Thursday, May 26, 2011

Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Non-Duality

Ash , as far as we are concerned we are all real , we are neither
inside nor outside the One . The One is immanent in us. When we say
the world is an illusion it is because it is changeable and
destructible. It is not permanent. Space and all that is in it has
sprung from the One , and the One itself is pure Spirit. Our
individual identities are for a time being only , in actuality the One
is our real self. There is no such thing as my spirit or your spirit ,
there is only the One Spirit and it is the Absolute.

On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Ash <ashkashal@gmail.com> wrote:
> But then either the phenomenal experience granted by this 'corporeal'
> (apparently) state is occuring within or without or some x-position in
> relation to One. Something is without a doubt occuring in some fashion, as
> we wouldn't be holding this conversation. If we are not within one, we are
> outside of one? Absolutes give me much trouble so I won't be diving into the
> essence at this time looking to verify our claims. From what state does this
> perspective come from, to what or whom am I speaking (that this knowledge
> you propose comes from)? Maybe that is a better start, I apologize for
> taking the infuriatingly dense student route.
>
> On 5/25/2011 11:50 PM, RP Singh wrote:
>>
>> If we think that we are part of the " Whole " we are sort of dividing
>> up God. He then is no longer an entity but a composite of parts. The
>> truth is that we are not parts but emanations which make His existence
>> identifiable to our understanding.
>> The reflection of the sun is a proof of the sun ;similarly the world
>> is a proof of the Self.
>>
>> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Ash<ashkashal@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> "Our consciousness makes us think that we are special , far removed from
>>> matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One Spirit in all
>>> that
>>> is immortal. "
>>> I don't think that this must necessarily be the whole truth. What if one
>>> sees that all things are a part of the whole, that is the world and/or
>>> nature's way, and we perceive diverse phenomena by our natures
>>> inextricably?
>>>
>>> I find it interesting that you would say the reflection of the sun in a
>>> puddle is not the sun, what else is the sun but the forces of nature
>>> which
>>> are the same as in the puddle? Our focus may be pointed at a less
>>> brilliant
>>> and direct portion in comparison to the sun but it is shining through
>>> nonetheless in everything if you know how or where to look.
>>>
>>> On 5/19/2011 10:04 AM, RP Singh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is not a matter of perspective but the very nature of things. The
>>>> world is dualistic by nature and God is Non-Dual.The world changes
>>>> over time and is never in a constant state , whereas God remains the
>>>> same always and is unborn , primeaval and indestructible--the same
>>>> cannot be said of the world. It is so easy to say that I am the One ,
>>>> but when a needle pricks you you grimace , how can you be the " One "
>>>> when you feel pleasure and pain , happy and depressed. Our
>>>> consciousness makes us think that we are special , far removed from
>>>> matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One Spirit in all
>>>> that is immortal.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Molly<mollyb363@gmail.com>    wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> How is it possible, from a non dual perspective, to perceive the world
>>>>> as dualistic in nature, and thus an illusion (and separate from
>>>>> self)?  By definition, this view would remain dualistic. I do think it
>>>>> true that how we view the world forms our experience.  From a
>>>>> dualistic view, some are right, some are wrong.  From a non dual view,
>>>>> all views are the One/many paradox that is One.  How we view (and
>>>>> experience) birth and death changes as we change.  From a non dual
>>>>> perspective, they are only states of transformation and not a
>>>>> beginning or end.
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 17, 2:07 pm, RP Singh<123...@gmail.com>    wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In duality there is the relationship of the observer and the observed
>>>>>> , the knower and the known , that is , there are two. In Non-Duality
>>>>>> there is only One and the world which is dualistic in nature , remains
>>>>>> what it is , just an illusion - i.e. subject to birth and death. God
>>>>>> ,Reality or Atman is Non-Dual and duality is just its expression.
>>>
>
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