two-way street. We are back to values and education- and empathy.
On Dec 9, 10:58 am, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> youre right Rigs.. media is from where these 'images' are
> constructed.. but isnt media a reflection of he state of he society..?
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> On Dec 9, 5:21 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > Infants are greedy little tyrants- so I think we are programmed with
> > strong survival instincts- which can be thwarted,
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> > I think the media has created hungers and envy.
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> > On Dec 9, 2:46 am, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Like Monkebus I think greed as we define it is mainly due to language,
> > > and like Vam think there are genetic motives for the behavior
> > > (physiological/psychological). Like other animals we seek to secure
> > > our survival by responding to our perceived environment, not
> > > necessarily to the world at hand but the psychological response to
> > > environmental pressures.
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> > > I've been watching the squirrels gathering various resources to fare
> > > our Michigan winter and pondering what it is like to feel the
> > > instinctual motive to respond to the change of seasons, for them I
> > > mean (qualia). Perhaps it starts with an urge, a compulsive behavior
> > > programmed into them that rewards them with peace or happiness to
> > > accomplish their preparations like collecting a store of fruits and
> > > nuts and to build their nest of leaves, grass and sticks in a tree.
> > > Perhaps it is more to assuage the anxiety of dissonance, perhaps they
> > > mostly exist in a panicky state as we would call it. A person who
> > > behaved as erratically as a squirrel would be institutionalized, the
> > > squirrel is in it's element near the woods, what natural ends I wonder
> > > that we might be seeking in our behaviors. I haven't read Kostler's
> > > Ghost in the Machine yet but I think this is what he referred to,
> > > these fundamental human imperatives that arise and remind us that you
> > > can take the ape out of the jungle but not visa-versa. It is obvious
> > > that the squirrel is doing what it needs to do to survive, and if it
> > > collects two times the needed nuts to do so it greatly improves it's
> > > survival short or overworking itself thus burning more energy and
> > > shortening it's life or to other chain effects.
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> > > Our insecurities can be manipulated, or our needs left ignored our
> > > capacities allow our sense of want, insecurity, and anxieties to
> > > create unending feelings of desire. We can breed all year, we can
> > > think very very far ahead. It brings into question what environment
> > > would be most beneficial for us- nature is reckless but effective. If
> > > greed is a problem I think it isn't due to flawed human beings as much
> > > as the failure to take what we know of the world and ourselves and
> > > apply it our societies in a sensible manner. The cost of convenience
> > > is rising, we've been riding high on the waste hog for a very long
> > > time. It will probably get a bit worse, people are willing to cling to
> > > false security, we've invested too much in this hand to fold, we are
> > > narcissistic, arrogant and full of pride. The only thing left to do it
> > > actually find some solutions.
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> > > A return to Eden, the noble savage and such isn't where I'm headed
> > > with this, that sounds a bit too nostalgic and I don't think would fit
> > > the long term cultural/technological/evolutionary requirements for
> > > survival. Sorry this turned out a little longwinded PSK, but I enjoy
> > > the exercise. :)
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> > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:26 AM, pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hey everyone... i have been very dull of late with little mind
> > > > activity... but.. today i was just going through Hind Swaraj.... and
> > > > well its not about the book.. in the review pages.. i read something
> > > > about Greed.. and it got me thinking.... only humans have greed
> > > > right... i find it very peculiar.. the most common vice one is taught
> > > > against from childhood...What is the nature of it... is there or can
> > > > there be a why?... when does wanting enough turn to greed.... the
> > > > dictionary defines it as wanting more than is necessary.... well..
> > > > that appplies to everything then!.. we always have and want more than
> > > > necessary or required... is being careful and cautious greedy(in
> > > > wanting enough and more)... is being ambitious greedy.... why is being
> > > > greedy wrong? ....very simplistic questions.. but i want to know what
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