Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Peggy Lee and Ella Fitzgerald and "eras" :-)

What has happened to the luvely British tradition of not leaving your car when you're out for a picknick? This determination of of not having anyone or anything spoiling your fun and the organisational structures built around this always achieved goal left me deeply impressed.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 7:41 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:

In Mexico City you can just wander out into life on the street
(evading drug people) and chat or dance with people you don't know.
Britain has become insular and everything a commodity.  Our typical
open space was in places like pubs - at any rate designed around
alcohol, cigarettes and music.  This has almost died out or is in the
violent death-throes of city centre booze miles.

On Jul 27, 1:46 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You sound like quite the world traveler already. What do you mean by
> "lack of community"?
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> Not that you need any advice, but do it sooner rather than later
> unless you travel light. :-)
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> On Jul 26, 2:34 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I'd like to live in France again, or most of Europe or even rural UK
> > to be honest.  I'm tired of the lack of community in England.
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> > On Jul 26, 12:46 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > At any rate, I doubt we will see their like again- ambition, grit,
> > > risk, etc. It probably ended after WWII and I think that is a feeling
> > > shared by Philip Roth- of all people!
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> > > On Jul 25, 8:14 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > I only liked the one song on a double cd! (French pop music) I felt
> > > > the same about the "new" French novel- post WWII. I did like Michel
> > > > Butor who seemed able to bridge tradition with the new. Even the
> > > > professor agreed with me- for a change! At any rate, I like French
> > > > food, fashion and elegance. My paternal grandmother was French- sweet
> > > > natured, petite, musical, beloved by her 8 sons and 1 daughter and a
> > > > contrast to her Scot-Irish mate- who also came from a family of 8 sons
> > > > and 1 daughter x 2 = 16 sons and 2 daughters via my great-grand-father
> > > > and 2 marriages. I reduced the equation to 3 sons and 1 daughter. My
> > > > daughter and I were mistaken as French in Paris and people were often
> > > > asking us for directions- somehow this pleased me.
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> > > > Someone must have taken that Julie London album long ago. I just
> > > > remember that one song- "Cry Me a River". I think mother bought the
> > > > album- she was a fan of Johnny Raye (?) who also had a weepy song.
> > > > Strange- since she wasn't one for ready tears. At any rate, life and
> > > > experience take a second look at lyrics, poetry, the arts and
> > > > understand in a new way vs. untried youth.
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> > > > At least you were making objects-inventing. Think of how people
> > > > attempt the same in other areas. Perhaps it is a human curse.
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> > > > On Jul 24, 12:41 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > Making useless objects out of something obsolete is a British curse.
> > > > > I feel now that some massive investment in plant and special equipment
> > > > > was needed - and I never made.  French pop music after the 50's is
> > > > > dire, though I like the more traditional scene there and used to know
> > > > > Johnny Halliday.  Julie London id one of those women I was 'too young
> > > > > to understand'.  I like the music now.
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> > > > > On Jul 24, 4:38 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > I meant vaudeville rather than burlesque. Hmm.
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> > > > > > On Jul 23, 10:30 pm, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com>
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> > > > > > >  I spent some length of time gathering more Cleo Laine songs...like I
> > > > > > > did for Sir John's death...but gave up. Those from 'the other side of
> > > > > > > the pond' may know her more...she is at least equal in talent IMV.
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> > > > > > > On Jul 23, 7:42 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > I'm up late - dawn soon.  My elder brother and sister had poor taste
> > > > > > > > so I got Lonnie Donegan and Sasha Distel singing 'My Old Man's a
> > > > > > > > Dustman' and 'Mon Beau Chapeau'.  Molded a few 78s into useless plant
> > > > > > > > pots.
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> > > > > > > > On Jul 21, 7:34 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > These women were of my mother's time but still very popular as I was
> > > > > > > > > growing up. For instance, those photos of Peggy Lee reminded me of
> > > > > > > > > hats of her day but particularly the "coffee table" reminded me of the
> > > > > > > > > '50's. BTW, I still have cartons of those 78's packed away and hear
> > > > > > > > > they are becoming hot again. I used to break some- Xavier Cugats (?)
> > > > > > > > > on a player that was supposed to flip the records automatically but
> > > > > > > > > sometimes missed and know a few Nat King Coles split by overpacking a
> > > > > > > > > box. Oh well.
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> > > > > > > > > Peggy's theme for this forum might be "Is That All There Is?" :-)
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> > > > > > > > > I think one influence was Audrey Hepburn and her particular style.
> > > > > > > > > Jackie was okay but could look rigid. Liz Taylor had a terrible
> > > > > > > > > fashion sense but who cared? Etc. These things are just toys and
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