seeing myself in them (as I see it later) anger often comes to the
surface. When I find them in me it is always with compassion and
understanding. Guilt swings between them both until it's a nauseating,
deadlocked impasse of downward spirals.
This sounds like agape love, I think it's a progressive and
bidirectional skill: as you learn appreciation and compassion for others
it teaches you about yourself and vice versa with the capacity
increasing as you compound the dimensions of compassion. I think there
is a definite element of 'familiarity' involved, whether or not this is
a causal error on my part it is a distinct and resounding part of the
experience (for me).
On 5/3/2011 2:55 PM, pol.science kid wrote:
> yeah...we dont see others for who they are..we see them for who we
> think they are...but...though ...i am not sure i believe it
> completely..but it convinces vaguely nevertheless...unconsciously do
> believe it...no it confuses me again...when you love ...deeply...do
> you finally see the other person and love them like yourself...know
> them in the same breath...or is it again because we see ourselves in
> them..i dont know...because i have not really experienced it....to
> see.someone...like the naavi people say in the avatar movie
>
> On May 3, 1:30 pm, gabbydott<gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> With collective consciousness you mean this group-think programme à la
>> Molly's [mission] What do YOU think? Na, you're right, PSK is definitely
>> different from that.
>>
>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:04 AM, the taoist shaman<bryan...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> PSK selfishness arouses discontent because it is contrary to
>>> collective consciousness , try reading the meditations of marcus
>>> auralius chapter 2 verse 1 from the harvard classics .
>>> gabbydott wrote:
>>>> From a top-down perspective this is correct. But I understood that PSK
>>> asked
>>>> for individual responses from each of us.
>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:09 AM, rigsy03<rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> But you have to admit there are humans who haven't the chance to even
>>>>> consider this type of thinking as their lives are miserable due to
>>>>> poverty, war, sickness and all other ills. Plus- what does a culture
>>>>> celebrate? Wealth? Power? Etc.? You can hardly fault some for buying a
>>>>> false self and image if that is what their culture teaches them, can
>>>>> you? It takes a brave rebel to contradict society or challenge group
>>>>> thought.
>>>>> On May 2, 12:20 pm, gabbydott<gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> If the selfish would truly search their self, they'd quickly die out.
>>>>>> Problem is how they don't see themselves but see themselves in the
>>> others
>>>>>> with the poor others not knowing that they are not taken for
>>> themselves
>>>>> but
>>>>>> for someone else. My explanation.
>>>>>> On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 6:57 PM, pol.science kid<
>>> r.freeb...@gmail.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> at the first glance of your reply came a thought to my mind about
>>>>>>> collective consciousness...rather a question...does the collective
>>>>>>> consciousness exist independently...what does it mean exactly...to
>>> put
>>>>> it
>>>>>>> crudely is it the realisation that you are not the only
>>> phenomena..but
>>>>> what
>>>>>>> i feel is....it is very difficult to transcend ones own
>>> person...but is
>>>>> it
>>>>>>> important....why do we really get irritated with self absorbed or
>>> self
>>>>>>> seeking people....why do we condemn selfishness..in any sense...are
>>> we
>>>>> so
>>>>>>> insecure as to feel deprived because of that ...or is it something
>>>>> more.. i
>>>>>>> hope i make sense.. and i hope you get waht i am trying to ask...i
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> like all to answer...cos i really want to know....
>>>>>>> On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 7:36 PM, DarkwaterBlight<
>>>>> douglas.bli...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>> This take appeals to my understanding. Perpetually changing,
>>> evolving
>>>>>>>> and reforming. Input has an outcome and causes an expanded "mind
>>>>>>>> space", if you will. Is logic all logical and what is to be said
>>> about
>>>>>>>> rationalizing the "irrational"? Should my thinking be correct by
>>> the
>>>>>>>> standards of others or to my own? What of "raising the bar" in
>>>>>>>> consciousness and of a paradigm shift to a more correct thinking
>>> of
>>>>>>>> our "collective mind" ? Of all that goes into into thought and
>>> mind is
>>>>>>>> this not the desired effect?
>>>>>>>> On Apr 30, 9:23 am, "pol.science kid"<r.freeb...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> might thought be colored by the mind that engages it ....what is
>>> the
>>>>>>>> realm
>>>>>>>>> of pure thought that you mention here .... is it logic and
>>>>>>>>> rationalisation...do you mean the method of employing that
>>>>>>>> thought...because
>>>>>>>>> ....knowing...percieving something for the first time the mind
>>> will
>>>>>>>>> automatically fall back on the things it thinks it does know....
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Chad Moore<nis...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Knowledge unites, in being or in identity. Thinking
>>> separates, in
>>>>>>>>>> subject-object relationship.
>>>>>>>>>> Knowing has no place in the ordinary thought process. Thinking
>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>> which has to be known is wrong, since it moves in a vicious
>>>>> circle.
>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>> cannot think
>>>>>>>>>> of anything you have not known. Such thinking can never take
>>> you
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Truth.
>>>>>>>>>> But when you direct your thought to something (say yourself)
>>> which
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>>>>> visualized, the thought loses its own characteristics and
>>> limits,
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> stands
>>>>>>>>>> revealed as that Self (Consciousness) itself. Thought is thus
>>>>> reduced
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>> its essence.
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