> the problem with that argument is you can not replace good , his being is
> greater than the entirety of the universe. Waroom simply because he created
> it, to create something you have to be bigger than that which you created.
>
Thus the transcendent aspect of omnipresence. The immanent aspect
means that God must, also, exist throughout Creation.
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 5:40 AM, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > i believe it was the inca who said that all life is seperate but part
> > of the same life force that radiates from the createor who is at the
> > centre of the universe
>
> > if god lives in us wouldn't he share our experience , what was it ,
> > that which u do unto others u do also unto me, this from a christian
> > veiw
>
> > even marcus auralias ( you can easily argue ) held this point of view
> > with god replaced as self , that which u do unto other s u do also
> > unto yourself , would then be the wording
>
> > DarkwaterBlight wrote:
> > > How indeed! That was, most certainly, in jest at Allan's post about
> > > punishment.
>
> > > On Mar 28, 12:15 pm, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Mar 18, 6:48 pm, DarkwaterBlight <douglas.bli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > "LOL!! If I'm correct and "God is One" and we are all extensions of
> > > > > that One, then God suffers in every tradgedy, too. This is why I
> > > > > sometimes refer to God as "a glutton for experience", as God, being
> > > > > all, experiences all aspects of every act. In a murder, for example,
> > > > > God is both murderer and victim. God gets to experience all aspects
> > > > > simply because, in reality, there is no 'other'."- Pat
>
> > > > > Allan,
> > > > > How, then, could one be seperated from God?
>
> > > > > "God is actually very fascinating being. Within his being the entire
> > > > > contained.. As I see it the object is to be with our creator, as
> > > > > Confucius
> > > > > said To be in the presence of your creator is to be in heaven."-
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > Is it your understanding that, though within his being the entire is
> > > > > contained, that somehow God might seperate Self from Self and be
> > > > > absent from One's self? :P
>
> > > > Well, how can an omnipresent God be absent from anywhere?
>
> > > > > On Mar 18, 9:49 am, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mar 17, 3:14 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I doubt "punishment" was in the dinosaur "vocabulary" but we have
> > no
> > > > > > > idea how they viewed and coped with natural disasters, do we? We
> > have
> > > > > > > no idea how early mankind dealt with disasters except to study
> > the
> > > > > > > apes and chimps, I guess.
>
> > > > > > > "Where Was God" by William Safire was in last Sunday's NYTimes
> > then
> > > > > > > removed and so was any link as far as I could tell by Monday when
> > I
> > > > > > > thought to print it out. I finally found it through Google but
> > the
> > > > > > > link looks goofy so you are on your own. :-) He wrote this op-ed
> > in
> > > > > > > 2005 after the Indian Ocean tsunami and based his response on the
> > Book
> > > > > > > of Job re the questioning of faith in the midst of a natural
> > disaster
> > > > > > > and untold suffering. It tracks to humans being responsible to
> > lessen
> > > > > > > human suffering and injustice.
>
> > > > > > > The world is so depressing. Please do not try to cheer me up.
> > Thank
> > > > > > > you.
>
> > > > > > LOL!! If I'm correct and "God is One" and we are all extensions of
> > > > > > that One, then God suffers in every tradgedy, too. This is why I
> > > > > > sometimes refer to God as "a glutton for experience", as God, being
> > > > > > all, experiences all aspects of every act. In a murder, for
> > example,
> > > > > > God is both murderer and victim. God gets to experience all
> > aspects
> > > > > > simply because, in reality, there is no 'other'.
>
> > > > > > > On Mar 16, 7:26 am, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Mar 16, 6:47 am, iam deheretic <dehere...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Of course are not a punishment but rather a natural planetary
> > force that
> > > > > > > > > though it is going to happen is not preplanned nor can it be
> > said that it is
> > > > > > > > > in punishment.. those that say that I wonder about their
> > knowledge of right
> > > > > > > > > and wrong. . but there are some people that you will never be
> > able to
> > > > > > > > > explain anything because they know it all and their minds are
> > closed.
> > > > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > > It can't REALLY be a punishment, as we know earthquakes
> > happened long
> > > > > > > > before humans. I doubt very seriously if the dinosaurs viewed
> > > > > > > > earthquakes as punishments.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Ash <ashkas...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > "Life" is also a cereal.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I recently tried to convince someone that natural disasters
> > were not a
> > > > > > > > > > punishment from her God for those who do not believe. It
> > didn't go too well
> > > > > > > > > > and turned into an angry lecture on my part. Basically
> > substitute
> > > > > > > > > > "scripture" for "life" in a crash course of anthropology
> > and spirituality,
> > > > > > > > > > that's what it was. Why do I feel guilty?.. If it shakes
> > her faith and hope
> > > > > > > > > > I'll be damned, if she reflects and understands the larger
> > reality it will
> > > > > > > > > > strengthen. Sometimes to what seems at first an academic
> > matter, with
> > > > > > > > > > empathy and understanding, we find a great responsibility
> > in the actions we
> > > > > > > > > > take.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Risk. Isn't there a song about life being a poker game?
>
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > (
> > > > > > > > > )
> > > > > > > > > I_D Allan
>
> > > > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
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