Well then, reckon we should all grab shovels, yes?
On Oct 4, 2011 9:03 AM, "archytas" <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
> I guess my picture of normal, Chris, would be of an ostrich with its
> head in the sand - these being the people not doing occupation.
>
> On Oct 4, 8:41 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It is good to see you again Chris and Don..
>>
>> I was thinking (I know a rare event) last night only to have the topic
>> return this morning..
>>
>> After watching all the demonstrations some thing emerged that does not make
>> sense to me nor do I understand. maybe some one can straighten me out..
>>
>> He goes: If I invest my money in a company say Sky Cat (I like the idea) I
>> am hoping the company will go on to produce me a profit by manufacturing the
>> air type craft. They have my money, I have a share of their company
>> because they control my money..
>>
>> Now if I give a "Bank" control of my money they do not in return give me a
>> share of their stock like a normal company does.. they invest both their
>> money and my money and I have no problem with that,, what I have a problem
>> with is the sharing of the profits.. if there is a profit their share of the
>> money makes more money than mine,, but if they lose money It is my money
>> that is lost not theirs..
>>
>> Even if I put money in a simple savings account,, it is investing in the
>> bank.. and what I am seeing is a group if people who think the laws of
>> economics and moral responsibility. If they lose money,, because they are
>> the ones in control morally they should be taking the greater share of the
>> lose.. and that includes the stock market..
>> Allan
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Chris Jenkins <digitalprecip...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Leaving moderation behind has made it feel like a whole new list for me. :D
>>
>> > I too am worried about undue influence coopting the cause, but I think
>> > that's an inevitability of any populist movement. Even the Egyptians are
>> > warily eyeing their "liberated" government. I just hope some good is
>> > accomplished along the way.
>> > On Oct 3, 2011 7:15 PM, "Don Johnson" <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > I'm very glad to see your august presence back amongst these humble
>> > boards
>> > > Chris.
>>
>> > > The self portraits of 99%s with notes describing themselves affected me
>> > > somewhat. Some are easy to dismiss as whiny but many are obviously
>> > feeling
>> > > the same pain I see in family and friends around me. It literally puts a
>> > > face, many faces actually, on our problems. I'm very glad folks like you
>> > are
>> > > out there recording these times. I mean that because I see in you someone
>> > > without a particular agenda other then improvement. I have never seen you
>> > as
>> > > someone that ignores or tries to cover up obvious discrepancies in what
>> > > politicians say and what they do. I find your support of Ron Paul
>> > > refreshing. While I disagree with many of his policies the thing I most
>> > > admire about him is his consistency. There are few things our President
>> > has
>> > > done I approve of but killing terrorists is at the top of the list. Ron
>> > is
>> > > wrong on this.
>>
>> > > Now, with the ass kissing portion of my post out of the way, let's get to
>> > > the Occupy(pickyourplace) kerfuffle. I made the observation in a post on
>> > G+
>> > > that this may be one of those times when you see Tea Partiers marching
>> > next
>> > > to Code Pinkers. Nobody likes corp. welfare and high unemployment except
>> > for
>> > > the lobbyists and politicians that engineer it. Even they don't like it
>> > when
>> > > they get caught. On the one hand I'm glad folks are "doing something" but
>> > on
>> > > the other I'm concerned with what seems to be unions trying to highjack
>> > the
>> > > movement for their own selfish ends. They are some of the biggest causes
>> > of
>> > > our current crisis. Just read s story how GM has thousands of Volts
>> > sitting
>> > > around not getting sold. This is what happens when government builds your
>> > > cars or your solar panels. Somebody else always makes them better AND
>> > > cheaper. My concern is most of those 'protesting' don't see things quite
>> > the
>> > > same way I do. Far too many are on the Class Warfare path and this
>> > disturbs
>> > > me. I have no beef with the rich. In fact, I appreciate that they pay the
>> > > most and give the most. I hate favoritism and that is what government
>> > > control and the punish/reward aspect of taxation is all about. I hate it.
>> > > It's why I like Herman Cain's 'plan' of 9-9-9 better then anything else
>> > > anybody has come up with. Getting rid of ALL the loopholes for the very
>> > > wealthy would be awesome. It's galling to find out some of the most
>> > ardent
>> > > celebrity liberal supporters have much of their wealth sheltered from
>> > taxes.
