[Mind's Eye] Re: faster than light neutrinos

On Oct 3, 9:28 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.universetoday.com/89407/particle-physics-and-faster-than-l...
>
> This link has a video with the best clarification I've heard.  One or
> two might be interested.
>
> One idea I do like is that of neutrinos 'seeing' a different
> geometry.  There are geometries in which distance is illusory. Knowing
> all this I'll still be taking the train into town.  People at
> Manchester 1864 don't think the results will hold, but are spinning
> some examples of what would make sense assuming they are right.  I
> always feel a bit of sadness when amongst scientists these days - it's
> to do with how different the world of sane dialogue is compared with
> everyday dross in which evidence is barely understood and reality
> denied in favour of Idols.
>
> I've become a fan of Rosanne Barr's candidature for President.  Never
> liked her show.  Neutrinos probably won't do much to Einstein's
> stuff.  Quite why economic data hasn't got us thinking in more
> primitive terms like hers I don't understand.  This is where the
> detail and supposed links with theory drives me.  We remain medieval
> in all except science.  Scientists do not proceed in very rational
> ways and it seems odd to me we abstract a false notion of this into
> our more social affairs.  The model of non-science "science" in
> politics and journalism needs to be eradicated so that values,passion,
> humour and compassion can flow without being shunned as
> 'emotionalism'.  Tiny, abberant 'neutrinos' that might be tachyons
> (with strange mass) can influence scientific thinking,yet years of
> super-rich looting, war and more and more of our own in poverty hardly
> cut muster amongst those in power.  I find this intolerable.  It's
> like living in a world without data.

There are a couple of factors CERN needs to take into account before
they can make any stong claims because the distance involved MUST be
within 18 metres and the time within 60 nanoseconds, otherwise they've
made a miscalculation. Firstly, were there any earth tremors between
the last time they measured the distance and the time of the
experiments that may have altered the distance. Secondly, there is no
way to tag a neutrino with a return address, How do they know for
certain that the neutrinos that struck the destination at Gran Sasso
were, in fact, from CERN? Given the background of billions of stars
in our galaxy and including all the stars in other galaxies, there is
every chance that one of these stars was lined up at just the right
time to shoot a stream of neutrinos in just the right direction to
land in Gran Sasso. The fact that all stars can emit neutrinos in any
direction at any time makes for countless sources of neutrinos and,
with that, countless destinations. As it is very difficult to stop a
neutrino, there is every chance that the neutrinos that landed at Gran
Sasso just prior to the expected time, were, in fact, from an
unexpected source. Proving or disproving that is nigh on impossible;
so I put very little weight on this seemingly aberrant result,
especially as a similar aberrant result happened in the States a few
years back and it was discovered that, in truth, a miscalculation had
been made by the scientists and the speed of light remained
unchallenged. We'll see.