[Mind's Eye] Re: time

Lee, we've gone round and round about 'no-time' on more than one
occasion and in different forums.

So, I have little hope in making this notion acceptable to you which
is just fine.

This can be approached on many levels. One is when one is talking
about how long things exist, yes, all things have a beginning and an
end. *Things*...such as planets, people, thoughts etc.

Yet, if for just a moment we don't project this temporariness upon the
eternity which is obvious to many, when one is in eternity, time just
doesn't have any meaning at all. No beginning - No end.

On a different level...at least a little different...you suggest that
time will exist w/o people. This too, on one level is correct;
however, I suggest that the very idea of time is found only within
human thinking. No humans, no concept of time. Yes, one can *guess*
that things will continue to come and go...but the very idea of 'time'
just doesn't exist without a mind. The same is true for all other
ideas: planet, chin, hairs (gray or black), time, universe, mirror,
science, years, numbers, people...even "Lee" is but a concept thought
about. No thinking, no "Lee" (or any of the other things listed).

On May 3, 5:56 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
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> That's along the lines of the questions asked myself before deciding
> on my stance.
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> Time would go by if there was nobody there to percive it doing so.
> Indeed science would have the time pass since our universe started as
> several billion years.
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> When I look in the mirror I can see that time has passed, in the new
> lines in my face, in the ever increasing grey hairs on my head and on
> my chin.
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> I don't understand this 'there is no time' though OM, care to explian
> that one?
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> On May 3, 1:40 pm, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > TTS, I suggest that this isn't an either/or issue. Time as we perceive
> > it can be both. While in any ultimate sense, there is no time most of
> > us do wear watches and/or use clocks. It is a matter of level of
> > perception and we are able to perceive from more than one level at a
> > time.
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> > On May 3, 12:55 am, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > is time real or an illusion created by change ?   if indeed time is an
> > > illusion created by change shurely this must have meaning, some
> > > ramification on , at the least, the way we preceive ourselves and our
> > > universe to which we are a part .  if so what is the effect of this
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