[Mind's Eye] Re: faster than light neutrinos

Hoi Pat the measurements were within 18 inches.. they did a lot to
verify the distance traveled.. it is just some particals are arriving
sooner than they should.
Allan

On Oct 3, 11:28 am, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> >http://www.universetoday.com/89407/particle-physics-and-faster-than-l...
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> > This link has a video with the best clarification I've heard.  One or
> > two might be interested.
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> > One idea I do like is that of neutrinos 'seeing' a different
> > geometry.  There are geometries in which distance is illusory. Knowing
> > all this I'll still be taking the train into town.  People at
> > Manchester 1864 don't think the results will hold, but are spinning
> > some examples of what would make sense assuming they are right.  I
> > always feel a bit of sadness when amongst scientists these days - it's
> > to do with how different the world of sane dialogue is compared with
> > everyday dross in which evidence is barely understood and reality
> > denied in favour of Idols.
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> > I've become a fan of Rosanne Barr's candidature for President.  Never
> > liked her show.  Neutrinos probably won't do much to Einstein's
> > stuff.  Quite why economic data hasn't got us thinking in more
> > primitive terms like hers I don't understand.  This is where the
> > detail and supposed links with theory drives me.  We remain medieval
> > in all except science.  Scientists do not proceed in very rational
> > ways and it seems odd to me we abstract a false notion of this into
> > our more social affairs.  The model of non-science "science" in
> > politics and journalism needs to be eradicated so that values,passion,
> > humour and compassion can flow without being shunned as
> > 'emotionalism'.  Tiny, abberant 'neutrinos' that might be tachyons
> > (with strange mass) can influence scientific thinking,yet years of
> > super-rich looting, war and more and more of our own in poverty hardly
> > cut muster amongst those in power.  I find this intolerable.  It's
> > like living in a world without data.
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> There are a couple of factors CERN needs to take into account before
> they can make any stong claims because the distance involved MUST be
> within 18 metres and the time within 60 nanoseconds, otherwise they've
> made a miscalculation. Firstly, were there any earth tremors between
> the last time they measured the distance and the time of the
> experiments that may have altered the distance.  Secondly, there is no
> way to tag a neutrino with a return address,  How do they know for
> certain that the neutrinos that struck the destination at Gran Sasso
> were, in fact, from CERN?  Given the background of billions of stars
> in our galaxy and including all the stars in other galaxies, there is
> every chance that one of these stars was lined up at just the right
> time to shoot a stream of neutrinos in just the right direction to
> land in Gran Sasso.  The fact that all stars can emit neutrinos in any
> direction at any time makes for countless sources of neutrinos and,
> with that, countless destinations.  As it is very difficult to stop a
> neutrino, there is every chance that the neutrinos that landed at Gran
> Sasso just prior to the expected time, were, in fact, from an
> unexpected source.  Proving or disproving that is nigh on impossible;
> so I put very little weight on this seemingly aberrant result,
> especially as a similar aberrant result happened in the States a few
> years back and it was discovered that, in truth, a miscalculation had
> been made by the scientists and the speed of light remained
> unchallenged.  We'll see.