her ability to grow a baby. The winners of the Women's Soccer World
Cup would lose to a pub side of men given 6 weeks training (my guess
is true). So what do women offer? Once we get into "reasoning" like
this we might wonder what gets into some individual consciousness and
look at what it is given what can be there. Most gender difference
work is fiction. Around 10% of both sexes seem to structure brain
work like the opposite norm. What matters is a presumption of public
equality. The dross that's around assumes soccer (etc.) has value.
But how did such stuff come into existence? Pretty faces still work
on me - doesn't make them much to do with how I otherwise think about
women, I believe the reasons are broadly 'out there' rather than in
'knee jerk' 'in here'.
On Jul 20, 8:59 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Addition:
>
> "A Gloom of her Own" Interview by Deborah Solomonhttp://www,nytimes.com/2004/11/21/magazine/21QUESTIONS.html
>
> Jelinek quotes:
>
> (Sexual politics)"I describe the relationship between man and woman as
> a Hegelian relationship between master and slave. As long as men are
> able to increase their sexual value through work, fame or wealth,
> while women are only powerful through their body, beauty and youth,
> nothing will change.
>
> (Outdated stereotypes) "A woman who becomes famous through her work
> reduces her erotic value. A woman is permitted to chat or babble, but
> speaking in public with authority is still the greatest transgression"
>
> "Iron my shirt"? or Ovid? :-)
>
> On Jul 17, 7:27 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I can't watch Dr. Phil.
>
> > I like the word "echoes"- the cure is to consider the source-
> > eventually.
>
> > Re natural tendencies, we are lucky if we have an enviornment that
> > brings out the best in us.
>
> > On Jul 16, 8:56 am, Tony Orlow <t...@lightlink.com> wrote:
>
> > > That's true, Rigsy. I guess what I was thinking was more in terms of
> > > dealing with patterns of thought and behavior that adversely affect
> > > our lives, like obsessions, phobias, anxiety, depression, etc. For
> > > someone to be scared of a picture of a frog (I saw that on Dr Phil) is
> > > ridiculous, but such phobias can be dealt with through desensitization
> > > in stages. Likewise, I've found that depression usually comes from
> > > internal echoes of self-deprecation, probably developed through
> > > experience of deprecation from the outside, and training yourself to
> > > chase such thoughts away is key.
>
> > > We all reflect our natural tendencies, in the context of our
> > > environment, right?
>
> > > Peace,
>
> > > Tony
>
> > > On Jul 16, 7:45 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > True- we can understand our memories,etc. differently as we mature-
> > > > but, they could be worse than our childhood understanding! Who really
> > > > determines the logic of our thought patterns is of considerable
> > > > importance- we can be brainwashed by religion, family, society, etc.
>
> > > > On Jul 15, 6:36 am, Tony Orlow <t...@lightlink.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Hi Rigsy -
>
> > > > > I don't think we can expunge things from our memory, and I think
> > > > > trying to do so may result in some discconnects that make feelings or
> > > > > reactions "inexplicable". On the other hand, associations that are
> > > > > subconsciously established in our memories may be sound and useful, or
> > > > > may be unfortunate accidents resulting in either irrational fears or
> > > > > irrational hopes. Those kind of associations can be turned around with
> > > > > work, largely by applying our logical level of thinking to the
> > > > > problem. Logic is there partly to check our emotions and confirm
> > > > > whether what we feel makes sense or not. The level of our abstract
> > > > > logical ability is really all that separates us from the other
> > > > > animals, and I think it makes sense to cultivate it as much as
> > > > > possible, without sacrificing our emotions and becoming Mr. Spock.
> > > > > Emotions generally are based in some reality, and it's good to follow
> > > > > your intuition, but that involves bringing our thoughts and feelings
> > > > > into harmony with each other, so we're not fighting ourselves.
>
> > > > > Peace,
>
> > > > > Tony
>
> > > > > On Jul 15, 7:04 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > Thank you, Tony and Paradox.
