Leaving moderation behind has made it feel like a whole new list for me. :D
I too am worried about undue influence coopting the cause, but I think that's an inevitability of any populist movement. Even the Egyptians are warily eyeing their "liberated" government. I just hope some good is accomplished along the way.
On Oct 3, 2011 7:15 PM, "Don Johnson" <dajohn@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm very glad to see your august presence back amongst these humble boards
> Chris.
>
> The self portraits of 99%s with notes describing themselves affected me
> somewhat. Some are easy to dismiss as whiny but many are obviously feeling
> the same pain I see in family and friends around me. It literally puts a
> face, many faces actually, on our problems. I'm very glad folks like you are
> out there recording these times. I mean that because I see in you someone
> without a particular agenda other then improvement. I have never seen you as
> someone that ignores or tries to cover up obvious discrepancies in what
> politicians say and what they do. I find your support of Ron Paul
> refreshing. While I disagree with many of his policies the thing I most
> admire about him is his consistency. There are few things our President has
> done I approve of but killing terrorists is at the top of the list. Ron is
> wrong on this.
>
> Now, with the ass kissing portion of my post out of the way, let's get to
> the Occupy(pickyourplace) kerfuffle. I made the observation in a post on G+
> that this may be one of those times when you see Tea Partiers marching next
> to Code Pinkers. Nobody likes corp. welfare and high unemployment except for
> the lobbyists and politicians that engineer it. Even they don't like it when
> they get caught. On the one hand I'm glad folks are "doing something" but on
> the other I'm concerned with what seems to be unions trying to highjack the
> movement for their own selfish ends. They are some of the biggest causes of
> our current crisis. Just read s story how GM has thousands of Volts sitting
> around not getting sold. This is what happens when government builds your
> cars or your solar panels. Somebody else always makes them better AND
> cheaper. My concern is most of those 'protesting' don't see things quite the
> same way I do. Far too many are on the Class Warfare path and this disturbs
> me. I have no beef with the rich. In fact, I appreciate that they pay the
> most and give the most. I hate favoritism and that is what government
> control and the punish/reward aspect of taxation is all about. I hate it.
> It's why I like Herman Cain's 'plan' of 9-9-9 better then anything else
> anybody has come up with. Getting rid of ALL the loopholes for the very
> wealthy would be awesome. It's galling to find out some of the most ardent
> celebrity liberal supporters have much of their wealth sheltered from taxes.
> Smart but hugely hypocritical. That said the rich aren't the problem, our
> screwy tax laws and a political class bent on pork and back scratching and
> huge, mind numbing waste are. I agree we need to clean house in Washington
> but I fear most of those in the streets would disagree with me who the major
> culprits are.
>
> As usual, Rigs makes the most sense of all the comments here. While I'm not
> a supporter of the status quo exactly I do have a substantial amount of my
> retirement in the market and T-bills. The required destruction of our
> current system to come up with something more to Archy's taste I'm scared to
> death of. That's what crazy people like George Soros want. That's not for
> me. A more vigilant FTC and massive simplification of the tax code I would
> welcome.
>
> Thems my thoughts but I'm keeping an open mind.
>
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:42 PM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok, let's settle for rule #10! :)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Chris Jenkins <digitalprecipice@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Fantastic link, Gabby! I especially like number 10. :D
>>>
>>> No, by normalcy, I meant that the media focus to date has been on the
>>> counterculture types mostly, while ignoring those in business casual attire.
>>> It makes it easy for the audience at large to be separate from them. I want
>>> to show the world how many of their PEERS are there, coworkers, colleagues,
>>> classmates...I want them to see that this isn't just some angry washed out
>>> hippies, but an actual populist uprising comprised of their friends and
>>> neighbors.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:57 PM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah, Chris, let me make clear that we understand that the "normal"
>>>> American media is employing this technique of "creating a sense of
>>>> connection" which worries us here across the pond. We therefore
>>>> welcome independent views in the U.S. What you'd call "left" is still very
>>>> much "right" for our senses. What you call normalcy is what we often
>>>> perceive as extremely ignorant.
>>>>
>>>> Let me give you an example of how we believe you need to take photos that
>>>> deserve the label "independent":
>>>> http://www.lomography.com/about/the-ten-golden-rules
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Chris Jenkins <
>>>> digitalprecipice@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Danke, Gabby! There's a general sense of marginalization about the
>>>>> group, and I'm hoping to capture the normalcy of the protesters...create a
>>>>> sense of connection.
>>>>> On Oct 3, 2011 11:50 AM, "gabbydott" <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > Cheers, Chris! Documenting and sharing what you see as happening is a
>>>>> good
>>>>> > thing, I find.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > It is very much of THE thing to do today, to gather with people who
>>>>> share
>>>>> > one's own view to demonstrate one's enlarged physical mass. I don't
>>>>> think
>>>>> > that it is smarter than finding new ways of fair communication
>>>>> beforehand,
>>>>> > though.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > But hey, we've had our share of "we are the people" pictures 22 years
>>>>> ago
>>>>> > and we won. Go ahead and do it the American (occupying) Style! Learn
>>>>> to take
>>>>> > scalps if you must but leave the heads on!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 2:57 AM, Chris Jenkins <
>>>>> digitalprecipice@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> So what do you all think of the various regional Occupy groups
>>>>> springing up
>>>>> >> around the US, emulating OccupyWallStreet? I'm going out to
>>>>> OccupyTampa on
>>>>> >> Thursday to do some independent media photography, but am curious
>>>>> about the
>>>>> >> perception of the country and world at large.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> I'm very glad to see your august presence back amongst these humble boards
> Chris.
