> *laughing* I think that Gabs was insinuating I was about to re-enter the
> moderation fray. As it turns out, that is incorrect. I have completely
> removed myself from any form of moderation or ownership. As I mentioned the
> last time around, I was far too disconnected from the daily going-ons to be
> effective in that role.
>
A revelation to me. As I've been away for so long, I had no idea
you'd backed out of moderation...so to speak. You're still included
in the acknowledgement section of my book, though. I've given
ackowledgement to both those who have agreed with me and disagreed and
those who gave good argument. Heck, I even acknowledged Chaz. I'm
not the kind of guy who holds grudges or thinks that I'm going to get
universal popularity. Not even recognised prophets got universal
appeal. No, I reckon my book will anger quite a few and, because of
that, others will want to know why some were angered. That alongside
those who are truly behind the concepts of theoretical physics and
that science could actually support religious belief ought to ensure a
reasonable amount of buying.
> Now it's in the hands of others, and I'm free to pop in from time to time
> without dealing with moderation issues...unless, of course, I were to be
> banned. :)
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 25, 7:39 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Ah, Mr Putin is preparing to reenter the stage light! Voting for a
> > natural
> > > death is indeed ridiculous in the eternal presence of God.
>
> > Putin is Russia's answer to G. H. W. Bush. In other words, he's the
> > man behind the puppets. Actually, they're muppets, because the
> > strings come from below rather than above!! Nevertheless, Bush Sr.
> > and Putin call the shots in their respective countries. The facts
> > abour Bush are all laid out in an appendix of my book. The whole
> > story of how the power moved from Hoover's FBI to Bush's CIA. It WILL
> > stir up trouble, but there's no such thing as bad publicity!!
>
> > > If I was in power, I'd learn to see rants as rants against my own power
> > > position - is this how you are trying to impress others? Now guess who I
> > > think is looking ridiculous. But I promise I won't go into details. Go
> > on,
> > > my American Hero, clean the group from unwanted, unsupportive,
> > unproductive,
> > > degenerated elements and get it going to how it used to when you still
> > had
> > > full control over what was happening here!
>
> > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Chris Jenkins
> > > <digitalprecip...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > God I hate banning people.
>
> > > > I seriously, seriously do. It's a win for martyred trolls. It
> > accomplishes
> > > > silencing disruptive input, but create further division and animosity
> > (much
> > > > like Gab's oft descriptions of my jack booted thuggery).
>
> > > > I've asked Orn for a detailed explanation of the banning. It's a heavy
> > > > hammer, and I'd like to understand why it happened before making any
> > further
> > > > decisions regarding group management.
>
> > > > Chaz contributed much to this conversation, and I was sincerely
> > regretful
> > > > that I had to ban him. His absolute refusal to engage in civil
> > conversation,
> > > > and instead to flame incessantly, forced our hand. Craig and I debated
> > it at
> > > > length; those who were around then may recall he was put on moderation
> > twice
> > > > prior to being banned.
>
> > > > Despite not having anywhere near the time necessary to be a meaningful
> > > > contributor to this group, I still want it to flourish. I believe
> > important
> > > > conversations have been held here, and archived in perpetuity through
> > > > Google's group pages. Contributors like Neil provide the opportunity to
> > > > speak directly with a Bukowski, a Thomas; Francis Hunt has given me a
> > fine
> > > > education in the history of the Catholic Church in Europe, and western
> > > > religious politics; Pat has melted my brain with Yeti-Phi-Tau space and
> > > > inside out tesseracts. The thought of Minds Eye losing contributors
> > like
> > > > that pains me greatly. I still miss my squabbles with Atalante...she
> > was
> > > > another Professorial type whose vast knowledge and experience made me
> > feel
> > > > lucky to be part of this group.
>
> > > > I'm reading through threads now, trying to catch up. I wanted
> > management
> > > > questions to be resolved when I initially posted, and it seems that the
> > lack
> > > > of a clear direction then has led to a further breakdown now. Let's get
> > it
> > > > resolved once and for all.
>
> > > > Oh, and Gabby, I'm tempted sometimes to make YOU the owner of the
> > > > group...I'd love to see the threads where you ranted against yourself.
> > :D
>
> > > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:17 AM, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com
> > >wrote:
>
> > > >> On Sep 23, 12:20 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > I was asked to moderate but had to decline on time. Does the fact
> > I'm
> > > >> > selling tickets to the pissing match between Molly and Gabby accord
> > me
> > > >> > a ban? Our mannered society is often the 'rotten State of Denmark'.
