No rigs i was thinking the rainbow warrior should scoop it up for material to make cars or at least parts for cars.
Computers lack all morality... there is no hell for computers.. just the programmers that write these immoral programs .. but there is also the problem of using the system also approves of the system.. so if you use the system you are part of the system that allows it to function.
Well if people that use the the computerised IChing o make decisions for them ,,, well if you are that afraid of life and can not take responsibility ,, (lol) have at it.. Personally letting the computer select the segments of the I Ching I read to day has nothing to do with decisions an I am amazed at the morality it tries to impart. Trying to get away from being stuck in he same old , same old rut
Allan
On May 29, 2012 1:10 PM, "rigsy03" <rigsy03@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes- they can send a Rainbow Warrior out to scoop it up for
fertilizer? It's tempting to kill the messenger, I suppose.//My point
about the computer/I Ching was that you are designating a machine to
make the choices so I wonder if your readings are valid. Computers
have screwed up international trade systems, I feel- human
intelligence cannot compete with their speed, for one thing, plus it
relieves brokers of moral decisions.//Fortune telling is a form of
wishful thinking=a form of insanity.
On May 27, 11:32 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We know the world is nuts. That is a give. The green peace soup has to due
> with current flow. Floating pollution. Will always show up in the same
> spots .. why don't they send ships out there to pick it up and recycle it.
> Oh I forgot that is not dramatic enough and it would not put enough good in
> their pocket. And fortune telling tells you how and when to do it.
> Allan
> On May 27, 2012 3:23 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Physically throwing the coins or bamboo sticks are part of the deal,
> > Allan, plus most will interpret the Judgment or Lines to fit their
> > preconceived intent- or throw till they get the answer they want- it's
> > human nature. :-)//Serious matters, all this bleached paper women use
> > in and out their bodies along with monkeying around with fertility and
> > every other thing thay can think of to consider themselves liberated.
>
> > On May 27, 6:20 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I have been reading the I Ching for material to think about during the
> > > day... well i looked up how to read the coins. (The program kind of does
> > it
> > > all automatically) What is amazing is how serious people are. It seems
> > they
> > > are even using it to determine if they are to use 2 or 3 ply maybe it is
> > 4
> > > ply that is needed after the latest dump.
>
> > > I do believe. It can show you things you need to think about regarding
> > any
> > > given subject.. along with correct moral responses... but make a decision
> > > as to what ply of toilet paper to use when wiping ones buns this time. No
> > > not only No but Hell No!!!
> > > Allan
> > > On May 27, 2012 9:46 AM, "Allan H" <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Times are changing, the problem I see people who are just in the
> > morality
> > > > game for their own prophet. (sic)
> > > > Allan
> > > > On May 27, 2012 3:47 AM, "archytas" <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> Almost every little thing we do contributes to our carbon footprint,
> > > >> which increases greenhouse gases, which could in turn ultimately
> > > >> threaten hundreds of millions of lives in some remote time and place –
> > > >> the uncertainty only adding to the sublime awfulness of our
> > > >> responsibilities. Contrary to Gardiner's concerns about moral
> > > >> corruption, climate change does not tempt us to be less moral than we
> > > >> might otherwise be; it invites us to be more moral than we could ever
> > > >> have imagined. Unlike the Dashwoods, we never knew how many relatives
> > > >> we had. Climate ethics is not morality applied but morality
> > > >> discovered, a new chapter in the moral education of mankind. It may
> > > >> tell us things we do not wish to know (about democracy, perhaps), but
> > > >> the future development of humanity may depend on what, if anything, it
> > > >> can teach us. (the last lines of a book review essay at LRB)
>
> > > >> I'm watching a South American farce called 'The Pope's Toilet' as I
> > > >> write. It's a very moral film. I don't doubt, as James points out
> > > >> that there are plenty of nuggets in our literature. I doubt anyone in
> > > >> here would miss the point of the film. They are doing Allan's last
> > > >> line above.
>
> > > >> If we forget moral philosophy, or at least suspend it, we might catch
> > > >> a glimpse of a morality that is largely about suppressing the poor and
> > > >> is based in non-modern attitudes. If this is rather obvious, I doubt
> > > >> we realise the consequences - one being the limitation of our
> > > >> dialogue. I wonder if we should take Wittgenstein seriously and look
> > > >> for what bewitches us as moral incompetents. I suspect at core the
> > > >> problem concerns a technocracy that isn't scientific and operates by
> > > >> stopping us taking part in dialogue as competents. I suspect this is
> > > >> a very old trick at the heart of education.
>
> > > >> On May 26, 8:31 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > James so finding a sinkhole, now apparently that is very easy, after
> > > >> > watching Clare Prophet, the Rev. Moon, the new kid Cohen, the "Hour
> > of
> > > >> > Power" and many other religious ministries of great variety you can
> > see
> > > >> > they develop sink holes for money with the other end a lavish life
> > > >> style.
>
> > > >> > You are right we need to work for the betterment of mankind. The
> > > >> emphasis
> > > >> > needs to be on the poor but politics often gets I'm the way. Oddly
> > > >> enough
> > > >> > it can be circumvented peacefully.
