Sunday, August 31, 2014

Re: Mind's Eye trust

A consideration of trust does require self examination. Who do I trust, how, when, why? Do I trust the intentions of others? So I trust that politicians, in general, are working in the best interest of their constituents? When things seem to go "wrong," do I trust that everything will be alright? Can I trust that I will persevere in every circumstance?

In every case there is a relationship between self and other or self and group that requires clear perceptions and understanding of the people and dynamic. I think that clarity, or lack of, often creates barriers to trust and challenges in dynamic.

But no matter what we are experiencing at any given time, a certain amount of trust is required to continue the momentum in life.  Trust that life works, that I can work in life. If I am not trusting others, how does that effect my experience. My viewpoint? My life? What do you think?

On Friday, August 29, 2014 5:43:21 PM UTC-4, Molly wrote:
Doubt is another good topic. The movie with Meryl Streep and Phillip Seymour Hoffman was terrific. Made me examine at my own doubt.

Trusting yourself is the crux I suppose. Some people never fail to disappoint and in those cases, trusting yourself may redeem the experience.

On Friday, August 29, 2014 5:08:15 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
Wasn't it Kipling that said "If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you and make allowances for their doubting too,"

Allan
Living Soul

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I've been thinking about something that Don said, about not trusting many people.  Is trust important in our relationships?  Can we extend trust to everyone, at least a modicum of it? What does it take to trust someone completely?

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Friday, August 29, 2014

Re: Mind's Eye trust

Doubt is another good topic. The movie with Meryl Streep and Phillip Seymour Hoffman was terrific. Made me examine at my own doubt.

Trusting yourself is the crux I suppose. Some people never fail to disappoint and in those cases, trusting yourself may redeem the experience.

On Friday, August 29, 2014 5:08:15 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
Wasn't it Kipling that said "If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you and make allowances for their doubting too,"

Allan
Living Soul

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Subject: Mind's Eye trust

I've been thinking about something that Don said, about not trusting many people.  Is trust important in our relationships?  Can we extend trust to everyone, at least a modicum of it? What does it take to trust someone completely?

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Re: Mind's Eye trust

Wasn't it Kipling that said "If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you and make allowances for their doubting too,"

Allan
Living Soul

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I've been thinking about something that Don said, about not trusting many people.  Is trust important in our relationships?  Can we extend trust to everyone, at least a modicum of it? What does it take to trust someone completely?

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: Positive ideas education

There is a great deal of difference between being fluid and thinking on your feet. What I personally see in you is a person tossed about by the wind and waves with little direction or ballasting ,  but then again i am not in position to judge your soul. It seems to me you all ready know it all and have nothing you need to learn.
Me I think I will join Molly and opt out.

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OK Molly, I will respect your opting out and not conversing with me because my "fluid" position is too challenging for your intellect.
Do any of you other "thinkers" feel the same way as Molly?. Who also finds having a rigid position more intelligent?
I suppose a non-changing rigid dogmatic position of parroting what they teach at school is exactly what these pricy and snobby schools and their professors demand of their students. And perhaps that is also what the CEOs of the large corporations demand of their employers. Part of being free is being able to be fluid enough to change your mind on any position, and part of showing respect is to have the honesty and humility to do so. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 9:49:48 PM UTC+2, Molly wrote:
....And I am reminded that your fluid position makes it difficult to have an intelligent conversation with you, so excuse me if I opt out on this one now.



On Friday, August 29, 2014 3:12:22 PM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:
You have to show respect to earn it yourself. If you love your enemies, you will not have any. You have to be patient, good things take time to take root. Hope is a powerful thing. Do not give up too soon. Its better to be positive and optimistic, than to be negative and pessimistic. Perhaps you should change your line of work.
On Friday, August 29, 2014 6:56:53 PM UTC+2, Molly wrote:
I have to say that in my line of work, I have not seen much respect for other peoples views.  There is quite a bit of hate in the world.  I'm not judging it, just tired of dealing with it all week.  Glad for the holiday weekend.  Respect cannot be legislated, and not everyone is capable. If your model depends on it, I would find a different one.

On Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59:30 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:
Perhaps one needs to find the golden middle- not too small and not too big, but just right. What would the golden middle be for our world? How many languages, how many countries, how many religions. What is the ideal size of a family? The golden middle should be found not by scientists or religious leaders, but by the people themselves. As long as we do not have "too big to fail" mentalities, and as long as we respect people`s views, and their desire to be free, everything should gravitate automatically to the golden middle point. And if things get too big, let them fail and break up. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 4:07:15 PM UTC+2, Molly wrote:
I find the philosophy of focusing locally ethnocentric and short sited if that is the whole of it.  Working with local community for local needs is important, but so is a more global focus like world peace, climate change, space program, world hunger, disease irradiation...these things can't be resolved on the local level yet individuals can make a difference on them within their communities.  My local community does not manufacture cars, but there are certainly enough made in my state, so I need to expand my scope to get one.  I have a Land Rover for brutal Michigan winter driving, so there, I have supported Archy's community too.  

Folks are drawn to herd mentality for many reasons, usually an underdeveloped mind. There is no particular "they" doing the brainwashing but the cultural norm of the time, whether it be local, national or global culture.  Each of us is responsible for our own development, we choose to look away from ourselves and get stuck in a stage of development, or choose to face what stops us and get beyond it.  An ongoing process of introspection that many find too painful to pursue. Those who believe in conspiracies are themselves stifled by the belief that forces beyond their control limit them. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 5:48:36 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:

Nature clearly demonstrates cycles of growth and separation.  This trend is seen from cells to mountains and from families to empires.  Growth reaches a point where the size becomes too big to sustain itself and then falls apart, separating into smaller better manageable pieces.  Man tends to interfere with nature, and the trend to globalization as desired by the few greedy powerful that want to have it all is a clear indication of this.  Schools have followed this trend. They started out as facilities of learning in families and communities. They became international centers of indoctrination.  Politics also have followed this trend. They started out as communities and ended up as empires. Businesses started out as family run enterprises and ended up as global corporations.  Left to themselves, they will all get too big and fall into smaller pieces.  Thanks to the technologies available at the present, this cycle of growth and separation can be allowed to follow without the normal destructive processes that would be otherwise necessary to allow the "too big to fail" to fail.

For schools and education, this is the internet. For empires, this is the democratic process of voting instead of wars.  For the banks, this is the bitcoin protocol.

It high time for people, especially educated ones and those claiming to be "free thinkers" to embrace these possibilities.  But unfortunately too many are already brainwashed.  

There is hope. The simple solution to this ever growing trend of the few rich to actually get it all is not to play along. Once people actually find that "local small" is more desirable to "global big", then the first step is made. Then you can vote with your wallet and support local schools and businesses over the global ones. This is possible because the driving force of these greedy few rich that want it all is money.

If this seems too simplistic, it is because most "thinkers" are brainwashed to believe in "the bigger the better" way of thinking. Most "thinkers" also are brainwashed to believe that "if it is too simple, then it has not been fully thought out and needs more expertise to make it work at all".  Unfortunately with the mass media, most of us have been brainwashed not to think at all and to be complacent with entertainment and drugs.  

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Mind's Eye trust

I've been thinking about something that Don said, about not trusting many people.  Is trust important in our relationships?  Can we extend trust to everyone, at least a modicum of it? What does it take to trust someone completely?

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: Positive ideas education

All you say may be true, but when you change your mind and say something completely different in the next post, you lose me.  Yes, I might not be smart enough for you Andrew.  That is for sure. Reason has its place in the big picture.

On Friday, August 29, 2014 4:41:19 PM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:
OK Molly, I will respect your opting out and not conversing with me because my "fluid" position is too challenging for your intellect.
Do any of you other "thinkers" feel the same way as Molly?. Who also finds having a rigid position more intelligent?
I suppose a non-changing rigid dogmatic position of parroting what they teach at school is exactly what these pricy and snobby schools and their professors demand of their students. And perhaps that is also what the CEOs of the large corporations demand of their employers. Part of being free is being able to be fluid enough to change your mind on any position, and part of showing respect is to have the honesty and humility to do so. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 9:49:48 PM UTC+2, Molly wrote:
....And I am reminded that your fluid position makes it difficult to have an intelligent conversation with you, so excuse me if I opt out on this one now.



