related to the Fairness Doctrine? I must say I am falling behind in
technology when I was once in the vanguard! (The days of C-64, VHS,
microwaves, etc. Lately, I have felt the whole business tiresome
although two of my children are current. Anyway, I am getting PCWorld
since so much hardware was delivered prior to my daughter's visit and
so I have totally faked out our sweet mailman! :-))
As to Eleanor, Bess and Mamie they did reflect the idea of a matron
and still had some of that bulk and raw boned look of the day but that
really did change with Jackie and future wives, I think. There were
scads of glamourous women during that time but they primarily dwelt in
fashion, society or entertainment. I think there was a certain
expectation of older wives and women that changed although it's not
always wise to play the fashionista or sex kitten and afterall, older
men change a great deal with age as well. It's all very superficial.
On May 25, 12:20 pm, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Actually, it is my understanding rigs that both Bess and Mamie were
> excellent examples of the fashions at the time. The only reason this
> may not seem to be the case today is that fashions change. In most
> cases, what those in power do (including dress standards) is
> attractive to most people for some reason or another.
>
> What bothers me more today since we have lost the constitutional
> protection against corporations is things like this. If you watch it,
> please do so to the very end.
>
> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/17/976725/-Jon-Stewart-warns-of...
>
> On May 25, 6:20 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Good example, ornamentalmind! Plus FDR used the media of his day-
> > Fireside Chats and news films- even to the staging of hiding his
> > paralysis. Churchill is another example of the theatrics of politics.
> > I guess I was thinking more of the impact of television and photo-ops
> > plus the silence/bias of reporting but the ancients also used p.r. Now
> > the internet is also a factor. And exposure to candid photos, security
> > cameras, bugs, leaks... But did women want to look/dress like Bess
> > Truman or Mamie Eisenhower? No. That was a new impact with Jackie-O.
> > Still, there are other historical/fashion examples and influences-
> > Marie Antoinette, for example. But what is the effect of this image
> > making on politics and government?
>
> > On May 24, 9:44 am, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zHN4vCfwh4
>
> > > On May 24, 5:39 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Actually, the media circus began with the Kennedys in our day and age
> > > > but there are plenty of examples from our past, as well. Jefferson
> > > > used nasty pamphlets, Jackson, etc.
>
> > > > On May 24, 7:30 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > In my opinion, politics have turned into a form of entertainment- esp.
> > > > > since Bill Clinton. I have thought that a single tv or radio channel
> > > > > should be reserved for political debate/election purposes...but who
> > > > > would watch/listen? Perhaps the public needs the celebrity aspect to
> > > > > get interested and even the aristocracy maintained/maintains
> > > > > spectacle. I doubt the Founding Fathers would recognize our present
> > > > > democracy- or approve it- they might consider it mob rule by the
> > > > > lowest common denominator- the uneducated and easily swayed.
>
> > > > > Well, let's not dally with despair! Solomon died ruined for all his
> > > > > wisdom- many interesting figures/leaders crash one way or another plus
> > > > > there's death!
>
> > > > > Money/power is considered the root of all evil- probably because it
> > > > > fogs morality and judgement.
>
> > > > > There are some restrictions on income for pols but they are still in a
> > > > > position to make their supporters/party wealthy. The public has little
> > > > > control over life-effecting laws and decisions but the same has always
> > > > > been true of governments and religions.
>
> > > > > I would not enjoy a robot. I'd rather get another dog! :-) It's
> > > > > frustrating to give up certain labors but I still manage most of it. I
> > > > > quit the snow, lawn and garden a few years back but I have never been
> > > > > timid about work which is funny- as a child I followed the help around
> > > > > like a playmate. I even painted the shingles of a roof on my two-story
> > > > > home- probably one of my more daring adventureous escapades- worked
> > > > > one summer with a grad student who introduced me to rock, current lit,
> > > > > etc.- he became a psychologist- I became a divorcee!
>
> > > > > On May 24, 3:40 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > Huh I don't see how you reached that conclusion when my initial
> > > > > > premise is lets get rid of money, of greed, and find a better way?
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > I think that we shall always need leaders and I would rather live in a
> > > > > > fully democratic sociaty then not.
>
> > > > > > I would like to see democracy change a little though. The post of
> > > > > > politician should be unpaid, shared and part time. There should eb
> > > > > > laws made that say no fiscal gain can be made by politicions whilst in
> > > > > > power and possibly not after also. That way well get only thoese who
> > > > > > truely care about sociaty willing to do the job.
