times GDP. Bottles of Vam's spirit are sadly not available.
On Dec 6, 7:47 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Francis of Assisi once said that it is better to understand than be
> understood. there is a time to understand what the wise men of the past had
> to say and why they said it.
> The world has a lot of problems today and a great deal of double talk and
> little action or direction. Most and a lot of what is said is irrelevant
> and immaterial.
>
> The changes the world needs to escape from a market economy and back more
> to a traditional economy where local value come into much greater play,
> this is where the jobs are created,, On the other hand in the market
> economy everything is driven by the profit. The profit concept and the loss
> or creation of jobs is entirely irrevelent,, all that is of importance is
> making a profit no matter the effect on the population. As I examine the
> problem looking for what has changed what seems to pop out is the loss of
> morality. Oddly what I do not see is the extreme protestant view
> that morality was everything, Not that I think it was great or really
> approve of it,,, it what I now see is it shifting to preachers out
> screaming "Have you accepted jesus christ as your personal savior" leaving
> a total vacancy in the importance of morality.
>
> As I watch the news the focus is on the markets.. and the market people
> trying to control the world.. that gets into my opinion which is of little
> value..I do think though that a direction of increasing morality..
> Allan
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> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Perhaps... especially for you...
> > the solution would be more effectively and compellingly projected on
> > images of beauty. All the science in the world cannot match its power
> > to move us.
>
> > Why ? Better, How ?
> > By filling us with feeling, void of thought, and making us come alive.
>
> > On Dec 6, 3:12 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Camels make horrendous noise too rigsy. The dried dung was once used
> > > to bake bread on. We can no doubt any grand narrative but don't seem
> > > much good at using this to create new ones. It's all deconstruction
> > > when we need to be ab;e to deconstruct and rebuild.
>
> > > On Dec 5, 11:36 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I read the "needle" was a tight gate in the walls around ancient
> > > > Jerusalem and traders loaded with booty and goods had difficulty
> > > > squeezing through. I did ride a camel in Egypt and they are smelly
> > > > beyond belief.
>
> > > > On Dec 5, 3:08 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > LOL oddly it is possible to get a camel through the eye of a
> > needle of a
> > > > > needle.. it is possible but you have to get a camel to walk on its
> > knees..
> > > > > but there is a price to pay for that..
> > > > > Allan
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> > > > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > You must have discovered how muh harder it gets to thread the eye
> > of a
> > > > > > needle as the simplicity of youth fades Allan!
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> > > > > > On Dec 5, 4:35 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > II just received from a friend of mine and Tim always makes me
> > think..
> > > > > > It
> > > > > > > really suddenly dawned on me (I can be all wet) is the suppose
> > of
> > > > > > religion
> > > > > > > is not really for salvation and the nest life but in reality is
> > to teach
> > > > > > > morality.
>
> > > > > > > It seems that the churches to day give a quick brush over
> > morality and
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > get to the work of salvation.. and the next life.. I am laughing
> > to my
> > > > > > self
> > > > > > > because if you lose morality you lose salvation. The greatest
> > problems
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > this day are the lose of morality and the teaching of
> > morality,, It
> > > > > > seems
> > > > > > > the teaching of morality is for the other guy but the rules of
> > morality
> > > > > > do
> > > > > > > not apply to me.
> > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Well sadly Ireland is good of a country giving away what is
> > not
> > > > > > theirs to
> > > > > > > > start off with..
> > > > > > > > and you are right most of the problems are moral ones.
> > > > > > > > religious leaders are as much fault as they no longer teach
> > morality
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > their fundamentalism,, but rather in christianity's case all
> > is for
> > > > > > given
> > > > > > > > if you accept jesus christ as your personal savior..
>
> > > > > > > > I see the Us has passed a new law giving the military
> > > > > > > > complete authority with out fear of the Justice system.. it
> > will be a
> > > > > > > > while but before long the USA will become a military
> > dictatorship..
> > > > > > A sad
> > > > > > > > moment in US history. I think this is a result of the Occupy
> > movement
> > > > > > > > putting fear into the Banksters ,, lead by the wealth of the
> > > > > > Republican
> > > > > > > > party and the 1% knowing the people are right and being afraid
> > that
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > have been caught and unwilling to give up power..
> > > > > > > > Allan
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> > > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:28 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=killing-one-.
> > > > > > ..
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> > > > > > > >> I believe most of our "economic" problems are really moral
> > ones. The
> > > > > > > >> problem is most of what "morality" is is just so much turkey.
> > The
> > > > > > > >> problem expressed in the link above is whether to divert a
> > train that
> > > > > > > >> will kill 5 innocent people to another line where it will
> > kill only
> > > > > > > >> one innocent person. 90% of us divert the train in a
> > simulation.
>
> > > > > > > >> Moral problems as posed to me in real life have never been so
> > simple.
> > > > > > > >> I won't go into them here but can hint. In the UK's internal
> > war in
> > > > > > > >> Northern Ireland I was asked to do appalling things with
> > informants
> > > > > > > >> (and via pressuring wives and families) - the excuse was 'the
> > greater
> > > > > > > >> good'. I know now I was conned.
>
> > > > > > > >> What might a modern morality of the greater good be? What
> > are the
> > > > > > > >> problems with "morality" and how might we fix them. The
> > Saudis are
> > > > > > > >> putting forward interesting extremes such as allowing women
> > to drive
> > > > > > > >> cars 'bringing about' all sorts of corruption like
> > homosexuality and
> > > > > > > >> adultery. What of the role of madness, rationalisation and
> > the clown
> > > > > > > >> zealot in morality? And what role do facts play?
>
> > > > > > > >> The train example is easy - but what if the person on the
> > other line
> > > > > > > >> is your son or daughter? Would you shoot a child suicide
> > bomber
> > > > > > > >> advancing into a crowded area if you had time to run to her
> > and only
> > > > > > > >> put your life at risk? Do you really think your performance
> > in the
> > > > > > > >> field would match that in thought experiment?
>
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > (
> > > > > > > > )
> > > > > > > > |_D Allan
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> > > > > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > (
> > > > > > > )
> > > > > > > |_D Allan
>
> > > > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > > > --
> > > > > (
> > > > > )
> > > > > |_D Allan
>
> > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > - Show quoted text -
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> --
> (
> )
> |_D Allan
>
> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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