On Friday, August 29, 2014 3:12:22 PM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:
You have to show respect to earn it yourself. If you love your enemies, you will not have any. You have to be patient, good things take time to take root. Hope is a powerful thing. Do not give up too soon. Its better to be positive and optimistic, than to be negative and pessimistic. Perhaps you should change your line of work.
On Friday, August 29, 2014 6:56:53 PM UTC+2, Molly wrote:
I have to say that in my line of work, I have not seen much respect for other peoples views.  There is quite a bit of hate in the world.  I'm not judging it, just tired of dealing with it all week.  Glad for the holiday weekend.  Respect cannot be legislated, and not everyone is capable. If your model depends on it, I would find a different one.

On Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59:30 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:
Perhaps one needs to find the golden middle- not too small and not too big, but just right. What would the golden middle be for our world? How many languages, how many countries, how many religions. What is the ideal size of a family? The golden middle should be found not by scientists or religious leaders, but by the people themselves. As long as we do not have "too big to fail" mentalities, and as long as we respect people`s views, and their desire to be free, everything should gravitate automatically to the golden middle point. And if things get too big, let them fail and break up. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 4:07:15 PM UTC+2, Molly wrote:
I find the philosophy of focusing locally ethnocentric and short sited if that is the whole of it.  Working with local community for local needs is important, but so is a more global focus like world peace, climate change, space program, world hunger, disease irradiation...these things can't be resolved on the local level yet individuals can make a difference on them within their communities.  My local community does not manufacture cars, but there are certainly enough made in my state, so I need to expand my scope to get one.  I have a Land Rover for brutal Michigan winter driving, so there, I have supported Archy's community too.  

Folks are drawn to herd mentality for many reasons, usually an underdeveloped mind. There is no particular "they" doing the brainwashing but the cultural norm of the time, whether it be local, national or global culture.  Each of us is responsible for our own development, we choose to look away from ourselves and get stuck in a stage of development, or choose to face what stops us and get beyond it.  An ongoing process of introspection that many find too painful to pursue. Those who believe in conspiracies are themselves stifled by the belief that forces beyond their control limit them. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 5:48:36 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:

Nature clearly demonstrates cycles of growth and separation.  This trend is seen from cells to mountains and from families to empires.  Growth reaches a point where the size becomes too big to sustain itself and then falls apart, separating into smaller better manageable pieces.  Man tends to interfere with nature, and the trend to globalization as desired by the few greedy powerful that want to have it all is a clear indication of this.  Schools have followed this trend. They started out as facilities of learning in families and communities. They became international centers of indoctrination.  Politics also have followed this trend. They started out as communities and ended up as empires. Businesses started out as family run enterprises and ended up as global corporations.  Left to themselves, they will all get too big and fall into smaller pieces.  Thanks to the technologies available at the present, this cycle of growth and separation can be allowed to follow without the normal destructive processes that would be otherwise necessary to allow the "too big to fail" to fail.

For schools and education, this is the internet. For empires, this is the democratic process of voting instead of wars.  For the banks, this is the bitcoin protocol.

It high time for people, especially educated ones and those claiming to be "free thinkers" to embrace these possibilities.  But unfortunately too many are already brainwashed.  

There is hope. The simple solution to this ever growing trend of the few rich to actually get it all is not to play along. Once people actually find that "local small" is more desirable to "global big", then the first step is made. Then you can vote with your wallet and support local schools and businesses over the global ones. This is possible because the driving force of these greedy few rich that want it all is money.

If this seems too simplistic, it is because most "thinkers" are brainwashed to believe in "the bigger the better" way of thinking. Most "thinkers" also are brainwashed to believe that "if it is too simple, then it has not been fully thought out and needs more expertise to make it work at all".  Unfortunately with the mass media, most of us have been brainwashed not to think at all and to be complacent with entertainment and drugs.  

