out of this life.
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 9:08 PM, the taoist shaman <bryanobo@gmail.com> wrote:
> RP- r u then saying that your current ''being'' is that of god with
> the illusion of ''self'' , and death is the removel of that
> illusion , .... would you then say that we are all incarnation's (as
> opposed to re incarnation ) my sp sucks) of god , and therefore
> there is no after life ? because god exists already , if self
> disappears , i disappear , and god is as he (she,they) was /
> were . if god is unchangable my disappearance of self would be
> irrelevant, i would then simply die , which would mean that my current
> self is the only state of being i would ever experience , which would
> mean that self is not an illusion , and that i am not the same entety
> as god, but rather one of his children .
>
> like a parasite , that u feed and feed off of .
>
> was that paragraph spoken to poorly to make sence ?
>
> RP Singh wrote:
>> It is not a question of becoming one with God. " I " as a self-sense
>> is an illusion whereas God is the reality. When a person dies the
>> self-sense just vanishes and the One Spirit which is there all the
>> time , unborn and indestructible , continues to shine.
>>
>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 5:56 PM, the taoist shaman <bryanobo@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > RP - do u then belive that when u die u will become one with god ,
>> > like 2 ice cubes melting next to eachother become one puddle ? u will
>> > have no '' self '' at all ?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > gabbydott wrote:
>> >> I know it isn't. This was a distractor from the preceeding "they are telling
>> >> you to find", which I thereby criticized.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 1:02 PM, leerevdouglas@googlemail.com <
>> >> lee@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Rise back to Godstate?
>> >> >
>> >> > That is not my belife Gabs, rather shed ourselves of the illusion that
>> >> > we are seperated from God. As I often say God is immenent throughout
>> >> > the creation, there exist not one iota of matter that is not imbued
>> >> > with the spirit of God.
>> >> >
>> >> > On May 26, 6:31 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > > Same idea differant words.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Hahaha, that's exactly the trick. That's when God falls to become
>> >> > Lucifer.
>> >> > > It's the finding that they are telling you you need to do in order to
>> >> > rise
>> >> > > back to Godstate. This is not what I understand RP says.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 1:06 PM, leerevdoug...@googlemail.com <
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
>> >> > > > As I say I fail to see the differance between putting this way, or
>> >> > > > RP's way or my way. Same idea differant words.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > RP says that God is imminent but this does not mean that I am God, and
>> >> > > > I agree with him, but I'm sure he'll agree that without finding God
>> >> > > > within, you stand no chance in finding God without.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > It is a bold statement, but I honestly do try to see God in all
>> >> > > > things, yep me included, and you too.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Haha but of course it is hard to find God in some people.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > On May 26, 10:46 am, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > >> lee , o.r. , i think iknow what r.p. is getting at , forget the
>> >> > > >> ocean , think of the stars , many different stars ( white red blue
>> >> > > >> giant dwarf ect ) even the similar stars are different from each
>> >> > > >> other , but they are part of the same whole , the galaxy , and though
>> >> > > >> each galaxy is similar , and yet different , they are part of the same
>> >> > > >> whole , the universe ....... if i were a glass of water id be a square
>> >> > > >> glass with dull edges , ha ... ha .... :[
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >> leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
>> >> > > >> > I fail to see the differance?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >> > On May 26, 7:59 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > >> > > Instead of considering ourselves to be parts of the Whole , it
>> >> > would
>> >> > > >> > > be better in my opinion to consider ourselves differing images of
>> >> > the
>> >> > > >> > > Absolute in vessels of differing make and shape. Water in many
>> >> > > vessels
>> >> > > >> > > of differing sizes and shapes in a ocean is the same , but it is
>> >> > not
>> >> > > a
>> >> > > >> > > part of the ocean --it is actually the ocean. The illusion is the
>> >> > > >> > > vessel and not the water.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:53 AM, ornamentalmind
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> > > >> > > > While I greatly appreciate emanationism on many levels, to
>> >> > ignore
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > >> > > > consubstantial aspect of 'the many' simply ignores the
>> >> > experience
>> >> > > of
>> >> > > >> > > > many humans. We have the ability to think and by thinking break
>> >> > > down
>> >> > > >> > > > 'the one' into its component parts (as a thought, not an
>> >> > > actuality).