> > > >> > Allan
> > > >> > On May 25, 2012 11:38 PM, "James" <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > I think one aspect to consider is what types of thinking it would
> > > >> take to
> > > >> > > build up an infrastructure of citizenry with a more scientific
> > world
> > > >> view,
> > > >> > > and what that even means (hopefully more rational). This comes
> > with
> > > >> some
> > > >> > > challenges in assimilation and integration, what entry points are
> > > >> there, is
> > > >> > > there even interest (or is it a funding sinkhole). And ethically,
> > > >> should
> > > >> > > we develop defenses to teach to our young for identifying and
> > > >> combating
> > > >> > > faulty reasoning and logic, what forms this might take. Maybe
> > through
> > > >> > > introducing a broad immersion of diverse concepts they will
> > > >> self-immunize
> > > >> > > and make the changes generationally (and is that process fast
> > enough
> > > >> for
> > > >> > > current/future challenges) if we just concentrate more on
> > exceptional
> > > >> > > qualitative development. It takes time and attention, people are
> > > >> overworked
> > > >> > > and full of anxiety.
>
> > > >> > > I was trying to wrap my head around a challenge between
> > technology and
> > > >> > > culture a little while back that involved high performance
> > materials
> > > >> like
> > > >> > > stainless steel, high pressure steam and platinum plated ceramics
> > and
> > > >> > > getting these things into the hands of your average third world
> > > >> farming
> > > >> > > community or poorer. Then it hit me, people don't need a source of
> > > >> gadgets,
> > > >> > > universities, a western way of life, industries and all that to
> > > >> benefit
> > > >> > > from modern knowledge, all that is necessary is an accessible
> > > >> vehicle, a
> > > >> > > friend, neighbor, or community. A few minutes later I had drafted
> > an
> > > >> > > integrated energy refinement system using natural resources like
> > clay,
> > > >> > > wood, soil, and rock to produce clean, high efficiency centralised
> > > >> heating
> > > >> > > with waste byproduct applications for sterile drinking water, safe
> > > >> human
> > > >> > > waste processing, personal/laundry cleaning chemicals and
> > medicinal
> > > >> > > applications. It's gathering dust somewhere around here in the
> > form
> > > >> of a
> > > >> > > scribble and a few notes.
>
> > > >> > > An accessible vehicle for the modern layman might be in how
> > scientific
> > > >> > > approaches can be used to refine, redirect redefine and optimize
> > our
> > > >> ends
> > > >> > > and means- and the Idols need to be outed as ill defined means
> > that
> > > >> set an
> > > >> > > unrealistically low bar for problem solving capacity. That is one
> > > >> emphasis
> > > >> > > for science at the inroad of ethos, what potential could we
> > released
> > > >> by
> > > >> > > directing a portion of energy toward actually solving problems and
> > > >> making
> > > >> > > solutions accessible? I wonder.
>
> > > >> > > Just a couple thoughts while trying to find that voice I put down
> > > >> > > somewhere. ;-)
>
> > > >> > > On 5/18/2012 12:13 AM, archytas wrote:
>
> > > >> > >> My stance towards most moralising is one of incredulity, yet I'm
> > a
> > > >> > >> moraliser and believe most of our problems lie in our lack of
> > > >> personal
> > > >> > >> and collective morality. Economics as our political and business
> > > >> > >> class practice it is fundamentally immoral against a scientific
> > > >> world-
> > > >> > >> view, My view of science is that it is full of values and the
> > notion
> > > >> > >> of it as value-free is a total and totalising dud. Only lay
> > people
> > > >> > >> with no experience of doing science hold the "value-free" notion
> > of
> > > >> > >> science.
>
> > > >> > >> You can explore some of the moral issues arising in modern
> > science in
> > > >> > >> a lengthy book review at London Review of Books -
> > > >> > >>http://www.lrb.co.uk/v34/n10/**malcolm-bull/what-is-the-**
> > > >> > >> rational-response<
>
> >http://www.lrb.co.uk/v34/n10/malcolm-bull/what-is-the-rational-response>
> > > >> > >> .
> > > >> > >> The book's topic is climate change.
>
> > > >> > >> Coming up to 60 I regard the world as a abject failure against
> > the
> > > >> > >> promises I thought were being made in politics. I'm a
> > world-weary
> > > >> old
> > > >> > >> fart now, tending to see the generations coming up as narcissist
> > > >> > >> wastrels who don't know what hard work is (etc.) though I think
> > the
> > > >> > >> blame is ours, not theirs. I think the problem is our attitude
> > > >> > >> towards morality. The tendency in history is to focus on
> > religion
> > > >> for
> > > >> > >> moral advice - this is utterly corrupt and we have forgotten that
> > > >> much
> > > >> > >> religious morality is actually a reaction against unfairness and
> > the
> > > >> > >> wicked control of our lives by the rich. It is this latter
> > factor
> > > >> > >> that is repeating itself.
>
> > > >> > >> Much moralising concerns sex. This all largely based in old
> > fables
> > > >> > >> for population control we can still find in primitive societies
> > such
> > > >> > >> as 'sperm control by fellatio' (Sambians) and non-penetrative
> > youth
> > > >> > >> sex (Kikuyu) etc. - and stuff like 'the silver ring thing'. The
> > > >> > >> modern issue is population control and that we can achieve this
> > > >> > >> without sexual moralising - the moral
>
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