disturbing and incomplete. " – Neil
Well said!...as do I.
Perchance you have transcended into higher spiritual realms the last
year or two?
On May 25, 4:37 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Very apposite Bill. I'm more often reminded of the 'my big brother is
> bigger than your big brother' stuff. I don't really go for making
> guesses about bifurcations of reality myself. I still find the
> apparent appearance of an 'I' in thoughts disturbing and incomplete.
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> On May 25, 6:36 pm, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > Other than the obvious prejudice for men and against women in most
> > cultures over the millennia, I've always wondered why god is
> > attributed with the male gender.
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> > Some ponderings include:
> > If he is immaterial, how is the gender determined?
> > Could such anthropomorphism and sex be attributed to a simple
> > projection of the author's gender in most holy books?
> > Since more men are physically more powerful than most women, is it
> > merely an attempt at a display of force? (even though we aren't
> > talking about a physical thing??...or are we?)
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> > I suggest that when attributing gender to a god or gods one should
> > remember as RP says that: "…Whoever God may be , good morals are a
> > necessity for a virtuous life and towards that end a person must
> > strive."
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> > This would include not excluding any gender when discussing god,
> > especially not the *majority* gender!
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> > Surely, 'sage's are not all men. Surely if one is to 'understand' this
> > 'person' whom one can't hear nor see, one would not wish to exclude a
> > gender! And for sure not all 'teachers' are men…or am I missing
> > something?
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> >http://www.bluemantshirts.com/images/bfs_slogans/finished/god_bigger.png
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> > On May 25, 8:32 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > God is not someone you can see or hear , but He is someone you can
> > > understand and for that you need a trained understanding.
> > > Understanding can be trained through years of study and deliberations
> > > and maybe not even then ,in which case you can rely on the words of a
> > > sage in whom you have faith. In any case only a man of faith gains
> > > knowledge because initially you have to have faith in someone or some
> > > scripture , to learn English you have to have faith in your teacher.
> > > Whoever God may be , good morals are a necessity for a virtuous life
> > > and towards that end a person must strive.
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> > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 7:32 PM, leerevdoug...@googlemail.com
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> > > <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > > > Perhaps Rigsy, I guess that depends on who you want to define the word
> > > > perfect?
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> > > > I like the idea that perfection meaning nothing else needing changing,
> > > > which means of course perfection is a stagnant thing. As we know
> > > > nowthing stays still all is in flux.
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> > > > If you belive that the universe is equated with the body of God, then
> > > > it is clear that the universe is always moving, and so in this way we
> > > > can say that at least the body of God is not perfect. Umm perhaps
> > > > then when we say that God is perfect it is purely spirit we talk
> > > > about?
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> > > > Yes indeed we can attain knowledge without experaince, what worth is
> > > > it though without the experiances? I think the old adage that
> > > > 'practice makes perfect' is very true. Us older people both 'know'
> > > > more about the workings of the world and have the 'expriances' to go
> > > > with the knowledge, this is wounderfull thing yes?
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> > > > I'm still learning to play the guitar, I have read and am still
> > > > reading many books, tracts, downloaed bits and bobs, but it is the
> > > > practice that will eventualy make me a better guitar player. In a
> > > > very real way the practice or the experiancine of some endevour feeds
> > > > the knowledge of it, the more practical experiances of a sphere of
> > > > knowledge you grab, the better you are able to 'know' it.
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> > > > Famouse writters when asked how to be a better writter offten simply
> > > > reply 'Just write'
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> > > > As to why you would paint your roof a diffrant colour, well perhaps
> > > > you got bored with the old one?
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> > > > I'm curious about many things, I have learnt over the years (through
> > > > experiance) to rein such curisotiy in, or risk my little mind
> > > > explodeing!
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> > > > On May 25, 2:38 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> This would indicate God is imperfect, lee. Even humans can attain
> > > >> knowledge without direct experience.
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> > > >> Weren't you curious about why I would paint a roof a different
> > > >> color? :-)
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> > > >> On May 24, 10:29 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com"
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> > > >> <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > > >> > I'm reading a book of short stories at the mo, one called The all-at
> > > >> > once man, by R A Lafferty has this concept of before the begining.
> > > >> > Paraphrasing wildly then:
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> > > >> > Before the begining was a perfect sphere spinning at a ferocious rate,
> > > >> > it didn't know any of this for there was nothing else by which to
> > > >> > measure such things.
