office just go private consultant! I'm sure she'll be using knowledge of
the system and connections to ensure a legal (er litigated) conclusion.
Who cares WHY we have limitations on corporations, we need progress
dammit and my fat bonus with it!
On 5/25/2011 1:20 PM, ornamentalmind wrote:
> Actually, it is my understanding rigs that both Bess and Mamie were
> excellent examples of the fashions at the time. The only reason this
> may not seem to be the case today is that fashions change. In most
> cases, what those in power do (including dress standards) is
> attractive to most people for some reason or another.
>
> What bothers me more today since we have lost the constitutional
> protection against corporations is things like this. If you watch it,
> please do so to the very end.
>
> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/17/976725/-Jon-Stewart-warns-of-big-media-corporations-seeking-more-power
>
>
> On May 25, 6:20 am, rigsy03<rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Good example, ornamentalmind! Plus FDR used the media of his day-
>> Fireside Chats and news films- even to the staging of hiding his
>> paralysis. Churchill is another example of the theatrics of politics.
>> I guess I was thinking more of the impact of television and photo-ops
>> plus the silence/bias of reporting but the ancients also used p.r. Now
>> the internet is also a factor. And exposure to candid photos, security
>> cameras, bugs, leaks... But did women want to look/dress like Bess
>> Truman or Mamie Eisenhower? No. That was a new impact with Jackie-O.
>> Still, there are other historical/fashion examples and influences-
>> Marie Antoinette, for example. But what is the effect of this image
>> making on politics and government?
>>
>> On May 24, 9:44 am, ornamentalmind<ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zHN4vCfwh4
>>> On May 24, 5:39 am, rigsy03<rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Actually, the media circus began with the Kennedys in our day and age
>>>> but there are plenty of examples from our past, as well. Jefferson
>>>> used nasty pamphlets, Jackson, etc.
>>>> On May 24, 7:30 am, rigsy03<rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> In my opinion, politics have turned into a form of entertainment- esp.
>>>>> since Bill Clinton. I have thought that a single tv or radio channel
>>>>> should be reserved for political debate/election purposes...but who
>>>>> would watch/listen? Perhaps the public needs the celebrity aspect to
>>>>> get interested and even the aristocracy maintained/maintains
>>>>> spectacle. I doubt the Founding Fathers would recognize our present
>>>>> democracy- or approve it- they might consider it mob rule by the
>>>>> lowest common denominator- the uneducated and easily swayed.
>>>>> Well, let's not dally with despair! Solomon died ruined for all his
>>>>> wisdom- many interesting figures/leaders crash one way or another plus
>>>>> there's death!
>>>>> Money/power is considered the root of all evil- probably because it
>>>>> fogs morality and judgement.
>>>>> There are some restrictions on income for pols but they are still in a
>>>>> position to make their supporters/party wealthy. The public has little
>>>>> control over life-effecting laws and decisions but the same has always
>>>>> been true of governments and religions.
>>>>> I would not enjoy a robot. I'd rather get another dog! :-) It's
>>>>> frustrating to give up certain labors but I still manage most of it. I
>>>>> quit the snow, lawn and garden a few years back but I have never been
>>>>> timid about work which is funny- as a child I followed the help around
>>>>> like a playmate. I even painted the shingles of a roof on my two-story
>>>>> home- probably one of my more daring adventureous escapades- worked
>>>>> one summer with a grad student who introduced me to rock, current lit,
>>>>> etc.- he became a psychologist- I became a divorcee!
>>>>> On May 24, 3:40 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com"<l...@rdfmedia.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Huh I don't see how you reached that conclusion when my initial
>>>>>> premise is lets get rid of money, of greed, and find a better way?
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> I think that we shall always need leaders and I would rather live in a
>>>>>> fully democratic sociaty then not.
>>>>>> I would like to see democracy change a little though. The post of
>>>>>> politician should be unpaid, shared and part time. There should eb
>>>>>> laws made that say no fiscal gain can be made by politicions whilst in
>>>>>> power and possibly not after also. That way well get only thoese who
>>>>>> truely care about sociaty willing to do the job.
>>>>>> On May 24, 6:07 am, the taoist shaman<bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> i think worldwide democratic socialism is a good solution , no pres. ,
>>>>>>> no office of power , many small niches all unified . listen to your
>>>>>>> self lee , it sounds to me like u find it moraly (socialy) wrong to
>>>>>>> speek ill of capitalism . now im not all about the current socialism
>>>>>>> set up , nor am i for capitalism ( make belive democratic system ) the
>>>>>>> answer would seem to be in the middle --- keep the democratic , lose
>>>>>>> the capitalism --- lose the dictator , keep the socialism
>>>>>>> ( humanitarian ) ,
>>>>>>> leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hahah no I mean robotic work force.