>> > > Smart but hugely hypocritical. That said the rich aren't the problem, our
>> > > screwy tax laws and a political class bent on pork and back scratching
>> > and
>> > > huge, mind numbing waste are. I agree we need to clean house in
>> > Washington
>> > > but I fear most of those in the streets would disagree with me who the
>> > major
>> > > culprits are.
>>
>> > > As usual, Rigs makes the most sense of all the comments here. While I'm
>> > not
>> > > a supporter of the status quo exactly I do have a substantial amount of
>> > my
>> > > retirement in the market and T-bills. The required destruction of our
>> > > current system to come up with something more to Archy's taste I'm scared
>> > to
>> > > death of. That's what crazy people like George Soros want. That's not for
>> > > me. A more vigilant FTC and massive simplification of the tax code I
>> > would
>> > > welcome.
>>
>> > > Thems my thoughts but I'm keeping an open mind.
>>
>> > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:42 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >> Ok, let's settle for rule #10! :)
>>
>> > >> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Chris Jenkins <
>> > digitalprecip...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> > >>> Fantastic link, Gabby! I especially like number 10. :D
>>
>> > >>> No, by normalcy, I meant that the media focus to date has been on the
>> > >>> counterculture types mostly, while ignoring those in business casual
>> > attire.
>> > >>> It makes it easy for the audience at large to be separate from them. I
>> > want
>> > >>> to show the world how many of their PEERS are there, coworkers,
>> > colleagues,
>> > >>> classmates...I want them to see that this isn't just some angry washed
>> > out
>> > >>> hippies, but an actual populist uprising comprised of their friends and
>> > >>> neighbors.
>>
>> > >>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:57 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > >>>> Ah, Chris, let me make clear that we understand that the "normal"
>> > >>>> American media is employing this technique of "creating a sense of
>> > >>>> connection" which worries us here across the pond. We therefore
>> > >>>> welcome independent views in the U.S. What you'd call "left" is still
>> > very
>> > >>>> much "right" for our senses. What you call normalcy is what we often
>> > >>>> perceive as extremely ignorant.
>>
>> > >>>> Let me give you an example of how we believe you need to take photos
>> > that
>> > >>>> deserve the label "independent":
>> > >>>>http://www.lomography.com/about/the-ten-golden-rules
>>
>> > >>>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Chris Jenkins <
>> > >>>> digitalprecip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >>>>> Danke, Gabby! There's a general sense of marginalization about the
>> > >>>>> group, and I'm hoping to capture the normalcy of the
>> > protesters...create a
>> > >>>>> sense of connection.
>> > >>>>> On Oct 3, 2011 11:50 AM, "gabbydott" <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>> > Cheers, Chris! Documenting and sharing what you see as happening is
>> > a
>> > >>>>> good
>> > >>>>> > thing, I find.
>>
>> > >>>>> > It is very much of THE thing to do today, to gather with people who
>> > >>>>> share
>> > >>>>> > one's own view to demonstrate one's enlarged physical mass. I don't
>> > >>>>> think
>> > >>>>> > that it is smarter than finding new ways of fair communication
>> > >>>>> beforehand,
>> > >>>>> > though.
>>
>> > >>>>> > But hey, we've had our share of "we are the people" pictures 22
>> > years
>> > >>>>> ago
>> > >>>>> > and we won. Go ahead and do it the American (occupying) Style!
>> > Learn
>> > >>>>> to take
>> > >>>>> > scalps if you must but leave the heads on!
>>
>> > >>>>> > On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 2:57 AM, Chris Jenkins <
>> > >>>>> digitalprecip...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> > >>>>> >> So what do you all think of the various regional Occupy groups
>> > >>>>> springing up
>> > >>>>> >> around the US, emulating OccupyWallStreet? I'm going out to
>> > >>>>> OccupyTampa on
>> > >>>>> >> Thursday to do some independent media photography, but am curious
>> > >>>>> about the
>> > >>>>> >> perception of the country and world at large.
