > > > for the middle class who came upon hard times to recover. Then
>> > > the
>> > > > > > > > death blow, George W Bush and a Republican Congress for 6 out of
>> > > his
>> > > > > 8
>> > > > > > > > years in office took our budget from a surplus to a 17 trillion
>> > > > > > > > deficit. Throwing away money on a war of choice, and more tax
>> > > cuts
>> > > > > for
>> > > > > > > > the wealthy again leaving 95% of Americans behind.
>>
>> > > > > > > > Jobs left, opportunity left, false wealth exploded, risk
>> > > exploded,
>> > > > > > > > oversight and regulation was non existent. And as always happens
>> > > > > > > > sooner or later when irresponsible behavior rules it came time
>> > > to pay
>> > > > > > > > the piper. So one year ago that was clearly evident to all with
>> > > the
>> > > > > > > > collapse of Lehman Brothers. \line\line So what has happened in
>> > > the
>> > > > > > > > year since. Well good news and bad news. George W. Bush is out of
>> > > > > > > > office and our new President Barack Obama, took quick and
>> > > decisive
>> > > > > > > > action to stop the bleeding. Many banks were saved, The stock
>> > > market
>> > > > > > > > had recovered 50% of its losses since last September. The amount
>> > > of
>> > > > > > > > job loss has been reduced. An auto industry who's collapse would
>> > > have
>> > > > > > > > cost millions more jobs was averted. Home sales are up, home
>> > > values
>> > > > > > > > are up. Cash for Clunkers gave a huge shot in the arm to the auto
>> > > > > > > > industry. Finally the middle class got a tax cut.
>>
>> > > > > > > > But now the bad news. The lack of rules and oversight left over
>> > > from
>> > > > > > > > the Reagan/Bush economic voodoo has not been corrected. Though
>> > > we put
>> > > > > > > > some oil in the car to prevent the blowing of the engine at the
>> > > last
>> > > > > > > > minute, we continue to drive and treat the engine the same way
>> > > which
>> > > > > > > > will lead to another disaster sooner or later. No new regulations
>> > > > > have
>> > > > > > > > been implemented, no major change in oversight, and the wealth is
>> > > > > even
>> > > > > > > > more consolidated then before. In fact 3 of every $10 invested in
>> > > > > > > > banks or securities in this nation are held in one of 4 very
>> > > large,
>> > > > > > > > very risky institutions.
>>
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