>
> > > > > > Except we can clean up our hard drive!
>
> > > > > > Maybe I should have said "reactions" rather than moods- esp. since
> > > > > > females have the rep of being moody creatures. I'm not sure if it is
> > > > > > memory or the sc that is triggered by irrational associations.
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> > > > > > On Jul 15, 3:22 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > Not as familiar with the terrain regarding imagination and creativity,
> > > > > > > rigsy; but some thoughts; imagination probably employs the same object
> > > > > > > representation and manipulation routines as event "simulation",
> > > > > > > certainly occupies the same higher order region; the process is just
> > > > > > > less well tethered; an analogy that comes to mind is that of the rider
> > > > > > > whose handling on the reins becomes more adept the more confident he/
> > > > > > > she becomes, and the more conditioned the horse gets over time.
>
> > > > > > > Creativity is more difficult to pin down; my intuitive sense is that
> > > > > > > it's probably defined in the versatility of transition of isomorphic
> > > > > > > brain "states"; so its not so much a "discrete" attribute, but more a
> > > > > > > "bell curve" function.
>
> > > > > > > Difficult to say about unexplained moods; could be the result of
> > > > > > > chemical or homeostatic imbalances, tensions, unresolved mental
> > > > > > > phenomena, or any of a long list of things really; what do you think?
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> > > > > > > On Jul 14, 12:46 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > Yes- that is too technical for me. :-) I see the sc as the hidden
> > > > > > > > currents of a river- at least this morning that's my view. Where do
> > > > > > > > you think imagination and creativity spring from? Or unexplainable
> > > > > > > > moods? Or the irrational? Don't be too technical, please.
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> > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 3:36 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > Interesting psychoanalytic approach; i'm sort of a little closer to
> > > > > > > > > the "technical" school; seems to me that dreams and phantasies are
> > > > > > > > > pretty much the same "stuff" as conscious thought, but without the
> > > > > > > > > coherence, constraints, and "echolocation" of input, cognition, and
> > > > > > > > > the autobiographical self; in that sense, we think (neural mapping)
> > > > > > > > > pretty much 24/7, conscious, subconscious, or otherwise; it's just so
> > > > > > > > > much more elegant when we're conscious, or daydreaming, curiously :).
>
> > > > > > > > > Re the "great conductor"; in this great cauldron of distributed
> > > > > > > > > mapping, something has to "direct" and prioritise attention; that's
> > > > > > > > > the job of dispositional affect (value), or emotion, through amygdala,
> > > > > > > > > hippocampus, and associated wide area networks. Antonio Damasio has
> > > > > > > > > produced some very interesting, very readable and easily accessible
> > > > > > > > > works in this area.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 1:51 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > The "great conductor" to where? The sc may color our thoughts and
> > > > > > > > > > actions but I have a problem giving it a thought process similar to
> > > > > > > > > > the ego or super-ego. The fact that we cannot control our sc makes us
> > > > > > > > > > want to control it- it can be dangerous or embarassing or distracting,
> > > > > > > > > > for instance. I do think it adds a dramatic complexity to our thoughts
> > > > > > > > > > and actions- esp. those "Freudian slips"! :-) Another possibilty is
> > > > > > > > > > that the sc is a warehouse for our unresolved selves that pitch and
> > > > > > > > > > twist in our minds during dreams or daydreams and sometimes influence
> > > > > > > > > > solutions by interrupting logic, problem solving, comprehension or
> > > > > > > > > > relationships. It may also serve the purpose of keeping us honest-
> > > > > > > > > > somehow the mind has to find a balance- "acting as if" only goes so
> > > > > > > > > > far.
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> > > > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 5:13 am, paradox <eadohe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mando, dont forget that our thoughts are also "merely things", and
> > > > > > > > > > > our sub-conscious also "thinks"; "emotion" is the great conductor.
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> > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2:18 pm, Mando <richsu...@gmail.com> wrote:
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