>>
>> --
>> (
>> )
>> |_D Allan
>>
>> If your life is not going right, try making a left turn
>>
>> life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
> I guess my picture of normal, Chris, would be of an ostrich with its
> head in the sand - these being the people not doing occupation.
>
> On Oct 4, 8:41 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It is good to see you again Chris and Don..
>>
>> I was thinking (I know a rare event) last night only to have the topic
>> return this morning..
>>
>> After watching all the demonstrations some thing emerged that does not make
>> sense to me nor do I understand. maybe some one can straighten me out..
>>
>> He goes: If I invest my money in a company say Sky Cat (I like the idea) I
>> am hoping the company will go on to produce me a profit by manufacturing the
>> air type craft. They have my money, I have a share of their company
>> because they control my money..
>>
>> Now if I give a "Bank" control of my money they do not in return give me a
>> share of their stock like a normal company does.. they invest both their
>> money and my money and I have no problem with that,, what I have a problem
>> with is the sharing of the profits.. if there is a profit their share of the
>> money makes more money than mine,, but if they lose money It is my money
>> that is lost not theirs..
>>
>> Even if I put money in a simple savings account,, it is investing in the
>> bank.. and what I am seeing is a group if people who think the laws of
>> economics and moral responsibility. If they lose money,, because they are
>> the ones in control morally they should be taking the greater share of the
>> lose.. and that includes the stock market..
>> Allan
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Chris Jenkins <digitalprecip...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Leaving moderation behind has made it feel like a whole new list for me. :D
>>
>> > I too am worried about undue influence coopting the cause, but I think
>> > that's an inevitability of any populist movement. Even the Egyptians are
>> > warily eyeing their "liberated" government. I just hope some good is
>> > accomplished along the way.
>> > On Oct 3, 2011 7:15 PM, "Don Johnson" <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > I'm very glad to see your august presence back amongst these humble
>> > boards
>> > > Chris.
>>
>> > > The self portraits of 99%s with notes describing themselves affected me
>> > > somewhat. Some are easy to dismiss as whiny but many are obviously
>> > feeling
>> > > the same pain I see in family and friends around me. It literally puts a
>> > > face, many faces actually, on our problems. I'm very glad folks like you
>> > are
>> > > out there recording these times. I mean that because I see in you someone
>> > > without a particular agenda other then improvement. I have never seen you
>> > as
>> > > someone that ignores or tries to cover up obvious discrepancies in what
>> > > politicians say and what they do. I find your support of Ron Paul
>> > > refreshing. While I disagree with many of his policies the thing I most
>> > > admire about him is his consistency. There are few things our President
>> > has
>> > > done I approve of but killing terrorists is at the top of the list. Ron
>> > is
>> > > wrong on this.
>>
>> > > Now, with the ass kissing portion of my post out of the way, let's get to
>> > > the Occupy(pickyourplace) kerfuffle. I made the observation in a post on
>> > G+
>> > > that this may be one of those times when you see Tea Partiers marching
>> > next
>> > > to Code Pinkers. Nobody likes corp. welfare and high unemployment except
>> > for
>> > > the lobbyists and politicians that engineer it. Even they don't like it
>> > when
>> > > they get caught. On the one hand I'm glad folks are "doing something" but
>> > on
>> > > the other I'm concerned with what seems to be unions trying to highjack
>> > the
>> > > movement for their own selfish ends. They are some of the biggest causes
>> > of
>> > > our current crisis. Just read s story how GM has thousands of Volts
>> > sitting
>> > > around not getting sold. This is what happens when government builds your
>> > > cars or your solar panels. Somebody else always makes them better AND
>> > > cheaper. My concern is most of those 'protesting' don't see things quite
>> > the
>> > > same way I do. Far too many are on the Class Warfare path and this
>> > disturbs
>> > > me. I have no beef with the rich. In fact, I appreciate that they pay the
>> > > most and give the most. I hate favoritism and that is what government
>> > > control and the punish/reward aspect of taxation is all about. I hate it.
>> > > It's why I like Herman Cain's 'plan' of 9-9-9 better then anything else
>> > > anybody has come up with. Getting rid of ALL the loopholes for the very
>> > > wealthy would be awesome. It's galling to find out some of the most
>> > ardent
>> > > celebrity liberal supporters have much of their wealth sheltered from
>> > taxes.
