[Mind's Eye] Re: Raison d'etre - can we find one

Malcolm, many other than self proclaimed objectivists believe that
moral values can be analyzed logically. It has been so for many
thousands of years… at least.

I'm not sure that Rand would suggest that 'reality exists independent
from reality..'.

However, to 'get your head around' her and her ilk, just change your
thinking to that of a current day Tea Party member…that is IF you can
get your head around that…
Of course, there would be little to nothing heard about said 'party'
if it weren't for the paid propaganda and political activism (read:
manufactured movement) of the Koch Brothers.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/us/22koch.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/21/947947/-The-Koch-Brothers-End-Game-in-Wisconsin

Here one runs into 'might makes right' quite quickly.

On Mar 30, 11:35 pm, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I too believe that virtue and hence correctness are subjective. Also,
> as in the Taoist tradition morality can be paradoxical. Ayn Rand would
> disagree and hold that reality exists independent from reality,  I
> believe that  objectivists believe that moral values can be analysed
> logically ,,,,,,,, I can't get my head around that!.
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> On Mar 31, 11:24 am, ornamentalmind <ornsmindseyes...@yahoo.com>
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> > Even here, the more commonly held notions of 'virtue' differ and are
> > quite subjective. No, a dictionary most likely won't 'help'; however,
> > on the off chance that it will...
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> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue#Aristotle.27s_virtues
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> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue#The_Buddhist_tradition
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> > etc.....
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> > On Mar 30, 7:00 am, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Your third answer apeals to me as it involves a decision by you.
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> > > On Mar 31, 12:13 am, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com"
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> > > <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > > > In truth this is what most of us would proably answer.  Myself I
> > > > choose both my first and my second answer.
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> > > > On Mar 30, 6:38 am, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > I would rather like to think that we can create a point.
> > > > > Ash seems to have.
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> > > > > On Mar 29, 10:44 pm, "leerevdoug...@googlemail.com"
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> > > > > <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > > > > > There are a few answers to this and it depends on your mind set and
> > > > > > your core beliefs.
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> > > > > > The obvious answer is God did it.  We are here to go to heaven, or
> > > > > > reach God, or merge with the God head or what ever the dogma of your
> > > > > > faith dercess is the porouse.
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> > > > > > Another answer is that we find meaning in our lives in what makes us
> > > > > > happy, indeed some would contend that this is the higest moral
> > > > > > obligation.
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> > > > > > Yet another answer is all is pointless, there is no point and so do
> > > > > > what you you like.
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> > > > > > Take your pick my freind which answer suits you?
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> > > > > > On Mar 28, 12:34 am, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > Raison D'etre
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> > > > > > > We are genetically successful in that we still exist. Historically our
> > > > > > > mutations have turned out to be apt for survival.
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> > > > > > > We have been endowed with the ability to reason and thus question our
> > > > > > > purpose.
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> > > > > > > Camus believed that human existence was essentially absurd. As Russell
> > > > > > > said 'All the labour of the ages, all the devotion, all the
> > > > > > > inspiration, all the noonday brightness of human genius  are destined
> > > > > > > to extinction in the vast death of the solar system'. This implies
> > > > > > > that human endeavour id pointless. As Douglas Adams said the answer to
> > > > > > > life the universe and existence is 42.
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> > > > > > > Realisation of this truth could imply that the only logical response
> > > > > > > is to give up on endeavour, even commit suicide.
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> > > > > > > However, we do have a short period of life wherein we can experience
> > > > > > > emotions; happiness, pain etc. Although difficult to explain are real
> > > > > > > in the sense that we can agree on the pleasure or displeasure that
> > > > > > > such experiences give us. Likewise we would agree that we would like
> > > > > > > our short existence to be pleasurable, even for the masochist.
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> > > > > > > Should we not be looking for the meaning of life; creating a meaning
> > > > > > > for life; endeavouring to change the human condition and society for
> > > > > > > the greater benefit of future generations. That one of these
> > > > > > > generations will be extinguished is of  no importance given the
> > > > > > > absurdity of existence.
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