is an illusion whereas God is the reality. When a person dies the
self-sense just vanishes and the One Spirit which is there all the
time , unborn and indestructible , continues to shine.
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 5:56 PM, the taoist shaman <bryanobo@gmail.com> wrote:
> RP - do u then belive that when u die u will become one with god ,
> like 2 ice cubes melting next to eachother become one puddle ? u will
> have no '' self '' at all ?
>
>
>
> gabbydott wrote:
>> I know it isn't. This was a distractor from the preceeding "they are telling
>> you to find", which I thereby criticized.
>>
>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 1:02 PM, leerevdouglas@googlemail.com <
>> lee@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Rise back to Godstate?
>> >
>> > That is not my belife Gabs, rather shed ourselves of the illusion that
>> > we are seperated from God. As I often say God is immenent throughout
>> > the creation, there exist not one iota of matter that is not imbued
>> > with the spirit of God.
>> >
>> > On May 26, 6:31 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > Same idea differant words.
>> > >
>> > > Hahaha, that's exactly the trick. That's when God falls to become
>> > Lucifer.
>> > > It's the finding that they are telling you you need to do in order to
>> > rise
>> > > back to Godstate. This is not what I understand RP says.
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 1:06 PM, leerevdoug...@googlemail.com <
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
>> > > > As I say I fail to see the differance between putting this way, or
>> > > > RP's way or my way. Same idea differant words.
>> > >
>> > > > RP says that God is imminent but this does not mean that I am God, and
>> > > > I agree with him, but I'm sure he'll agree that without finding God
>> > > > within, you stand no chance in finding God without.
>> > >
>> > > > It is a bold statement, but I honestly do try to see God in all
>> > > > things, yep me included, and you too.
>> > >
>> > > > Haha but of course it is hard to find God in some people.
>> > >
>> > > > On May 26, 10:46 am, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> lee , o.r. , i think iknow what r.p. is getting at , forget the
>> > > >> ocean , think of the stars , many different stars ( white red blue
>> > > >> giant dwarf ect ) even the similar stars are different from each
>> > > >> other , but they are part of the same whole , the galaxy , and though
>> > > >> each galaxy is similar , and yet different , they are part of the same
>> > > >> whole , the universe ....... if i were a glass of water id be a square
>> > > >> glass with dull edges , ha ... ha .... :[
>> > >
>> > > >> leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
>> > > >> > I fail to see the differance?
>> > >
>> > > >> > On May 26, 7:59 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> > > Instead of considering ourselves to be parts of the Whole , it
>> > would
>> > > >> > > be better in my opinion to consider ourselves differing images of
>> > the
>> > > >> > > Absolute in vessels of differing make and shape. Water in many
>> > > vessels
>> > > >> > > of differing sizes and shapes in a ocean is the same , but it is
>> > not
>> > > a
>> > > >> > > part of the ocean --it is actually the ocean. The illusion is the
>> > > >> > > vessel and not the water.
>> > >
>> > > >> > > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:53 AM, ornamentalmind
>> > >
>> > > >> > > <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > > >> > > > While I greatly appreciate emanationism on many levels, to
>> > ignore
>> > > the
>> > > >> > > > consubstantial aspect of 'the many' simply ignores the
>> > experience
>> > > of
>> > > >> > > > many humans. We have the ability to think and by thinking break
>> > > down
>> > > >> > > > 'the one' into its component parts (as a thought, not an
>> > > actuality).
>> > >
>> > > >> > > >http://www.iep.utm.edu/emanatio/
>> > >
>> > > >> > > > On May 25, 8:50 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> > > >> If we think that we are part of the " Whole " we are sort of
>> > > dividing
>> > > >> > > >> up God. He then is no longer an entity but a composite of
>> > parts.
>> > > The
>> > > >> > > >> truth is that we are not parts but emanations which make His
>> > > existence
>> > > >> > > >> identifiable to our understanding.
>> > > >> > > >> The reflection of the sun is a proof of the sun ;similarly the
>> > > world
>> > > >> > > >> is a proof of the Self.
>> > >
>> > > >> > > >> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Ash <ashkas...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > >> > > >> > "Our consciousness makes us think that we are special , far
>> > > removed from
>> > > >> > > >> > matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One
>> > Spirit
>> > > in all that
>> > > >> > > >> > is immortal. "
>> > > >> > > >> > I don't think that this must necessarily be the whole truth.
>> > > What if one
>> > > >> > > >> > sees that all things are a part of the whole, that is the
>> > world
>> > > and/or
>> > > >> > > >> > nature's way, and we perceive diverse phenomena by our
>> > natures
>> > > inextricably?
>> > >
>> > > >> > > >> > I find it interesting that you would say the reflection of
>> > the
>> > > sun in a
>> > > >> > > >> > puddle is not the sun, what else is the sun but the forces of
>> > > nature which
>> > > >> > > >> > are the same as in the puddle? Our focus may be pointed at a
>> > > less brilliant
>> > > >> > > >> > and direct portion in comparison to the sun but it is shining
>> > > through
>> > > >> > > >> > nonetheless in everything if you know how or where to look.
>> > >
>> > > >> > > >> > On 5/19/2011 10:04 AM, RP Singh wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >> > > >> >> It is not a matter of perspective but the very nature of
>> > > things. The
>> > > >> > > >> >> world is dualistic by nature and God is Non-Dual.The world
>> > > changes
>> > > >> > > >> >> over time and is never in a constant state , whereas God
>> > > remains the
>> > > >> > > >> >> same always and is unborn , primeaval and
>> > indestructible--the
>> > > same
>> > > >> > > >> >> cannot be said of the world. It is so easy to say that I am
>> > the
>> > > One ,
>> > > >> > > >> >> but when a needle pricks you you grimace , how can you be
>> > the "
>> > > One "
>> > > >> > > >> >> when you feel pleasure and pain , happy and depressed. Our
>> > > >> > > >> >> consciousness makes us think that we are special , far
>> > removed
>> > > from
>> > > >> > > >> >> matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One
>> > Spirit
>> > > in all
>> > > >> > > >> >> that is immortal.
>> > >
>> > > >> > > >> >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >> > > >> >>> How is it possible, from a non dual perspective, to
>> > perceive
>> > > the world
>> > > >> > > >> >>> as dualistic in nature, and thus an illusion (and separate
>> > > from
>> > > >> > > >> >>> self)? By definition, this view would remain dualistic. I
>> > do
>> > > think it
>> > > >> > > >> >>> true that how we view the world forms our experience. From
>> > a
>> > > >> > > >> >>> dualistic view, some are right, some are wrong. From a non
>> > > dual view,
>> > > >> > > >> >>> all views are the One/many paradox that is One. How we
>> > view
>> > > (and
>> > > >> > > >> >>> experience) birth and death changes as we change. From a
>> > non
>> > > dual
>> > > >> > > >> >>> perspective, they are only states of transformation and not
>> > a
>> > > >> > > >> >>> beginning or end.
>> > >
>> > > >> > > >> >>> On May 17, 2:07 pm, RP Singh<123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >> > > >> >>>> In duality there is the relationship of the observer and
>> > the
>> > > observed
>> > > >> > > >> >>>> , the knower and the known , that is , there are two. In
>> > > Non-Duality
>> > > >> > > >> >>>> there is only One and the world which is dualistic in
>> > nature
>> > > , remains
>> > > >> > > >> >>>> what it is , just an illusion - i.e. subject to birth and
>> > > death. God
>> > > >> > > >> >>>> ,Reality or Atman is Non-Dual and duality is just its
>> > >
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