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: Positive ideas education

OK Molly, I will respect your opting out and not conversing with me because my "fluid" position is too challenging for your intellect.
Do any of you other "thinkers" feel the same way as Molly?. Who also finds having a rigid position more intelligent?
I suppose a non-changing rigid dogmatic position of parroting what they teach at school is exactly what these pricy and snobby schools and their professors demand of their students. And perhaps that is also what the CEOs of the large corporations demand of their employers. Part of being free is being able to be fluid enough to change your mind on any position, and part of showing respect is to have the honesty and humility to do so. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 9:49:48 PM UTC+2, Molly wrote:
....And I am reminded that your fluid position makes it difficult to have an intelligent conversation with you, so excuse me if I opt out on this one now.



On Friday, August 29, 2014 3:12:22 PM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:
You have to show respect to earn it yourself. If you love your enemies, you will not have any. You have to be patient, good things take time to take root. Hope is a powerful thing. Do not give up too soon. Its better to be positive and optimistic, than to be negative and pessimistic. Perhaps you should change your line of work.
On Friday, August 29, 2014 6:56:53 PM UTC+2, Molly wrote:
I have to say that in my line of work, I have not seen much respect for other peoples views.  There is quite a bit of hate in the world.  I'm not judging it, just tired of dealing with it all week.  Glad for the holiday weekend.  Respect cannot be legislated, and not everyone is capable. If your model depends on it, I would find a different one.

On Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59:30 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:
Perhaps one needs to find the golden middle- not too small and not too big, but just right. What would the golden middle be for our world? How many languages, how many countries, how many religions. What is the ideal size of a family? The golden middle should be found not by scientists or religious leaders, but by the people themselves. As long as we do not have "too big to fail" mentalities, and as long as we respect people`s views, and their desire to be free, everything should gravitate automatically to the golden middle point. And if things get too big, let them fail and break up. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 4:07:15 PM UTC+2, Molly wrote:
I find the philosophy of focusing locally ethnocentric and short sited if that is the whole of it.  Working with local community for local needs is important, but so is a more global focus like world peace, climate change, space program, world hunger, disease irradiation...these things can't be resolved on the local level yet individuals can make a difference on them within their communities.  My local community does not manufacture cars, but there are certainly enough made in my state, so I need to expand my scope to get one.  I have a Land Rover for brutal Michigan winter driving, so there, I have supported Archy's community too.  

Folks are drawn to herd mentality for many reasons, usually an underdeveloped mind. There is no particular "they" doing the brainwashing but the cultural norm of the time, whether it be local, national or global culture.  Each of us is responsible for our own development, we choose to look away from ourselves and get stuck in a stage of development, or choose to face what stops us and get beyond it.  An ongoing process of introspection that many find too painful to pursue. Those who believe in conspiracies are themselves stifled by the belief that forces beyond their control limit them. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 5:48:36 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:

Nature clearly demonstrates cycles of growth and separation.  This trend is seen from cells to mountains and from families to empires.  Growth reaches a point where the size becomes too big to sustain itself and then falls apart, separating into smaller better manageable pieces.  Man tends to interfere with nature, and the trend to globalization as desired by the few greedy powerful that want to have it all is a clear indication of this.  Schools have followed this trend. They started out as facilities of learning in families and communities. They became international centers of indoctrination.  Politics also have followed this trend. They started out as communities and ended up as empires. Businesses started out as family run enterprises and ended up as global corporations.  Left to themselves, they will all get too big and fall into smaller pieces.  Thanks to the technologies available at the present, this cycle of growth and separation can be allowed to follow without the normal destructive processes that would be otherwise necessary to allow the "too big to fail" to fail.

For schools and education, this is the internet. For empires, this is the democratic process of voting instead of wars.  For the banks, this is the bitcoin protocol.

It high time for people, especially educated ones and those claiming to be "free thinkers" to embrace these possibilities.  But unfortunately too many are already brainwashed.  

There is hope. The simple solution to this ever growing trend of the few rich to actually get it all is not to play along. Once people actually find that "local small" is more desirable to "global big", then the first step is made. Then you can vote with your wallet and support local schools and businesses over the global ones. This is possible because the driving force of these greedy few rich that want it all is money.

