of decay of matter, then it must have started the same time that the
universe did and will thus end when the universe does.
On May 4, 7:14 am, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> lee , do u veiw time as having a begining and an end , and therefore
> view it as a mesurment of decay ?
>
>
>
> leerevdoug...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > Hahahah OM old chap, you and I have been round and around on manny
> > matters, as you say though this is just fine.
>
> > Yes of course the perception of time is a construct of human thought,
> > it is as I say the way we measure decay.
>
> > Yes of course if we do not project time upon the eternity then time
> > cease to have any meaning.
>
> > Yet all that we know is contained in the universe and it is clear that
> > within this universe time exists independant of human thought.
>
> > All that is physical, all that is matter is subject to decay at a
> > certian rate, this is time working.
>
> > Do you belive then that whatever is apart from the universe does not
> > come under the juristriction of time? Are you saying that this thing
> > we call God in some places is not subject to time, and that this is
> > also true of anything not composed of matter but spirit instead? If
> > so then obviously I agree.
>
> > I must though disagree with you about concepts not existing without
> > somebody to concive of them. Sure I could probably think of a concept
> > or two where this is applicable, time though isnot one of them.
>
> > Before the Earth cooled down enough for life to start here a period of
> > time had passed, and although nobody was there to measure how much
> > time had passed, we can now do just that.
>
> > Time then like light, exists independant of a mind to think of it. In
> > fact are not all concepts our striving to understand what it is we
> > sense around us? There must then be forces to sense for us tho strive
> > to understand. Language is just labels we attach to things to enable
> > us to communicate about them. Are you really saying these things
> > would not exist if there where no mouths to utter the labels? Naaaa I
> > do not think that is what you are saying.
>
> > On May 3, 2:09 pm, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Lee, we've gone round and round about 'no-time' on more than one
> > > occasion and in different forums.
>
> > > So, I have little hope in making this notion acceptable to you which
> > > is just fine.
>
> > > This can be approached on many levels. One is when one is talking
> > > about how long things exist, yes, all things have a beginning and an
> > > end. *Things*...such as planets, people, thoughts etc.
>
> > > Yet, if for just a moment we don't project this temporariness upon the
> > > eternity which is obvious to many, when one is in eternity, time just
> > > doesn't have any meaning at all. No beginning - No end.
>
> > > On a different level...at least a little different...you suggest that
> > > time will exist w/o people. This too, on one level is correct;
> > > however, I suggest that the very idea of time is found only within
> > > human thinking. No humans, no concept of time. Yes, one can *guess*
> > > that things will continue to come and go...but the very idea of 'time'
> > > just doesn't exist without a mind. The same is true for all other
> > > ideas: planet, chin, hairs (gray or black), time, universe, mirror,
> > > science, years, numbers, people...even "Lee" is but a concept thought
> > > about. No thinking, no "Lee" (or any of the other things listed).
>
> > > On May 3, 5:56 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > That's along the lines of the questions asked myself before deciding
> > > > on my stance.
>
> > > > Time would go by if there was nobody there to percive it doing so.
> > > > Indeed science would have the time pass since our universe started as
> > > > several billion years.
>
> > > > When I look in the mirror I can see that time has passed, in the new
> > > > lines in my face, in the ever increasing grey hairs on my head and on
> > > > my chin.
>
> > > > I don't understand this 'there is no time' though OM, care to explian
> > > > that one?
>
> > > > On May 3, 1:40 pm, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > TTS, I suggest that this isn't an either/or issue. Time as we perceive
> > > > > it can be both. While in any ultimate sense, there is no time most of
> > > > > us do wear watches and/or use clocks. It is a matter of level of
> > > > > perception and we are able to perceive from more than one level at a
> > > > > time.
>
> > > > > On May 3, 12:55 am, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > is time real or an illusion created by change ? if indeed time is an
> > > > > > illusion created by change shurely this must have meaning, some
> > > > > > ramification on , at the least, the way we preceive ourselves and our
> > > > > > universe to which we are a part . if so what is the effect of this
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