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> > > >> > An infantisimal speck appared and the sphere had now had something
> > > >> > with which to relate, to measure it's own existance and dimenseons and
> > > >> > movment, and thus time was born.
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> > > >> > The sphere found that is was not perfect and this was because it was
> > > >> > spinning at such a rate as to deform, it soon deformed enough to
> > > >> > explode and all that is comes for the broken sphere.
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> > > >> > A similar thought occours in the set of books called Conversations
> > > >> > with God. The premise is that God is, and God is all knowing, but
> > > >> > being all knowing God decided that knowledge without experiance is
> > > >> > worthless, hence the creation of matter out of the spirit of God.
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> > > >> > I'm not sure on this idea, but you who know me, know I am taken with
> > > >> > the idea of matter from spirit.
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> > > >> > On May 24, 1:49 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > >> > > We have one mortal life but our spirit lives on through our works and
> > > >> > > relationships. Our body is like the transport that our spirit drives.
> > > >> > > Why then, would God be lonely and create Adam and Eve in the flesh?
> > > >> > > What did he lack with the angels? All myth, of course.
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> > > >> > > On May 23, 10:46 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > >> > > > All matter and all individualities are emanations from the One Self
> > > >> > > > and it is in the nature of emanations to be dualistic. I know it hurts
> > > >> > > > our pride to accept that we are mortals and have only this life , but
> > > >> > > > if we change our perceptions a little and identify ourselves with the
> > > >> > > > One Self instead of this body, then we would be having the right
> > > >> > > > perspective and really be the One and only Atman.
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> > > >> > > > On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:31 PM, leerevdoug...@googlemail.com
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> > > >> > > > <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > > >> > > > > I think perception is route to realisation perhaps.
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> > > >> > > > > Perception first, followed by evidance that such perceptions are valid
> > > >> > > > > (if only subjectily in some cases) leading to realisations.
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> > > >> > > > > As to the Blake quote.
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> > > >> > > > > My and my oldest son where having a convo last night, I can't really
> > > >> > > > > recall what it was about, but I asked him if he thought it at all
> > > >> > > > > possible that a 'thing' can act outside of it's 'nature'.
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> > > >> > > > > Perhaps it is the nature of man to have blinkered perceptions. Like
> > > >> > > > > the fly dog visualy percives in black an white, perhaps human kind
> > > >> > > > > simply cannot percive any other realms than it is capable of?
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> > > >> > > > > On May 21, 12:12 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > > > >> I see your point, a good one too. At what point does perception
> > > >> > > > >> become realization. But I would say that there is much more to
> > > >> > > > >> perception than sensory perception. As William Blake pointed out: "If
> > > >> > > > >> the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man
> > > >> > > > >> as it is, infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all
> > > >> > > > >> things through narrow chinks of his cavern."[
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> > > >> > > > >> On May 19, 7:19 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com" <l...@rdfmedia.com>
> > > >> > > > >> wrote:
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> > > >> > > > >> > Hey Molly,
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> > > >> > > > >> > Is such a thing truely a perception or a realisation?
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> > > >> > > > >> > I used to live with a bloke who is colour blind, we rented our place
> > > >> > > > >> > from two lesbians, and so his perception of the colour of his bedroom
> > > >> > > > >> > was grey. The bedroom was to my eyes coloured pink, but he knows that
> > > >> > > > >> > he is colour blind and although not sure of what colour I saw (until
> > > >> > > > >> > he asked me) he realised that his perception was not correct.
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> > > >> > > > >> > So we can have a realiastion that our perceptions may not be correct.
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> > > >> > > > >> > On May 19, 12:09 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > >> > > > >> > > How is it possible, from a non dual perspective, to perceive the world
> > > >> > > > >> > > as dualistic in nature, and thus an illusion (and separate from
> > > >> > > > >> > > self)? By definition, this view would remain dualistic. I do think it
> > > >> > > > >> > > true that how we view the world forms our experience. From a
> > > >> > > > >> > > dualistic view, some are right, some are wrong. From a non dual view,
> > > >> > > > >> > > all views are the One/many paradox that is One. How we view (and
> > > >> > > > >> > > experience) birth and death changes as we change. From a non dual
> > > >> > > > >> > > perspective, they are only states of transformation and not a
> > > >> > > > >> > > beginning or end.
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> > > >> > > > >> > > On May 17, 2:07 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > >> > > > >> > > > In duality there is the relationship of the observer and the observed
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