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > >http://www.iep.utm.edu/emanatio/
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > > On May 25, 8:50 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > >> > > >> If we think that we are part of the " Whole " we are sort of
>> >> > > dividing
>> >> > > >> > > >> up God. He then is no longer an entity but a composite of
>> >> > parts.
>> >> > > The
>> >> > > >> > > >> truth is that we are not parts but emanations which make His
>> >> > > existence
>> >> > > >> > > >> identifiable to our understanding.
>> >> > > >> > > >> The reflection of the sun is a proof of the sun ;similarly the
>> >> > > world
>> >> > > >> > > >> is a proof of the Self.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > >> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Ash <ashkas...@gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > > >> > > >> > "Our consciousness makes us think that we are special , far
>> >> > > removed from
>> >> > > >> > > >> > matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One
>> >> > Spirit
>> >> > > in all that
>> >> > > >> > > >> > is immortal. "
>> >> > > >> > > >> > I don't think that this must necessarily be the whole truth.
>> >> > > What if one
>> >> > > >> > > >> > sees that all things are a part of the whole, that is the
>> >> > world
>> >> > > and/or
>> >> > > >> > > >> > nature's way, and we perceive diverse phenomena by our
>> >> > natures
>> >> > > inextricably?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > >> > I find it interesting that you would say the reflection of
>> >> > the
>> >> > > sun in a
>> >> > > >> > > >> > puddle is not the sun, what else is the sun but the forces of
>> >> > > nature which
>> >> > > >> > > >> > are the same as in the puddle? Our focus may be pointed at a
>> >> > > less brilliant
>> >> > > >> > > >> > and direct portion in comparison to the sun but it is shining
>> >> > > through
>> >> > > >> > > >> > nonetheless in everything if you know how or where to look.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > >> > On 5/19/2011 10:04 AM, RP Singh wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > >> >> It is not a matter of perspective but the very nature of
>> >> > > things. The
>> >> > > >> > > >> >> world is dualistic by nature and God is Non-Dual.The world
>> >> > > changes
>> >> > > >> > > >> >> over time and is never in a constant state , whereas God
>> >> > > remains the
>> >> > > >> > > >> >> same always and is unborn , primeaval and
>> >> > indestructible--the
>> >> > > same
>> >> > > >> > > >> >> cannot be said of the world. It is so easy to say that I am
>> >> > the
>> >> > > One ,
>> >> > > >> > > >> >> but when a needle pricks you you grimace , how can you be
>> >> > the "
>> >> > > One "
>> >> > > >> > > >> >> when you feel pleasure and pain , happy and depressed. Our
>> >> > > >> > > >> >> consciousness makes us think that we are special , far
>> >> > removed
>> >> > > from
>> >> > > >> > > >> >> matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One
>> >> > Spirit
>> >> > > in all
>> >> > > >> > > >> >> that is immortal.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > >> >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > >> >>> How is it possible, from a non dual perspective, to
>> >> > perceive
>> >> > > the world
>> >> > > >> > > >> >>> as dualistic in nature, and thus an illusion (and separate
>> >> > > from
>> >> > > >> > > >> >>> self)? By definition, this view would remain dualistic. I
>> >> > do
>> >> > > think it
>> >> > > >> > > >> >>> true that how we view the world forms our experience. From
>> >> > a
>> >> > > >> > > >> >>> dualistic view, some are right, some are wrong. From a non
>> >> > > dual view,
>> >> > > >> > > >> >>> all views are the One/many paradox that is One. How we
>> >> > view
>> >> > > (and
>> >> > > >> > > >> >>> experience) birth and death changes as we change. From a
>> >> > non
>> >> > > dual
>> >> > > >> > > >> >>> perspective, they are only states of transformation and not
>> >> > a
>> >> > > >> > > >> >>> beginning or end.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > >> >>> On May 17, 2:07 pm, RP Singh<123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > >> >>>> In duality there is the relationship of the observer and
>> >> > the
>> >> > > observed
>> >> > > >> > > >> >>>> , the knower and the known , that is , there are two. In
>> >> > > Non-Duality
>> >> > > >> > > >> >>>> there is only One and the world which is dualistic in
>> >> > nature
>> >> > > , remains
>> >> > > >> > > >> >>>> what it is , just an illusion - i.e. subject to birth and
>> >> > > death. God
>> >> > > >> > > >> >>>> ,Reality or Atman is Non-Dual and duality is just its
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