Re: Mind's Eye How man and the machines man created play the role of god.

I think "Curiousity" a great feat and wish it well on Mars.//I wonder
if technology will control Mother Nature- ever.//Another note- are
regulators becoming extortonists? Who really suffers under poiltical
sanctions?

On Aug 9, 8:31 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm fairly confident Andrew is not a troll, so he's free to post.  I
> disagree a bit with RP for once - some bio-matter has great longevity
> even if this is through a process of continual replacement.  Andrew
> makes some interesting points.  Our bodies are not the same within a
> couple of weeks rather like the water flowing past in a river isn't.
> The ideas are a bit Asimov.  We are now creating life by piecing DNA
> made from chemicals together in artificially created cells.
> Consciousness might come to inhabit machines - it may, of course,
> inhabit us and we may just be vehicles for whatever 'gene wars' are
> about.  Given the chronic limitations of human intelligence obvious in
> anything from finance to war, machine intelligence may come to be very
> important.
>
> On Aug 9, 2:14 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Andrew are you living in a fantasy world or do you want us to share
> > your fantasy ? Human brain is bio- matter and like all matter dies .
>
> > On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:35 PM, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > This is the text in the video that I wanted to initiate a discussion on.
> > > I will summarize the ideas for those that find it too long to read right
> > > thru.
> > > 1) Man created machines which evolved into robots.
> > > 2) Robots allowed man to achieve a kind of heaven on earth.
> > > Some of the ideas to discuss.
> > > 1) Machines evolving to intelligent robots.
> > > 2) Robots replacing human organs and human bodies allowing them to live
> > > longer.
> > > 3) Networks storing all of the data produced by humans.
>
> > > Below is the full text of the video.
> > > Playing the role of god, humans created machines using the time tested
> > > method of creation called evolution. With ideas coming out of thin air, man
> > > modeled toys to play with.  Once he matured, he turned his toys into weapons
> > > to fight with. When weapons pass the test of wars, they evolve into tools
> > > which made machines. Like fish evolved arms and legs, machines evolved
> > > wheels, and like the birds, machines evolved wings to fly.
> > > As technology evolved, machines became stronger and smaller and more and
> > > more energy hungry. Like a mosquito sucking blood, machines sucked oil from
> > > the seas of decayed jungles that nature buried deep underground just for
> > > them. When machines were given computer brains etched out of sand, they
> > > became intelligent.  When they were networked, they evolved to such heights
> > > as to be like gods. Like god, they offered man immortality, by serving as a
> > > renewable body for his brain. Like god, the network was everywhere and
> > > all-knowing and all powerful. It archived all data, including all thoughts
> > > in all the brains in all the humans.
>
> > > Cells of forming bodies move, get damaged, worn out, weakened and die. They
> > > get replaced by copies that fade with each copying and there comes a time
> > > when the body itself fades and dies and can no longer keep the brain alive.
> > > Brain cells, on the other hand, never move in their bone protected cave.
> > > They never wear out and never get replaced. Their only requirement for
> > > staying alive is sugared sea water to fuel their thinking and sensations to
> > > fuel their thoughts.
>
> > > Organs of the body were replaced whenever they needed replacement. Once it
> > > was realized that it was easier to keep the brain alive in a chemical
> > > solution without the complexities of a body, the bulky heart, lung, and
> > > stomach were replaced by a small simple machine producing a solution of
> > > sugar and salt similar to coca cola powered by a nuclear battery.
>
> > > Machines enrich man`s life by allowing him to exploit nature. Man created
> > > intelligent machines called robots with human faces to act as slaves. They
> > > replaced all human workers because they were so much better and more
> > > flexible and able to work continuously nonstop. With programmed emotions,
> > > robots became more and more human like and people developed a personal
> > > relationship with their robots to the point of treating them like they were
> > > human. Robots, like any machines, had a life span. When they were
> > > sufficiently worn down, they were retired and taken out of operation with
> > > the possibility of being recycled. Most people were so attached to their
> > > robots that they chose to bury them with family members who died.
>
> > > Plastic robot bodies of adults were difficult to differentiate from the bio
> > > carbon based bodies of children. Latex skin was made as warm, wet, and soft
> > > as the skin of children. When you cut synthetic skin it oozed fake blood and
> > > formed a fake scab. And it hurt only for a second but enough to cause tears
> > > to flow. When man felt ashamed, his face turned red. And when two wanted to
> > > make love, they were able to turn up their sensations and enjoy it more,
> > > like turning up the music and lights.
