[Mind's Eye] Re: how does our sub-conscious works?

I must be a very strange animal indeed...:)

On Jul 20, 8:59 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Addition:
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> (Outdated stereotypes) "A woman who becomes famous through her work
> reduces her erotic value. A woman is permitted to chat or babble, but
> speaking in public with authority is still the greatest transgression"
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> "Iron my shirt"? or Ovid? :-)
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> On Jul 17, 7:27 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I can't watch Dr. Phil.
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> > I like the word "echoes"- the cure is to consider the source-
> > eventually.
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> > Re natural tendencies, we are lucky if we have an enviornment that
> > brings out the best in us.
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> > On Jul 16, 8:56 am, Tony Orlow <t...@lightlink.com> wrote:
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> > > That's true, Rigsy. I guess what I was thinking was more in terms of
> > > dealing with patterns of thought and behavior that adversely affect
> > > our lives, like obsessions, phobias, anxiety, depression, etc. For
> > > someone to be scared of a picture of a frog (I saw that on Dr Phil) is
> > > ridiculous, but such phobias can be dealt with through desensitization
> > > in stages. Likewise, I've found that depression usually comes from
> > > internal echoes of self-deprecation, probably developed through
> > > experience of deprecation from the outside, and training yourself to
> > > chase such thoughts away is key.
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> > > We all reflect our natural tendencies, in the context of our
> > > environment, right?
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> > > Peace,
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> > > Tony
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> > > On Jul 16, 7:45 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > True- we can understand our memories,etc. differently as we mature-
> > > > but, they could be worse than our childhood understanding! Who really
> > > > determines the logic of our thought patterns is of considerable
> > > > importance- we can be brainwashed by religion, family, society, etc.
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> > > > On Jul 15, 6:36 am, Tony Orlow <t...@lightlink.com> wrote:
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> > > > > Hi Rigsy -
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> > > > > I don't think we can expunge things from our memory, and I think
> > > > > trying to do so may result in some discconnects that make feelings or
> > > > > reactions "inexplicable". On the other hand, associations that are
> > > > > subconsciously established in our memories may be sound and useful, or
> > > > > may be unfortunate accidents resulting in either irrational fears or
> > > > > irrational hopes. Those kind of associations can be turned around with
> > > > > work, largely by applying our logical level of thinking to the
> > > > > problem. Logic is there partly to check our emotions and confirm
> > > > > whether what we feel makes sense or not. The level of our abstract
> > > > > logical ability is really all that separates us from the other
> > > > > animals, and I think it makes sense to cultivate it as much as
> > > > > possible, without sacrificing our emotions and becoming Mr. Spock.
> > > > > Emotions generally are based in some reality, and it's good to follow
> > > > > your intuition, but that involves bringing our thoughts and feelings
> > > > > into harmony with each other, so we're not fighting ourselves.
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> > > > > Peace,
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> > > > > Tony
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> > > > > On Jul 15, 7:04 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > Thank you, Tony and Paradox.
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> > > > > > Except we can clean up our hard drive!
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> > > > > > Maybe I should have said "reactions" rather than moods- esp. since
> > > > > > females have the rep of being moody creatures. I'm not sure if it is
> > > > > > memory or the sc that is triggered by irrational associations.
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> > > > > > On Jul 15, 3:22 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > Not as familiar with the terrain regarding imagination and creativity,
> > > > > > > rigsy; but some thoughts; imagination probably employs the same object
> > > > > > > representation and manipulation routines as event "simulation",
> > > > > > > certainly occupies the same higher order region; the process is just
> > > > > > > less well tethered; an analogy that comes to mind is that of the rider
> > > > > > > whose handling on the reins becomes more adept the more confident he/
> > > > > > > she becomes, and the more conditioned the horse gets over time.
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> > > > > > > Creativity is more difficult to pin down; my intuitive sense is that
> > > > > > > it's probably defined in the versatility of transition of isomorphic
> > > > > > > brain "states"; so its not so much a "discrete" attribute, but more a
> > > > > > > "bell curve" function.
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> > > > > > > Difficult to say about unexplained moods; could be the result of
> > > > > > > chemical or homeostatic imbalances, tensions, unresolved mental
> > > > > > > phenomena, or any of a long list of things really; what do you think?
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> > > > > > > On Jul 14, 12:46 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > Yes- that is too technical for me. :-) I see the sc as the hidden
> > > > > > > > currents of a river- at least this morning that's my view. Where do
> > > > > > > > you think imagination and creativity spring from? Or unexplainable
> > > > > > > > moods? Or the irrational? Don't be too technical, please.
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> > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 3:36 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > Interesting psychoanalytic approach; i'm sort of a little closer to
> > > > > > > > > the "technical" school; seems to me that dreams and phantasies are
> > > > > > > > > pretty much the same "stuff" as conscious thought, but without the
> > > > > > > > > coherence, constraints, and "echolocation" of input, cognition,  and
> > > > > > > > > the autobiographical self; in that sense, we think (neural mapping)
> > > > > > > > > pretty much 24/7, conscious, subconscious, or otherwise; it's just so
> > > > > > > > > much more elegant when we're conscious, or daydreaming, curiously :).
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> > > > > > > > > Re the "great conductor"; in this great cauldron of distributed
> > > > > > > > > mapping, something has to "direct" and prioritise attention; that's
> > > > > > > > > the job of dispositional affect (value), or emotion, through amygdala,
> > > > > > > > > hippocampus, and associated wide area networks. Antonio Damasio has
> > > > > > > > > produced some very interesting, very readable and easily accessible
> > > > > > > > > works in this area.
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> > > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 1:51 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > The "great conductor" to where? The sc may color our thoughts and
> > > > > > > > > > actions but I have a problem giving it a thought process similar to
> > > > > > > > > > the ego or super-ego. The fact that we cannot control our sc makes us
> > > > > > > > > > want to control it- it can be dangerous or embarassing or distracting,
> > > > > > > > > > for instance. I do think it adds a dramatic complexity to our thoughts
> > > > > > > > > > and actions- esp. those "Freudian slips"! :-) Another possibilty is
> > > > > > > > > > that the sc is a warehouse for our unresolved selves that pitch and
> > > > > > > > > > twist in our minds during dreams or daydreams and sometimes influence
> > > > > > > > > > solutions by interrupting logic, problem solving, comprehension or
> > > > > > > > > > relationships. It may also serve the purpose of keeping us honest-
> > > > > > > > > > somehow the mind has to find a balance- "acting as if" only goes so
> > > > > > > > > > far.
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> > > > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 5:13 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mando, dont forget that our thoughts are also "merely things", and
> > > > > > > > > > > our sub-conscious also "thinks"; "emotion" is the great conductor.
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> > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2:18 pm, Mando <richsu...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > how are we easily swayed from our thought by merely things? is that
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