> > > >> > This group is less interesting without Chaz and Allan. I wonder
> > about
> > > >> > us if we can't be more tolerant. If Allan did something bad enough
> > > >> > for a ban I'd probably want to go and see if he was OK.
>
> > > >> Ahh, yes...I don't want to forget Chaz!!! I'm all for crediting even
> > > >> those who disagreed!!
>
> > > >> > On Sep 23, 12:03 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > I hardly want to lose my odd contact with you Gabby and I really
> > like
> > > >> > > Orn.
>
> > > >> > > On Sep 16, 7:17 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > > This is unacceptable.
>
> > > >> > > > Neil, and who else is not willing to keep on engaging here under
> > > >> these
> > > >> > > > circumstances, could we please try to let common sense win?
>
> > > >> > > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:43 AM, ornamentalmind <
> > > >> ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com
>
> > > >> > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > > gabby, thanks for the response. That is what I had guessed
> > about
> > > >> you
> > > >> > > > > and Vam but wanted to be sure since you brought it up.
>
> > > >> > > > > Allan is banned from Minds Eye.
>
> > > >> > > > > On Sep 15, 1:57 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > > > > > No, Orn, not feeling attacked by Vam but being attacked by
> > Vam.
> > > >> But I am
> > > >> > > > > > able to stand my man here, thank you.
>
> > > >> > > > > > What is Allan's current posting status, is what we'd like to
> > > >> know. Is he
> > > >> > > > > > being banned, set on moderation or have only some of his
> > posts
> > > >> been
> > > >> > > > > deleted?
> > > >> > > > > > Thank you for providing us with factual information to help
> > us
> > > >> increase
> > > >> > > > > the
> > > >> > > > > > level objectivity.
>
> > > >> > > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:31 PM, ornamentalmind <
> > > >> > > > > ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com
>
> > > >> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > > > > Moderation is and always has been subjective. It also is
> > not
> > > >> > > > > > > democratic no matter what pretense or trappings are added
> > to
> > > >> it.
>
> > > >> > > > > > > gabby, if you feel attacked by vam and want action, let me
> > > >> know
> > > >> > > > > > > specifically and I'll address it. I use judgement when it
> > > >> comes to
> > > >> > > > > > > individual cases.
>
> > > >> > > > > > > Vam, yes it is serious and I've never taken the
> > > >> task/responsibility
> > > >> > > > > > > lightly.
>
> > > >> > > > > > > Also Vam, as egalitarian as your suggested method appears
> > to
> > > >> be we are
> > > >> > > > > > > not about trials here.
>
> > > >> > > > > > > On Sep 15, 9:41 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > > > > > > > I believe banning is a serious matter.
>
> > > >> > > > > > > > I really have not kept track of what Allan has said or
> > done.
> > > >> In the
> > > >> > > > > > > > event, I feel there should be a separate thread titled :
> > Why
> > > >> > > > > so-and-so
> > > >> > > > > > > > deserves to be banned, by the Group rules !
>
> > > >> > > > > > > > The person can then be clearly charged, allowed to
> > respond,
> > > >> and a
> > > >> > > > > call
> > > >> > > > > > > > taken by the Moderator in full public view. Shouldn't be
> > > >> difficult.
> > > >> > > > > > > > After all you wouldn't be doing it every month.
>
> > > >> > > > > > > > On Sep 15, 8:24 pm, ornamentalmind <
> > > >> ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com>
> > > >> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > Vam, I deleted the offending posts. Allan himself knew
> > he
> > > >> had gone
> > > >> > > > > > > > > over the line and said so in one of his remaining
> > posts.
> > > >> He
> > > >> > > > > followed
> > > >> > > > > > > > > that one with more unprovoked direct attacks (self
> > > >> > > > > admitted/defined)
> > > >> > > > > > > > > upon me. He knew what he was doing and what the result
> > > >> would be.
>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > Evolution, freedom, acceptance and toleration include
> > self
> > > >> > > > > > > > > responsibility.
>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > On Sep 14, 10:33 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > If true, as Allan himself informs me, the act seems
> > > >> > > > > disproportionate,
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > a result of disbalanced mental process, and plain
> > gross,
> > > >> as in
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > absolute unfit for a Group comprising of such
> > evolved
> > > >> members who
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > believe in freedom, acceptance and toleration.
>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > I sure would like to hear the Moderator speak on
> > this
> > > >> matter.-
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