>
> > > > > > On May 24, 6:07 am, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > i think worldwide democratic socialism is a good solution , no pres. ,
> > > > > > > no office of power , many small niches all unified . listen to your
> > > > > > > self lee , it sounds to me like u find it moraly (socialy) wrong to
> > > > > > > speek ill of capitalism . now im not all about the current socialism
> > > > > > > set up , nor am i for capitalism ( make belive democratic system ) the
> > > > > > > answer would seem to be in the middle --- keep the democratic , lose
> > > > > > > the capitalism --- lose the dictator , keep the socialism
> > > > > > > ( humanitarian ) ,
>
> > > > > > > leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hahah no I mean robotic work force.
>
> > > > > > > > I mean no employment for us humans, robots take care of it all,
> > > > > > > > including repair of broken robots.
>
> > > > > > > > We can then pursue other things, as the state/s take care of our
> > > > > > > > nessicitys/luxeries brought about by the work of our slave robots!
>
> > > > > > > > It is truely scary this consumerisim, I have seen it increase in my
> > > > > > > > short time on this planet, and it seems that things that where not
> > > > > > > > counted as commodities a few years back are now so.
>
> > > > > > > > Money brings you all that you say, and of course you need it to live,
> > > > > > > > to pay bills, to buy food.
>
> > > > > > > > I don't think it is money persay that is the problem, and I guess you
> > > > > > > > are right, a barter system is open to the same flaws, I think it is
> > > > > > > > this growing commoditisation of things and consummerisation of life
> > > > > > > > that is to blame.
>
> > > > > > > > It is the age old issue, the haves and the have nots. Make sure then
> > > > > > > > that we all have, or that we all not. Ahhh but that is the raving
> > > > > > > > Socialist in me speaking.
>
> > > > > > > > On May 23, 2:08 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > You mean a stay-at-home mom in the traditional sense? (Stepford wife.)
>
> > > > > > > > > The next gold/oil will be water as some of us have agreed many times.
>
> > > > > > > > > To replace money, we could return to a barter system but that would
> > > > > > > > > also be uneven/unfair depending upon demand and supply and even what
> > > > > > > > > categories would constitute value.
>
> > > > > > > > > What does money provide? Security, first of all, but this can be
> > > > > > > > > tricky. Most seem to expend money to make more money or purchase
> > > > > > > > > luxury goods so status is another aim. Control: if a nation's wealth
> > > > > > > > > is worthless or inflated, so goes the ballgame; or if one's nation is
> > > > > > > > > in debt or trapped in a cycle of expensive wars or nature/climate
> > > > > > > > > impose frequent emergencies, stress on the food supply, etc. The
> > > > > > > > > culture is also a culprit: what are its everyday values? Is a nation
> > > > > > > > > shortsighted, flaky, uneducated, so on an so forth. Who makes the most
> > > > > > > > > money in a culture? That's a real test of what a country values.
>
> > > > > > > > > Thrift is a lowly virtue- nearly distained. So is labor: sedentary
> > > > > > > > > classes must diet or join gyms/country clubs, employ servants, etc.
> > > > > > > > > (My neighbor "gave" me her lawn guy- he is half the fee of my former %
> > > > > > > > > $#&*%. She was also his customer- once. We decided he is having a mid-
> > > > > > > > > life crisis. :-) )
>
> > > > > > > > > On May 23, 6:55 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Shaman,
>
> > > > > > > > > > I have actualy given some thought to this and the most viable idea
> > > > > > > > > > that I have is..........
>
> > > > > > > > > > Robotic work force!
>
> > > > > > > > > > On May 23, 12:52 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > hell ya lee , it will probably bring itself to an end with the
> > > > > > > > > > > disappearance of oil , or a bunch of people could put there
> > > > > > > > > > > organisational skills together and force an end to come , che took out
> > > > > > > > > > > cuba with 28 dudes and some AKs. brand new ak47 = 600$ , but thats a
> > > > > > > > > > > last resort ,..... have you read the art of war by sun tzu , actual
> > > > > > > > > > > combat is very expensive and risky ,--- a war againt $ -- sounds more
> > > > > > > > > > > plosable than the war on drugs , which was created to generate $ .
> > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing i hate more than $ , and there is nothing i wouldnt
> > > > > > > > > > > do to stop it , but as you say how? if someone did have a way , and
> > > > > > > > > > > put it on the internet , they would probably be arrested !
>
> > > > > > > > > > > leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > It all comes down to money in the end don't it, or rather as the Bible
> > > > > > > > > > > > says the love of it.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Money the great Satan that stops otherwise good people from acting in
> > > > > > > > > > > > a moraly correct way.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Meh! I'd like to see the end of it, but how are we ever to see that I
> > > > > > > > > > > > wonder?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On May 21, 12:50 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The cost of prison is about the same as education. I have heard the
>
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