>> > > Smart but hugely hypocritical. That said the rich aren't the problem, our
>> > > screwy tax laws and a political class bent on pork and back scratching
>> > and
>> > > huge, mind numbing waste are. I agree we need to clean house in
>> > Washington
>> > > but I fear most of those in the streets would disagree with me who the
>> > major
>> > > culprits are.
>>
>> > > As usual, Rigs makes the most sense of all the comments here. While I'm
>> > not
>> > > a supporter of the status quo exactly I do have a substantial amount of
>> > my
>> > > retirement in the market and T-bills. The required destruction of our
>> > > current system to come up with something more to Archy's taste I'm scared
>> > to
>> > > death of. That's what crazy people like George Soros want. That's not for
>> > > me. A more vigilant FTC and massive simplification of the tax code I
>> > would
>> > > welcome.
>>
>> > > Thems my thoughts but I'm keeping an open mind.
>>
>> > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:42 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >> Ok, let's settle for rule #10! :)
>>
>> > >> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Chris Jenkins <
>> > digitalprecip...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> > >>> Fantastic link, Gabby! I especially like number 10. :D
>>
>> > >>> No, by normalcy, I meant that the media focus to date has been on the
>> > >>> counterculture types mostly, while ignoring those in business casual
>> > attire.
>> > >>> It makes it easy for the audience at large to be separate from them. I
>> > want
>> > >>> to show the world how many of their PEERS are there, coworkers,
>> > colleagues,
>> > >>> classmates...I want them to see that this isn't just some angry washed
>> > out
>> > >>> hippies, but an actual populist uprising comprised of their friends and
>> > >>> neighbors.
>>
>> > >>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:57 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > >>>> Ah, Chris, let me make clear that we understand that the "normal"
>> > >>>> American media is employing this technique of "creating a sense of
>> > >>>> connection" which worries us here across the pond. We therefore
>> > >>>> welcome independent views in the U.S. What you'd call "left" is still
>> > very
>> > >>>> much "right" for our senses. What you call normalcy is what we often
>> > >>>> perceive as extremely ignorant.
>>
>> > >>>> Let me give you an example of how we believe you need to take photos
>> > that
>> > >>>> deserve the label "independent":
>> > >>>>http://www.lomography.com/about/the-ten-golden-rules
>>
>> > >>>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Chris Jenkins <
>> > >>>> digitalprecip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >>>>> Danke, Gabby! There's a general sense of marginalization about the
>> > >>>>> group, and I'm hoping to capture the normalcy of the
>> > protesters...create a
>> > >>>>> sense of connection.
>> > >>>>> On Oct 3, 2011 11:50 AM, "gabbydott" <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>> > Cheers, Chris! Documenting and sharing what you see as happening is
>> > a
>> > >>>>> good
>> > >>>>> > thing, I find.
>>
>> > >>>>> > It is very much of THE thing to do today, to gather with people who
>> > >>>>> share
>> > >>>>> > one's own view to demonstrate one's enlarged physical mass. I don't
>> > >>>>> think
>> > >>>>> > that it is smarter than finding new ways of fair communication
>> > >>>>> beforehand,
>> > >>>>> > though.
>>
>> > >>>>> > But hey, we've had our share of "we are the people" pictures 22
>> > years
>> > >>>>> ago
>> > >>>>> > and we won. Go ahead and do it the American (occupying) Style!
>> > Learn
>> > >>>>> to take
>> > >>>>> > scalps if you must but leave the heads on!
>>
>> > >>>>> > On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 2:57 AM, Chris Jenkins <
>> > >>>>> digitalprecip...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> > >>>>> >> So what do you all think of the various regional Occupy groups
>> > >>>>> springing up
>> > >>>>> >> around the US, emulating OccupyWallStreet? I'm going out to
>> > >>>>> OccupyTampa on
>> > >>>>> >> Thursday to do some independent media photography, but am curious
>> > >>>>> about the
>> > >>>>> >> perception of the country and world at large.
>>
>> --
>> (
>> )
>> |_D Allan
>>
>> If your life is not going right, try making a left turn
>>
>> life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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