Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: The Greater Good

LOL   oddly it is possible to get a camel through the eye of a needle of a needle..  it is possible but you have to get a camel to walk on its knees..  but there is a price to pay for that..

Allan

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:

You must have discovered how muh harder it gets to thread the eye of a
needle as the simplicity of youth fades Allan!

On Dec 5, 4:35 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> II just received from a friend of mine and Tim always makes me think..  It
>  really suddenly dawned on me (I can be all wet) is the suppose of religion
> is not really for salvation and the nest life but in reality is to teach
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> It seems that the churches to day give a quick brush over morality and the
> get to the work of salvation.. and the next life.. I am laughing to my self
>  because if you lose morality you lose salvation. The greatest problems of
> this day are the lose of morality  and the teaching of morality,,  It seems
> the teaching of morality is for the other guy but the rules of morality do
> not apply to me.
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> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well  sadly Ireland is good of a country giving away what is not theirs to
> > start off with..
> > and you are right most of the problems are moral ones.
> >  religious leaders are as much fault  as they no longer teach morality in
> > their fundamentalism,,  but rather in christianity's case all is for given
> > if you accept jesus christ as your personal savior..
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> > I see the Us has passed a new law giving the military
> > complete authority with out fear of the Justice system..  it will be a
> > while  but before long the USA will become a military dictatorship..  A sad
> > moment in US history.  I think this is a result of the Occupy movement
> > putting fear into the Banksters ,,  lead by the wealth of the Republican
> > party and the 1% knowing the people are right and being afraid that they
> > have been caught and unwilling to give up power..
> > Allan
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> > On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:28 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=killing-one-...

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> >> I believe most of our "economic" problems are really moral ones.  The
> >> problem is most of what "morality" is is just so much turkey.  The
> >> problem expressed in the link above is whether to divert a train that
> >> will kill 5 innocent people to another line where it will kill only
> >> one innocent person.  90% of us divert the train in a simulation.
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> >> Moral problems as posed to me in real life have never been so simple.
> >> I won't go into them here but can hint.  In the UK's internal war in
> >> Northern Ireland I was asked to do appalling things with informants
> >> (and via pressuring wives and families) - the excuse was 'the greater
> >> good'.  I know now I was conned.
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> >> What might a modern morality of the greater good be?  What are the
> >> problems with "morality" and how might we fix them.  The Saudis are
> >> putting forward interesting extremes such as allowing women to drive
> >> cars 'bringing about' all sorts of corruption like homosexuality and
> >> adultery.  What of the role of madness, rationalisation and the clown
> >> zealot in morality?  And what role do facts play?
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> >> The train example is easy - but what if the person on the other line
> >> is your son or daughter?  Would you shoot a child suicide bomber
> >> advancing into a crowded area if you had time to run to her and only
> >> put your life at risk?  Do you really think your performance in the
> >> field would match that in thought experiment?
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> > |_D Allan
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> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> |_D Allan
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> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.

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Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.