If this seems too simplistic, it is because most "thinkers" are brainwashed to believe in "the bigger the better" way of thinking. Most "thinkers" also are brainwashed to believe that "if it is too simple, then it has not been fully thought out and needs more expertise to make it work at all".  Unfortunately with the mass media, most of us have been brainwashed not to think at all and to be complacent with entertainment and drugs.  

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: Positive ideas education

I hear a call, now will I answer?
Forsake my all to serve another
Though darkness falls stay a believer
I hear a call, now will I answer?

I see a light, now will I follow?
Fill up this life that grows more hollow
Make joy reside where there lives sorrow
I see a light, now will I follow?

I hear a call
From out of nowhere
And from everywhere I go
I hear a call, now will I answer?

I feel a touch, now will I hold on?
Be there with love for those with no one
With a kindness such, it lives though I'm gone
I feel a touch, now will I hold on?

I hear a call
From out of nowhere
And from everywhere I go
I see a light, now will I follow

I feel a touch, now will I hold on?
I hear a call, now will I answer?

Songwriters
ARATA, TONY




Read more: Emmylou Harris - I Hear A Call Lyrics | MetroLyrics 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 3:49:48 PM UTC-4, Molly wrote:
We are all called to do what we are called to do, Andrew. As far as showing respect to "earn" it, in your first scenario, everyone would need to be showing it all the time. Now you have switched it up with a new formula: show it to earn it.  If this worked at all, there would be no hate crimes, no hate crime law necessary and no racism, homophobia, agism, or any other kind of discrimination.  But the world is full of fear and discrimination and it is aimed against the innocent, so your formula doesn't work at all, either one of them.  And I am reminded that your fluid position makes it difficult to have an intelligent conversation with you, so excuse me if I opt out on this one now.

Don't get me wrong, a world of complete respect for everyone and no crime or war would be great.  I won't hold my breath, but I do wish the best for everyone. I get why Neil is all copped out, never had illusions otherwise. But I can find my place of peace and feel the love common in all humanity come nightfall. Luckily, at the end of a tough day, I can do that.  Non duality includes duality.  It hurts more and I guess if I am honest with myself, bothers me less over time, ever so slowly.  I wish it would hurry up and bother me much less today.  Ah well, nothing to do but carry on.

On Friday, August 29, 2014 3:12:22 PM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:
You have to show respect to earn it yourself. If you love your enemies, you will not have any. You have to be patient, good things take time to take root. Hope is a powerful thing. Do not give up too soon. Its better to be positive and optimistic, than to be negative and pessimistic. Perhaps you should change your line of work.
On Friday, August 29, 2014 6:56:53 PM UTC+2, Molly wrote:
I have to say that in my line of work, I have not seen much respect for other peoples views.  There is quite a bit of hate in the world.  I'm not judging it, just tired of dealing with it all week.  Glad for the holiday weekend.  Respect cannot be legislated, and not everyone is capable. If your model depends on it, I would find a different one.

On Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59:30 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:
Perhaps one needs to find the golden middle- not too small and not too big, but just right. What would the golden middle be for our world? How many languages, how many countries, how many religions. What is the ideal size of a family? The golden middle should be found not by scientists or religious leaders, but by the people themselves. As long as we do not have "too big to fail" mentalities, and as long as we respect people`s views, and their desire to be free, everything should gravitate automatically to the golden middle point. And if things get too big, let them fail and break up. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 4:07:15 PM UTC+2, Molly wrote:
I find the philosophy of focusing locally ethnocentric and short sited if that is the whole of it.  Working with local community for local needs is important, but so is a more global focus like world peace, climate change, space program, world hunger, disease irradiation...these things can't be resolved on the local level yet individuals can make a difference on them within their communities.  My local community does not manufacture cars, but there are certainly enough made in my state, so I need to expand my scope to get one.  I have a Land Rover for brutal Michigan winter driving, so there, I have supported Archy's community too.  

