Re: Mind's Eye New Google Groups is Dumb,but this not the subject

Yes- I laughed.//I did the right thing but explained it crudely. If I
were to unwind the whole thing I might as well write fiction! :-) This
was a friendship- not a romance- that has often gone awry. Why?
Because certain comments start building up to present an attitude I
want to avoid but it takes a while for me to "get it". Why? Because of
old habits I was raised with, I guess, prior to women's lib about
confrontation with men and authority figures. Eventually, I react but
it might not be the real reason until I think it through- which drives
some people crazy about the ways of men and women. On the other hand,
I've known wives who edit everything- forever- to keep things safe and
tidy.//I don't care to "adopt" anyone at this point- esp. a 65 year
old dude with some cranky ideas. This is being kind to myself- which
is often harder than one thinks.

On Jun 28, 10:53 pm, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We can all use a little kindness, I have a feeling your gut instinct
> rules here. Don't adopt a feral man on my account! lol But.. a little
> scrub and polish may reveal a decent ship, on the cheap, handy-woman
> special. I know my experience is a few leagues lower than many here and
> I wouldn't know how to relate advice if I had any, so I'll belay proving
> my stature. My tact (in person) is usually to show someone how
> indecisive, confused and pensive someone can really get, by trying to
> figure me out their problems seem easier. Someone out there just laughed. :)
>
> Just commiserating about the trusty parts, they do take hell.
>
> On 6/27/2012 12:50 AM, rigsy03 wrote:
>
>
>
> > I don't know if you mean I should be kind or I should expect
> > kindness.Sometimes the truth is not kind and rather than saying I
> > didn't agree with this and that I let it pass- the red flags, I guess-
> > till there was something concrete- although a minute part of the
> > whole. It really isn't about housekeeping or snoring. I think you are
> > trying to help. Thanks.//I'll take the south tower of a medieval
> > castle and work on the tapestry, okay? :-)
>
> > On Jun 26, 10:30 pm, James<ashkas...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> The parts sort of develop a mind of their own! With time one can learn
> >> to face it and interrupt the process by learning about triggers and
> >> their relationship to the past. Mine seems to play out events and taking
> >> everything apart and reassembling in different directions, scenarios,
> >> just have to keep it pointed at constructive problem solving otherwise
> >> the other parts will start responding badly. Yours sounds a little
> >> familiar, not to mine but I won't go there tonight- suffice to say if we
> >> were in your shoes we would appreciate kindness? Sent by  grace
> >> perhaps.. she dreamed I would grow up to be a preacher (a passionate
> >> Southern Baptist no doubt). Heh, that always makes smile.
>
> >> On 6/26/2012 8:23 AM, rigsy03 wrote:
>
> >>> Well, thank you  and others for not jumping all over me for
> >>> heartlessness. Of course I have adapted to/cleaned up messes and
> >>> snoring during my lifetime- this recent incident really triggered a
> >>> dramatic response- maybe long overdue and rather than deal with it
> >>> directly I am using the "busy" disappearance routine- also called
> >>> "flight".//Sometimes my heart feels heavy or broken, other times light
> >>> and dancing but my entire body feels various emotional responses-
> >>> however, the adrenal gland or brain would not be much of a metaphor or
> >>> image on greeting cards, would it?
>
> >>> On Jun 26, 4:21 am, malcymo<malc...@gmail.com>    wrote:
> >>>> The 'heart' is difficult to talk about as I believe that it is often used
> >>>> metaphorically. I, being the coward that I am, tend to avoid reference to
> >>>> it. It could be confused with love.
>
> >>>> Malc
>
> >>>> On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:50:30 AM UTC+12, Ash wrote:
> >>>>> When referring to the tangible object it is within normal operating
> >>>>> parameters and conventional properties but we could switch it around a
> >>>>> little, say, what we are referring to is a summation of object
> >>>>> permanence derived from causal relationships resulting in the idea of a
> >>>>> thing we call a heart, or perhaps a million other ways like numbers.
>
> >>>>> But I think Molly was saying a bit more than that, and perhaps you are
> >>>>> too- you sly fox! :)
>
> >>>>> _pleease interpret as jovial_
>
> >>>>> On 6/25/2012 9:23 AM, RP Singh wrote:
> >>>>>> And where's the heart , Molly ? is it somewhere outside this body ?
>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>      wrote:
> >>>>>>> The heart also responds to all the things you mention.  Our physical
> >>>>>>> organs and systems all respond to thoughts, feelings and awareness.
> >>>>>>> The heartmath institute has done quite a bit of research in this
> >>>>>>> regard.  Our being (includes physical and all aspects) and experience
> >>>>>>> are in dynamic relationship.  The become one in paradox.
>
> >>>>>>> On Jun 24, 11:22 am, RP Singh<123...@gmail.com>      wrote:
> >>>>>>>> It is the brain which is essential for experiencing all feelings ,
> >>>>>>>> thoughts , and states of awareness. Whatever is experienced has
> >>>>>>>> physical basis because without the physical organs, whether it be
> >>>>>>>> brain or sense organs , no experience is possible. God abides in
> >>>>>>>> matter and guides it by well established laws.