>>>>>>>> I mean no employment for us humans, robots take care of it all,
>>>>>>>> including repair of broken robots.
>>>>>>>> We can then pursue other things, as the state/s take care of our
>>>>>>>> nessicitys/luxeries brought about by the work of our slave robots!
>>>>>>>> It is truely scary this consumerisim, I have seen it increase in my
>>>>>>>> short time on this planet, and it seems that things that where not
>>>>>>>> counted as commodities a few years back are now so.
>>>>>>>> Money brings you all that you say, and of course you need it to live,
>>>>>>>> to pay bills, to buy food.
>>>>>>>> I don't think it is money persay that is the problem, and I guess you
>>>>>>>> are right, a barter system is open to the same flaws, I think it is
>>>>>>>> this growing commoditisation of things and consummerisation of life
>>>>>>>> that is to blame.
>>>>>>>> It is the age old issue, the haves and the have nots. Make sure then
>>>>>>>> that we all have, or that we all not. Ahhh but that is the raving
>>>>>>>> Socialist in me speaking.
>>>>>>>> On May 23, 2:08 pm, rigsy03<rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> You mean a stay-at-home mom in the traditional sense? (Stepford wife.)
>>>>>>>>> The next gold/oil will be water as some of us have agreed many times.
>>>>>>>>> To replace money, we could return to a barter system but that would
>>>>>>>>> also be uneven/unfair depending upon demand and supply and even what
>>>>>>>>> categories would constitute value.
>>>>>>>>> What does money provide? Security, first of all, but this can be
>>>>>>>>> tricky. Most seem to expend money to make more money or purchase
>>>>>>>>> luxury goods so status is another aim. Control: if a nation's wealth
>>>>>>>>> is worthless or inflated, so goes the ballgame; or if one's nation is
>>>>>>>>> in debt or trapped in a cycle of expensive wars or nature/climate
>>>>>>>>> impose frequent emergencies, stress on the food supply, etc. The
>>>>>>>>> culture is also a culprit: what are its everyday values? Is a nation
>>>>>>>>> shortsighted, flaky, uneducated, so on an so forth. Who makes the most
>>>>>>>>> money in a culture? That's a real test of what a country values.
>>>>>>>>> Thrift is a lowly virtue- nearly distained. So is labor: sedentary
>>>>>>>>> classes must diet or join gyms/country clubs, employ servants, etc.
>>>>>>>>> (My neighbor "gave" me her lawn guy- he is half the fee of my former %
>>>>>>>>> $#&*%. She was also his customer- once. We decided he is having a mid-
>>>>>>>>> life crisis. :-) )
>>>>>>>>> On May 23, 6:55 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com"<l...@rdfmedia.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Shaman,
>>>>>>>>>> I have actualy given some thought to this and the most viable idea
>>>>>>>>>> that I have is..........
>>>>>>>>>> Robotic work force!
>>>>>>>>>> On May 23, 12:52 pm, the taoist shaman<bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> hell ya lee , it will probably bring itself to an end with the
>>>>>>>>>>> disappearance of oil , or a bunch of people could put there
>>>>>>>>>>> organisational skills together and force an end to come , che took out
>>>>>>>>>>> cuba with 28 dudes and some AKs. brand new ak47 = 600$ , but thats a
>>>>>>>>>>> last resort ,..... have you read the art of war by sun tzu , actual
>>>>>>>>>>> combat is very expensive and risky ,--- a war againt $ -- sounds more
>>>>>>>>>>> plosable than the war on drugs , which was created to generate $ .
>>>>>>>>>>> there is nothing i hate more than $ , and there is nothing i wouldnt
>>>>>>>>>>> do to stop it , but as you say how? if someone did have a way , and
>>>>>>>>>>> put it on the internet , they would probably be arrested !
>>>>>>>>>>> leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> It all comes down to money in the end don't it, or rather as the Bible
>>>>>>>>>>>> says the love of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Money the great Satan that stops otherwise good people from acting in
>>>>>>>>>>>> a moraly correct way.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Meh! I'd like to see the end of it, but how are we ever to see that I
>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder?
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 21, 12:50 am, rigsy03<rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The cost of prison is about the same as education. I have heard the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> figure as $30,000. but maybe it has gone up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about abortion? That saves money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the final costs of health care for the aged? Should we just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> send them a cyanide capsule?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The history of mankind is violent punctuated with periods of peace/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> altruism. Beyond resources, wealth and power what is the spur?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 19, 11:22 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep I think that the cost of appeals is proably what helps whack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overall cost up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you take a strange stance here for a person who has previously
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said that you disagree with the dealth penalty because you can't trust
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