"Liking is For Cowards. Go For What Hurts." By Jonathan Franzen
<http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/29/opinion/29franzen.html>
Maybe we are a practice planet- like a practice wife? And that galaxy
300,000 light years away is the real deal + bliss.
Overbreeding is a form of sabotage or warfare as it disrupts and
drains society but selective breeding has another set of motives.
On May 28, 10:17 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's as if there are no arguments to me. There appears to be a huge
> debt burden, yet essentially we owe each other and could do with a
> jubilee. I can't take society as we have it, even really dropping out
> of it to find some peace. I know enough to know space travel is very
> hard, not least cosmic radiation in deep space. Nothing is really as
> empty as we think, even before we think of vacuum as only
> statistically empty.
> The purposes I grew up with all look dire, very much idols of my
> tribe. It may be that the time of my rugby league team (Warrington)
> has come round again. We've won the cup for the last two years and
> sit on top of the league. I feel the old stirrings when we dominate
> another side, yet also how vapid all the effort is. It's more as
> though we should step away from the old crap of war and rivalry.
> I used to see education as the answer - that if enough of us really
> knew stuff we'd find a critical social mass to move from the idiot
> economics religion. One personal answer for me is living abroad,
> where there is no 'news' to swamp me, none of the dreadful 'smalltalk
> yakker' of soap operas and reality television. I watched a film
> called Hotel Haribati some time ago, which was themed along the lines
> of how western society takes away all that matters through its
> pressures - but its ideal was in Syria.
> I think we might be at the edge of understanding control in complex,
> self-directed systems (though this is scarily called 'control theory')
> - this might help us overcome economics and its perverse motivations.
> But let's face it, we can't even trust people not to breed in excess,
> given any opportunity.
>
> On May 28, 3:26 am, twentyfirstcenturyslave <d...@colesart.ca> wrote:
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> > Seems we need to do some evolving first in order to comprehend a world
> > in which we can all work together to achieve the kind of space travel
> > required to reach distant planets.
> > I think most people think we have stopped evolving, but since
> > evolution takes such a long time, we won't realize it's happened until
> > after the fact. I'm hopeful. Okay, call me a dreamer.
>
> > On May 18, 2:58 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > I'm not sure how accurate they can be in revealing planets enough like
> > > ours to offer possibilities of a new promised land. They claim there
> > > is one 20 light years away, or 300,000 years at current space travel
> > > speeds. One can feel that this at least puts us somewhere near the
> > > position of 'Columbus'. Our current 'tin-foil' technology won't do,
> > > but at this kind of distance we are talking about something other than
> > > worm-holes, 'relativity flight' or the kind of physics in which
> > > distance is an illusion.
>
> > > For someone like me who can't take god-stories seriously and quite
> > > likes the idea of a human future (or at least the idea of evolution
> > > not just ending through catastrophe), there is an opportunity to
> > > believe in something distant in time and a need for us to direct
> > > ourselves towards it. A time, perhaps in which a form of conscious
> > > life can live very differently from now, and a project worth attaching
> > > to - perhaps a reason for spirituality. Comments on this or the
> > > technology welcome.- Hide quoted text -
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