excellent examples of the fashions at the time. The only reason this
may not seem to be the case today is that fashions change. In most
cases, what those in power do (including dress standards) is
attractive to most people for some reason or another.
What bothers me more today since we have lost the constitutional
protection against corporations is things like this. If you watch it,
please do so to the very end.
On May 25, 6:20 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good example, ornamentalmind! Plus FDR used the media of his day-
> Fireside Chats and news films- even to the staging of hiding his
> paralysis. Churchill is another example of the theatrics of politics.
> I guess I was thinking more of the impact of television and photo-ops
> plus the silence/bias of reporting but the ancients also used p.r. Now
> the internet is also a factor. And exposure to candid photos, security
> cameras, bugs, leaks... But did women want to look/dress like Bess
> Truman or Mamie Eisenhower? No. That was a new impact with Jackie-O.
> Still, there are other historical/fashion examples and influences-
> Marie Antoinette, for example. But what is the effect of this image
> making on politics and government?
>
> On May 24, 9:44 am, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zHN4vCfwh4
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> > On May 24, 5:39 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Actually, the media circus began with the Kennedys in our day and age
> > > but there are plenty of examples from our past, as well. Jefferson
> > > used nasty pamphlets, Jackson, etc.
>
> > > On May 24, 7:30 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In my opinion, politics have turned into a form of entertainment- esp.
> > > > since Bill Clinton. I have thought that a single tv or radio channel
> > > > should be reserved for political debate/election purposes...but who
> > > > would watch/listen? Perhaps the public needs the celebrity aspect to
> > > > get interested and even the aristocracy maintained/maintains
> > > > spectacle. I doubt the Founding Fathers would recognize our present
> > > > democracy- or approve it- they might consider it mob rule by the
> > > > lowest common denominator- the uneducated and easily swayed.
>
> > > > Well, let's not dally with despair! Solomon died ruined for all his
> > > > wisdom- many interesting figures/leaders crash one way or another plus
> > > > there's death!
>
> > > > Money/power is considered the root of all evil- probably because it
> > > > fogs morality and judgement.
>
> > > > There are some restrictions on income for pols but they are still in a
> > > > position to make their supporters/party wealthy. The public has little
> > > > control over life-effecting laws and decisions but the same has always
> > > > been true of governments and religions.
>
> > > > I would not enjoy a robot. I'd rather get another dog! :-) It's
> > > > frustrating to give up certain labors but I still manage most of it. I
> > > > quit the snow, lawn and garden a few years back but I have never been
> > > > timid about work which is funny- as a child I followed the help around
> > > > like a playmate. I even painted the shingles of a roof on my two-story
> > > > home- probably one of my more daring adventureous escapades- worked
> > > > one summer with a grad student who introduced me to rock, current lit,
> > > > etc.- he became a psychologist- I became a divorcee!
>
> > > > On May 24, 3:40 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Huh I don't see how you reached that conclusion when my initial
> > > > > premise is lets get rid of money, of greed, and find a better way?
> > > > > it
> > > > > I think that we shall always need leaders and I would rather live in a
> > > > > fully democratic sociaty then not.
>
> > > > > I would like to see democracy change a little though. The post of
> > > > > politician should be unpaid, shared and part time. There should eb
> > > > > laws made that say no fiscal gain can be made by politicions whilst in
> > > > > power and possibly not after also. That way well get only thoese who
> > > > > truely care about sociaty willing to do the job.
>
> > > > > On May 24, 6:07 am, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > i think worldwide democratic socialism is a good solution , no pres. ,
> > > > > > no office of power , many small niches all unified . listen to your
> > > > > > self lee , it sounds to me like u find it moraly (socialy) wrong to
> > > > > > speek ill of capitalism . now im not all about the current socialism
> > > > > > set up , nor am i for capitalism ( make belive democratic system ) the
> > > > > > answer would seem to be in the middle --- keep the democratic , lose
> > > > > > the capitalism --- lose the dictator , keep the socialism
> > > > > > ( humanitarian ) ,
>
> > > > > > leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > Hahah no I mean robotic work force.
>
> > > > > > > I mean no employment for us humans, robots take care of it all,
> > > > > > > including repair of broken robots.
>
> > > > > > > We can then pursue other things, as the state/s take care of our
> > > > > > > nessicitys/luxeries brought about by the work of our slave robots!
