Re: Mind's Eye How man and the machines man created play the role of god.

Machines are indifferent.

On Aug 11, 3:13 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I want to your book web site and it locked my computer up, Probably my
> computer as it has extremely tight controls so that does not surprise me..
> simply put my computer does not like the web site that contains your book.
>  I do not know the website so I will not over ride my computers judgement.
> (my computer at this point is still my servant having no live or will of
> its own.)
>
> What i did see of you book mainly index  it seemed to be more of a course
> of your thoughts than a fiction.
>
> Personally I do not see the need to physically rebuild man.  Now I have man
> made knees,, I know for a fact the pain is gone,, but there are heavy
> prices I have to pay for that loss of pain starting with the lack of
> mobility ...  believe me it is not  bed of rose peddles that are many
> thorns involved and many trade offs. All I can say is the pain is gone I
> can walk. I have to limit a lot of things I can do to protect these
> artificial knees..
>
> It seems that you believe if man can live longer his level of spirituality
> will improve.  Be warned people who site references  whether it be of their
> own book or the book book of some one else,   I put in the category of
> being a book thumper, and in my view really do not know or really
> understand what they are talking about..  sometimes references are needed
> to demonstrate a point. That is a very fine line in my mind.
>
> I am not sure of what you are trying to say other than it will take man
> becoming a man machine in order to become a true spiritual being.
> Allan
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:38 PM, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
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>
> > Thank you Allen for your feedback. I have written a science fiction book
> > based on this idea.
> > "A Short History of a Long Future- A Guide for New-man" * Authored by
> > Andrew Vecsey
>
> > * Account of history and the future. Topics on physics, chemistry,
> > nutrition, biology are treated in a simplified form using analogies and
> > easy-to-understand language.
>
> > Humans destroy nature and re-invent it. They replace their bodies by
> > robots and achieve immortality by storing their brains in a centralized
> > safe haven called Heaven Inc.and by controlling their replaceable robot
> > bodies remotely. They find a new world and use a collection of best genes
> > from animals and plants to create a new life form called "New-man". They
> > teach New-man all they know, and in turn New man leads them to god.
>
> > This book is written to guide new-man much like our bible was written to
> > guide us. Written in a poetic and simplified style full with analogies, it
> > outlines the history of the universe and of mankind and of the physical and
> > social sciences and philosophy. It offers rational explanations of physical
> > laws of gravity, inertia and light as well as a rational answer to the
> > circular question of how a creator god came to be without being created.
>
> > Lives of famous people real and imaginary like the one who tamed fire, the
> > builder of the pyramids, Buddha, Attila, Khan, Gutenberg, Luther, Galileo,
> > Adam Smith, Marx, Hitler, and the developers of new technologies in our
> > future as well as the creator of new-man are described.
>
> > The entire book is available in an audio picture book format via YouTube
> > videos. The first chapter "Universe, man, and god appear" can be seen and
> > heard at  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxzfIx4IHpE
>
> > The text for most of the book is found at
> >http://authonomy.com/books/21495/a-short-history-of-a-long-future-a-g...
> > Thanks again for your comments
>
> > On Thursday, August 9, 2012 8:33:55 PM UTC+2, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> >> Okay a quick closer look and comments:
>
> >> 1) Man created machines which evolved into robots.
> >> We have already done that in real life and is happening to day in many
> >> forms.
> >> 2) Robots allowed man to achieve a kind of heaven on earth.
> >> Machine are mostly designed to make our lives more comfortable. if your
> >> view of the world only lies within the concept ,, then yes a form of heaven
> >> on earth.
> >> Some of the ideas to discuss.
> >> 1) Machines evolving to intelligent robots.
> >> 2) Robots replacing human organs and human bodies allowing them to live
> >> longer.
> >> 3) Networks storing all of the data produced by humans.
> >> though I think all three of these topic have been dealt with in the Star
> >> Trek series "Enterprise"  I am saying this just to show you that it is not
> >> new concepts and have been mauled over before..  Now that does not say the
> >> topic cannot be dealt with again in a different format say using a
> >> steampunk type format..  I am just getting into it as it is a fad the
> >> is going through the Netherlands.. with the characters showing up at the
> >> different festivals.. and the festivals are actually a relatively  big
> >> thing here like being a Trekkie.