>
> The self portraits of 99%s with notes describing themselves affected me
> somewhat. Some are easy to dismiss as whiny but many are obviously feeling
> the same pain I see in family and friends around me. It literally puts a
> face, many faces actually, on our problems. I'm very glad folks like you are
> out there recording these times. I mean that because I see in you someone
> without a particular agenda other then improvement. I have never seen you as
> someone that ignores or tries to cover up obvious discrepancies in what
> politicians say and what they do. I find your support of Ron Paul
> refreshing. While I disagree with many of his policies the thing I most
> admire about him is his consistency. There are few things our President has
> done I approve of but killing terrorists is at the top of the list. Ron is
> wrong on this.
>
> Now, with the ass kissing portion of my post out of the way, let's get to
> the Occupy(pickyourplace) kerfuffle. I made the observation in a post on G+
> that this may be one of those times when you see Tea Partiers marching next
> to Code Pinkers. Nobody likes corp. welfare and high unemployment except for
> the lobbyists and politicians that engineer it. Even they don't like it when
> they get caught. On the one hand I'm glad folks are "doing something" but on
> the other I'm concerned with what seems to be unions trying to highjack the
> movement for their own selfish ends. They are some of the biggest causes of
> our current crisis. Just read s story how GM has thousands of Volts sitting
> around not getting sold. This is what happens when government builds your
> cars or your solar panels. Somebody else always makes them better AND
> cheaper. My concern is most of those 'protesting' don't see things quite the
> same way I do. Far too many are on the Class Warfare path and this disturbs
> me. I have no beef with the rich. In fact, I appreciate that they pay the
> most and give the most. I hate favoritism and that is what government
> control and the punish/reward aspect of taxation is all about. I hate it.
> It's why I like Herman Cain's 'plan' of 9-9-9 better then anything else
> anybody has come up with. Getting rid of ALL the loopholes for the very
> wealthy would be awesome. It's galling to find out some of the most ardent
> celebrity liberal supporters have much of their wealth sheltered from taxes.
> Smart but hugely hypocritical. That said the rich aren't the problem, our
> screwy tax laws and a political class bent on pork and back scratching and
> huge, mind numbing waste are. I agree we need to clean house in Washington
> but I fear most of those in the streets would disagree with me who the major
> culprits are.
>
> As usual, Rigs makes the most sense of all the comments here. While I'm not
> a supporter of the status quo exactly I do have a substantial amount of my
> retirement in the market and T-bills. The required destruction of our
> current system to come up with something more to Archy's taste I'm scared to
> death of. That's what crazy people like George Soros want. That's not for
> me. A more vigilant FTC and massive simplification of the tax code I would
> welcome.
>
> Thems my thoughts but I'm keeping an open mind.
>
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:42 PM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok, let's settle for rule #10! :)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Chris Jenkins <digitalprecipice@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Fantastic link, Gabby! I especially like number 10. :D
>>>
>>> No, by normalcy, I meant that the media focus to date has been on the
>>> counterculture types mostly, while ignoring those in business casual attire.
>>> It makes it easy for the audience at large to be separate from them. I want
>>> to show the world how many of their PEERS are there, coworkers, colleagues,
>>> classmates...I want them to see that this isn't just some angry washed out
>>> hippies, but an actual populist uprising comprised of their friends and
>>> neighbors.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:57 PM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah, Chris, let me make clear that we understand that the "normal"
>>>> American media is employing this technique of "creating a sense of
>>>> connection" which worries us here across the pond. We therefore
>>>> welcome independent views in the U.S. What you'd call "left" is still very
>>>> much "right" for our senses. What you call normalcy is what we often
>>>> perceive as extremely ignorant.
>>>>
>>>> Let me give you an example of how we believe you need to take photos that
>>>> deserve the label "independent":
>>>> http://www.lomography.com/about/the-ten-golden-rules
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Chris Jenkins <
>>>> digitalprecipice@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Danke, Gabby! There's a general sense of marginalization about the
>>>>> group, and I'm hoping to capture the normalcy of the protesters...create a
>>>>> sense of connection.
>>>>> On Oct 3, 2011 11:50 AM, "gabbydott" <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > Cheers, Chris! Documenting and sharing what you see as happening is a
>>>>> good
>>>>> > thing, I find.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > It is very much of THE thing to do today, to gather with people who
>>>>> share
>>>>> > one's own view to demonstrate one's enlarged physical mass. I don't
>>>>> think
>>>>> > that it is smarter than finding new ways of fair communication
>>>>> beforehand,
>>>>> > though.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > But hey, we've had our share of "we are the people" pictures 22 years
>>>>> ago
>>>>> > and we won. Go ahead and do it the American (occupying) Style! Learn
>>>>> to take
>>>>> > scalps if you must but leave the heads on!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 2:57 AM, Chris Jenkins <
>>>>> digitalprecipice@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> So what do you all think of the various regional Occupy groups
>>>>> springing up
>>>>> >> around the US, emulating OccupyWallStreet? I'm going out to
>>>>> OccupyTampa on
>>>>> >> Thursday to do some independent media photography, but am curious
>>>>> about the
>>>>> >> perception of the country and world at large.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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