>
> > > > > > > It is truely scary this consumerisim, I have seen it increase in my
> > > > > > > short time on this planet, and it seems that things that where not
> > > > > > > counted as commodities a few years back are now so.
>
> > > > > > > Money brings you all that you say, and of course you need it to live,
> > > > > > > to pay bills, to buy food.
>
> > > > > > > I don't think it is money persay that is the problem, and I guess you
> > > > > > > are right, a barter system is open to the same flaws, I think it is
> > > > > > > this growing commoditisation of things and consummerisation of life
> > > > > > > that is to blame.
>
> > > > > > > It is the age old issue, the haves and the have nots. Make sure then
> > > > > > > that we all have, or that we all not. Ahhh but that is the raving
> > > > > > > Socialist in me speaking.
>
> > > > > > > On May 23, 2:08 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > You mean a stay-at-home mom in the traditional sense? (Stepford wife.)
>
> > > > > > > > The next gold/oil will be water as some of us have agreed many times.
>
> > > > > > > > To replace money, we could return to a barter system but that would
> > > > > > > > also be uneven/unfair depending upon demand and supply and even what
> > > > > > > > categories would constitute value.
>
> > > > > > > > What does money provide? Security, first of all, but this can be
> > > > > > > > tricky. Most seem to expend money to make more money or purchase
> > > > > > > > luxury goods so status is another aim. Control: if a nation's wealth
> > > > > > > > is worthless or inflated, so goes the ballgame; or if one's nation is
> > > > > > > > in debt or trapped in a cycle of expensive wars or nature/climate
> > > > > > > > impose frequent emergencies, stress on the food supply, etc. The
> > > > > > > > culture is also a culprit: what are its everyday values? Is a nation
> > > > > > > > shortsighted, flaky, uneducated, so on an so forth. Who makes the most
> > > > > > > > money in a culture? That's a real test of what a country values.
>
> > > > > > > > Thrift is a lowly virtue- nearly distained. So is labor: sedentary
> > > > > > > > classes must diet or join gyms/country clubs, employ servants, etc.
> > > > > > > > (My neighbor "gave" me her lawn guy- he is half the fee of my former %
> > > > > > > > $#&*%. She was also his customer- once. We decided he is having a mid-
> > > > > > > > life crisis. :-) )
>
> > > > > > > > On May 23, 6:55 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > Shaman,
>
> > > > > > > > > I have actualy given some thought to this and the most viable idea
> > > > > > > > > that I have is..........
>
> > > > > > > > > Robotic work force!
>
> > > > > > > > > On May 23, 12:52 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > hell ya lee , it will probably bring itself to an end with the
> > > > > > > > > > disappearance of oil , or a bunch of people could put there
> > > > > > > > > > organisational skills together and force an end to come , che took out
> > > > > > > > > > cuba with 28 dudes and some AKs. brand new ak47 = 600$ , but thats a
> > > > > > > > > > last resort ,..... have you read the art of war by sun tzu , actual
> > > > > > > > > > combat is very expensive and risky ,--- a war againt $ -- sounds more
> > > > > > > > > > plosable than the war on drugs , which was created to generate $ .
> > > > > > > > > > there is nothing i hate more than $ , and there is nothing i wouldnt
> > > > > > > > > > do to stop it , but as you say how? if someone did have a way , and
> > > > > > > > > > put it on the internet , they would probably be arrested !
>
> > > > > > > > > > leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > It all comes down to money in the end don't it, or rather as the Bible
> > > > > > > > > > > says the love of it.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Money the great Satan that stops otherwise good people from acting in
> > > > > > > > > > > a moraly correct way.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Meh! I'd like to see the end of it, but how are we ever to see that I
> > > > > > > > > > > wonder?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On May 21, 12:50 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > The cost of prison is about the same as education. I have heard the
> > > > > > > > > > > > figure as $30,000. but maybe it has gone up.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > What about abortion? That saves money.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > What about the final costs of health care for the aged? Should we just
> > > > > > > > > > > > send them a cyanide capsule?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > The history of mankind is violent punctuated with periods of peace/
> > > > > > > > > > > > altruism. Beyond resources, wealth and power what is the spur?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On May 19, 11:22 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com"
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep I think that the cost of appeals is proably what helps whack the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > overall cost up.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > But you take a strange stance here for a person who has previously
> > > > > > > > > > > > > said that you disagree with the dealth penalty because you can't trust
>
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