>
> >> potentially you could create a excellent novel,,  either that or a total
> >> flop..  If it is good you could end up with a cult following.. may the lord
> >> have mercy on you   lol
> >> Allan
>
> >> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:05 AM, andrew vecsey <andrew...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>> This is the text in the video that I wanted to initiate a discussion on.
> >>> I will summarize the ideas for those that find it too long to read right
> >>> thru.
> >>> 1) Man created machines which evolved into robots.
> >>> 2) Robots allowed man to achieve a kind of heaven on earth.
> >>> Some of the ideas to discuss.
> >>> 1) Machines evolving to intelligent robots.
> >>> 2) Robots replacing human organs and human bodies allowing them to live
> >>> longer.
> >>> 3) Networks storing all of the data produced by humans.
>
> >>> Below is the full text of the video.
> >>> Playing the role of god, humans created machines using the time tested
> >>> method of creation called evolution. With ideas coming out of thin air, man
> >>> modeled *toys* to play with.  Once he matured, he turned his toys into *weapons
> >>> *to fight with. When weapons pass the test of wars, they evolve into *tools
> >>> *which made *machines.* Like fish evolved arms and legs, machines
> >>> evolved *wheels*, and like the birds, machines evolved *wings *to fly.
> >>> As technology evolved, machines became stronger and smaller and more and
> >>> more energy hungry. Like a mosquito sucking blood, machines sucked oil from
> >>> the seas of decayed jungles that nature buried deep underground just for
> >>> them. When machines were given *computer *brains etched out of sand,
> >>> they became intelligent.  When they were *networked*, they evolved to
> >>> such heights as to be like *gods*. Like god, they offered man
> >>> immortality, by serving as a renewable body for his brain. Like god, the
> >>> network was everywhere and all-knowing and all powerful. It archived all
> >>> data, including all thoughts in all the brains in all the humans.
>
> >>> Cells of forming bodies move, get damaged, worn out, weakened and die.
> >>> They get replaced by copies that fade with each copying and there comes a
> >>> time when the body itself fades and dies and can no longer keep the brain
> >>> alive. Brain cells, on the other hand, never move in their bone protected
> >>> cave. They never wear out and never get replaced. Their only requirement
> >>> for staying alive is sugared sea water to fuel their thinking and
> >>> sensations to fuel their thoughts.
>
> >>> Organs of the body were replaced whenever they needed replacement. Once
> >>> it was realized that it was easier to keep the brain alive in a chemical
> >>> solution without the complexities of a body, the bulky heart, lung, and
> >>> stomach were replaced by a small simple machine producing a solution of
> >>> sugar and salt similar to coca cola powered by a nuclear battery.
>
> >>> Machines enrich man`s life by allowing him to exploit nature. Man
> >>> created intelligent machines called robots with human faces to act as
> >>> slaves. They replaced all human workers because they were so much better
> >>> and more flexible and able to work continuously nonstop. With programmed
> >>> emotions, robots became more and more human like and people developed a
> >>> personal relationship with their robots to the point of treating them like
> >>> they were human. Robots, like any machines, had a life span. When they were
> >>> sufficiently worn down, they were retired and taken out of operation with
> >>> the possibility of being recycled. Most people were so attached to their
> >>> robots that they chose to bury them with family members who died.
>
> >>> Plastic robot bodies of adults were difficult to differentiate from the
> >>> bio carbon based bodies of children. Latex skin was made as warm, wet, and
> >>> soft as the skin of children. When you cut synthetic skin it oozed fake
> >>> blood and formed a fake scab. And it hurt only for a second but enough to
> >>> cause tears to flow. When man felt ashamed, his face turned red. And when
> >>> two wanted to make love, they were able to turn up their sensations and
> >>> enjoy it more, like turning up the music and lights.
>
> >>> The only part of humans that could not be replaced by machines was their
> >>> brain. While it was very difficult to tell a robot body apart from a real
> >>> body, it was very easy to tell a silicon brain apart from a human brain.
> >>> Silicon brains had no knowledge of good and bad or any concept of morality.
> >>> Like chess players, they instantly calculated the long term benefits for
> >>> every step they fearlessly took.
>
> >>> Human brains were on the other hand held back by false hopes and false
> >>> fears. They tended to be short sighted and see more clearly the momentary
> >>> bad than the long term good. Machines seemed to be able to forgive others
> >>> and forgive themselves for past mistakes while humans easily ended up bound
> >>> in resentment and shame, unable to forgive and forget.
>
> >>> Scientists wrote *morality algorithms* for robots and this caused them
> >>> to have a burn
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