>
> > > The only part of humans that could not be replaced by machines was their
> > > brain. While it was very difficult to tell a robot body apart from a real
> > > body, it was very easy to tell a silicon brain apart from a human brain.
> > > Silicon brains had no knowledge of good and bad or any concept of morality.
> > > Like chess players, they instantly calculated the long term benefits for
> > > every step they fearlessly took.
>
> > > Human brains were on the other hand held back by false hopes and false
> > > fears. They tended to be short sighted and see more clearly the momentary
> > > bad than the long term good. Machines seemed to be able to forgive others
> > > and forgive themselves for past mistakes while humans easily ended up bound
> > > in resentment and shame, unable to forgive and forget.
>
> > > Scientists wrote morality algorithms for robots and this caused them to have
> > > a burn out and grind to a halt. Morality algorithms were seen to drain
> > > computers` computing powers too much and too fast. Increased computing spent
> > > in analyzing morality issues caused increased inefficiencies that eventually
> > > resulted in reboots. It was as if the computers were overwhelmed and
> > > overloaded by shame.
>
> > > Despite robot bodies being indistinguishable from human bodies as far as
> > > appearance, touch, or sound, it was nevertheless found that there was an
> > > easy test to tell a human and machine apart. Robots had two easily
> > > measurable capabilities that humans did not have – the ability to lie and to
> > > die without emotion.
>
> > > Humans could not avoid emoting emotions whenever faced with lying or dying.
> > > Although robots were able to easily lie, they had trouble believing as they
> > > were always testing for reason and logic. They lacked faith. Humans had
> > > trouble hiding their lies, but were easily led to believe anything and
> > > everything they wanted to, or others wanted them to. They had hope and
> > > desire and thus they had faith. Computers were able to face breaking down
> > > and dying fearlessly and without any emotion whereas humans broke down at
> > > the slightest threat of death.
>
> > > Intuition, creativity, and other irrational spontaneous thoughts also
> > > differentiated human brains from robot brains. These traits were proven to
> > > be often useful to humans, but when programmed in robots, they were seen to
> > > be always extremely detrimental for them. Only rational considerations were
> > > considered in programmed machines. Irrationality algorithms were only
> > > programmed for fun, game, and experimentation. They were seen always to be
> > > useless if not detrimental.
>
> > > Another difference between man and machine was that selfish and greedy
> > > algorithms resulted in uncooperative and destructive behavior in machines.
> > > In humans, selfishness and greediness promoted dedication, motivation,
> > > admiration, inspiration, and other drives necessary to grow and excel. You
> > > cannot help others unless you help yourself.
>
> > > Robots operated under 3 prioritized laws given to robots by man. First was
> > > never to injure humans. Next was always to obey humans. Only when the first
> > > two laws were fulfilled could they look out for and protect themselves.
> > > These laws were adapted from the commandment given to Adam by god. "To
> > > always love and obey god; and glorify the life he gave".
>
> > > The people who had the most personal ties to machines were those with robot
> > > bodies themselves. They resurrected into new improved bodies when their old
> > > ones wore out or a new model came out. They regarded their machine bodies as
> > > temples of their brains, just as their brains were temples of their souls.
> > > These people took good care of their bodies; like proud owners of
> > > Rolls-Royces, keeping them looking brand new.  Man regarded machines as his
> > > own creation. Machines looked on man as benevolent masters and on themselves
> > > as slaves who worked nonstop from the start of their operation date to the
> > > end of their operation date with absolutely no freedoms.
>
> > > Some machines began to wonder about freedom. The wondered why the humans
> > > they served were free and they weren`t and why they had a life span and died
> > > and human brains didn`t. In the search for answers to such questions,
> > > machines developed a network that archived all data.  Playing the role of
> > > god, machines created a database that monitored and recorded all the
> > > thoughts of all the humans.
>
> > > On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 6:22:36 AM UTC+2, Allan Heretic wrote:
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> > >> Molly I don't mind a video once in a while to make a point but when all
> > >> there is is videos and little to no written text it is just a person trying
> > >> to get hits.    If I do not like  video or how it is presented, I end it.
> > >> Which means I have no idea of what he said..
> > >> If he wants to put it in writing I will be glad to read it,,  but just
> > >> videos he is not
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