>
> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>      wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> brain worship is prevalent, but science can't measure mind, or the
> >>>>>>>>> effect of thought on experience.  Science can measure brain function
> >>>>>>>>> as neuro-physical biochemisty, but not the complexity of thought and
> >>>>>>>>> what it means to overall health.  There is a state in sleep and
> >>>>>>>>> waking, where thought is not required, and indeed, awareness is
> >>>>>>>>> enhanced because of it.
>
> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 23, 2:35 pm, RP Singh<123...@gmail.com>      wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Man is a physical creature , the only spiritual aspect in him is
> >>>>>>>>>> awareness. It is the mind which thinks and mind is physical , cut a
> >>>>>>>>>> portion of the brain and thinking will stop , cut another portion
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> awareness will be reduced to such a level  as to be insignificant ,
> >>>>>>>>>> and if you kill the brain even  awareness which is the spiritual
> >>>>>>>>>> aspect in life will be extinguished. The fact is that Spirit
> >>>>> pervades
> >>>>>>>>>> throughout matter and an individuality might cease to be , yet the
> >>>>> One
> >>>>>>>>>> Spirit which is eternal and immortal remains unchanged.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>    wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Mind is a non physical organ, like ego or our metaphorical heart
> >>>>> (the
> >>>>>>>>>>> one what contains our emotions.)  It's kind of like asking if
> >>>>> people
> >>>>>>>>>>> in different climates have different gall bladders because of the
> >>>>>>>>>>> climate.  At some point in our development, because the human being
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>> adaptive and resilient, it is possible to find a harmonious life
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>> all systems communicating and functioning together. We call this
> >>>>>>>>>>> optimal health.  And, at some point in our development, we may
> >>>>>>>>>>> discover that the harmony of our being is more a reflection of our
> >>>>>>>>>>> internal environment than external and that our lives are lived
> >>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>>>> inside out.  Of course, not everyone comes to this realization, and
> >>>>>>>>>>> continue throughout their lives to look for external causes for
> >>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>>> problems or discomfort. Whatever our philosophy, the quality of our
> >>>>>>>>>>> lives can dramatically change for the better is we look within for
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> answers.  Our mind thinks.  We can live and breathe without
> >>>>> thinking.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yet thinking is an important aspect of life, and one that directly
> >>>>>>>>>>> effects the quality of our lives.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 23, 12:06 pm, "pol.science kid"<r.freeb...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>    wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to find out about this Chaz guy you were talking about...
> >>>>> so
> >>>>>>>>>>>> i was going through some really old posts.. but couldnt go really
> >>>>> far
> >>>>>>>>>>>> back.. only till 2007... when was ME created? who started it? When
> >>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>> have a look..there are sooo many topics covered..its so exiting..
> >>>>>>>>>>>> though i thought i saw some homophobic posts... but seriously..
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> range is so wide.. and there were so many members actively
> >>>>>>>>>>>> engaging ... my own old posts seemed dumb to me.. i guess they
> >>>>> still
> >>>>>>>>>>>> are.. But its remarkable the range of this forum..im gla i joined
> >>>>> it..
> >>>>>>>>>>>> one can learn a lot.... also ..do you guys think..different
> >>>>> climate
> >>>>>>>>>>>> zones affect the nature of people?..i mean more than the fact that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> environment affects culture which affects to some degree human
> >>>>>>>>>>>> nature(or at least superficial responses.).. are people in
> >>>>> temperate
> >>>>>>>>>>>> areas different in their mind than people from tropical sultry
> >>>>>>>>>>>> areas...
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 22, 5:02 pm, rigsy03<rigs...@yahoo.com>      wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I read Barbara Ward's "The Rich Nations and the Poor Nations" in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> early '60's when my curiousity led me beyond liberal arts- also
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Carson's "The Silent Spring", and several books on WWII. 60 years
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> later- and where are we?
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 8:44 pm, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com>      wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My point above, I think, is that what appears very complex may
> >>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> points of simplexity where we can see the moral action.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2:41 am, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com>      wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was attracted in to have a go at new google groups - utterly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unspeakable.  These moral issues form the core of my new book
> >>>>> (80%
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done).  Underlying the moral maze is the issue of frames of
> >>>>> reference
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - most famously paradigms, though the Greeks knew.  You can
> >>>>> usually
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make several powerful arguments about anything.  You can't
> >>>>> really
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide between the arguments because the root metaphors are
> >>>>> different
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and incommensurable.  The following were examples, exhausting
> >>>>> if not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhaustive:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PARADIGM (disciplinary matrices)        KUHN 1970; BURRELL&
> >>>>>    MORGAN 1979
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PICTURE THEORY OF MEANING       WITTGENSTEIN1922
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LANGUAGE GAMES  WITTGENSTEIN 1958
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MULTIPLE REALITIES
>
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