[Mind's Eye] Re: The Greater Good

I feel just the opposite. Clarity expands with age. But it's too late-
and there's the hard grief.

On Dec 5, 2:27 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You must have discovered how muh harder it gets to thread the eye of a
> needle as the simplicity of youth fades Allan!
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> On Dec 5, 4:35 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > II just received from a friend of mine and Tim always makes me think..  It
> >  really suddenly dawned on me (I can be all wet) is the suppose of religion
> > is not really for salvation and the nest life but in reality is to teach
> > morality.
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> > It seems that the churches to day give a quick brush over morality and the
> > get to the work of salvation.. and the next life.. I am laughing to my self
> >  because if you lose morality you lose salvation. The greatest problems of
> > this day are the lose of morality  and the teaching of morality,,  It seems
> > the teaching of morality is for the other guy but the rules of morality do
> > not apply to me.
> > Allan
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> > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Well  sadly Ireland is good of a country giving away what is not theirs to
> > > start off with..
> > > and you are right most of the problems are moral ones.
> > >  religious leaders are as much fault  as they no longer teach morality in
> > > their fundamentalism,,  but rather in christianity's case all is for given
> > > if you accept jesus christ as your personal savior..
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> > > I see the Us has passed a new law giving the military
> > > complete authority with out fear of the Justice system..  it will be a
> > > while  but before long the USA will become a military dictatorship..  A sad
> > > moment in US history.  I think this is a result of the Occupy movement
> > > putting fear into the Banksters ,,  lead by the wealth of the Republican
> > > party and the 1% knowing the people are right and being afraid that they
> > > have been caught and unwilling to give up power..
> > > Allan
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> > > On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:28 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >>http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=killing-one-...
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> > >> I believe most of our "economic" problems are really moral ones.  The
> > >> problem is most of what "morality" is is just so much turkey.  The
> > >> problem expressed in the link above is whether to divert a train that
> > >> will kill 5 innocent people to another line where it will kill only
> > >> one innocent person.  90% of us divert the train in a simulation.
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> > >> Moral problems as posed to me in real life have never been so simple.
> > >> I won't go into them here but can hint.  In the UK's internal war in
> > >> Northern Ireland I was asked to do appalling things with informants
> > >> (and via pressuring wives and families) - the excuse was 'the greater
> > >> good'.  I know now I was conned.
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> > >> What might a modern morality of the greater good be?  What are the
> > >> problems with "morality" and how might we fix them.  The Saudis are
> > >> putting forward interesting extremes such as allowing women to drive
> > >> cars 'bringing about' all sorts of corruption like homosexuality and
> > >> adultery.  What of the role of madness, rationalisation and the clown
> > >> zealot in morality?  And what role do facts play?
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> > >> The train example is easy - but what if the person on the other line
> > >> is your son or daughter?  Would you shoot a child suicide bomber
> > >> advancing into a crowded area if you had time to run to her and only
> > >> put your life at risk?  Do you really think your performance in the
> > >> field would match that in thought experiment?
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> > > --
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> > >   )
> > > |_D Allan
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> > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> >  (
> >   )
> > |_D Allan
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