Folks are drawn to herd mentality for many reasons, usually an underdeveloped mind. There is no particular "they" doing the brainwashing but the cultural norm of the time, whether it be local, national or global culture.  Each of us is responsible for our own development, we choose to look away from ourselves and get stuck in a stage of development, or choose to face what stops us and get beyond it.  An ongoing process of introspection that many find too painful to pursue. Those who believe in conspiracies are themselves stifled by the belief that forces beyond their control limit them. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 5:48:36 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:

Nature clearly demonstrates cycles of growth and separation.  This trend is seen from cells to mountains and from families to empires.  Growth reaches a point where the size becomes too big to sustain itself and then falls apart, separating into smaller better manageable pieces.  Man tends to interfere with nature, and the trend to globalization as desired by the few greedy powerful that want to have it all is a clear indication of this.  Schools have followed this trend. They started out as facilities of learning in families and communities. They became international centers of indoctrination.  Politics also have followed this trend. They started out as communities and ended up as empires. Businesses started out as family run enterprises and ended up as global corporations.  Left to themselves, they will all get too big and fall into smaller pieces.  Thanks to the technologies available at the present, this cycle of growth and separation can be allowed to follow without the normal destructive processes that would be otherwise necessary to allow the "too big to fail" to fail.

For schools and education, this is the internet. For empires, this is the democratic process of voting instead of wars.  For the banks, this is the bitcoin protocol.

It high time for people, especially educated ones and those claiming to be "free thinkers" to embrace these possibilities.  But unfortunately too many are already brainwashed.  

There is hope. The simple solution to this ever growing trend of the few rich to actually get it all is not to play along. Once people actually find that "local small" is more desirable to "global big", then the first step is made. Then you can vote with your wallet and support local schools and businesses over the global ones. This is possible because the driving force of these greedy few rich that want it all is money.

If this seems too simplistic, it is because most "thinkers" are brainwashed to believe in "the bigger the better" way of thinking. Most "thinkers" also are brainwashed to believe that "if it is too simple, then it has not been fully thought out and needs more expertise to make it work at all".  Unfortunately with the mass media, most of us have been brainwashed not to think at all and to be complacent with entertainment and drugs.  

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: Positive ideas education

We are all called to do what we are called to do, Andrew. As far as showing respect to "earn" it, in your first scenario, everyone would need to be showing it all the time. Now you have switched it up with a new formula: show it to earn it.  If this worked at all, there would be no hate crimes, no hate crime law necessary and no racism, homophobia, agism, or any other kind of discrimination.  But the world is full of fear and discrimination and it is aimed against the innocent, so your formula doesn't work at all, either one of them.  And I am reminded that your fluid position makes it difficult to have an intelligent conversation with you, so excuse me if I opt out on this one now.

Don't get me wrong, a world of complete respect for everyone and no crime or war would be great.  I won't hold my breath, but I do wish the best for everyone. I get why Neil is all copped out, never had illusions otherwise. But I can find my place of peace and feel the love common in all humanity come nightfall. Luckily, at the end of a tough day, I can do that.  Non duality includes duality.  It hurts more and I guess if I am honest with myself, bothers me less over time, ever so slowly.  I wish it would hurry up and bother me much less today.  Ah well, nothing to do but carry on.

On Friday, August 29, 2014 3:12:22 PM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:
You have to show respect to earn it yourself. If you love your enemies, you will not have any. You have to be patient, good things take time to take root. Hope is a powerful thing. Do not give up too soon. Its better to be positive and optimistic, than to be negative and pessimistic. Perhaps you should change your line of work.
On Friday, August 29, 2014 6:56:53 PM UTC+2, Molly wrote:
I have to say that in my line of work, I have not seen much respect for other peoples views.  There is quite a bit of hate in the world.  I'm not judging it, just tired of dealing with it all week.  Glad for the holiday weekend.  Respect cannot be legislated, and not everyone is capable. If your model depends on it, I would find a different one.

On Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59:30 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:
Perhaps one needs to find the golden middle- not too small and not too big, but just right. What would the golden middle be for our world? How many languages, how many countries, how many religions. What is the ideal size of a family? The golden middle should be found not by scientists or religious leaders, but by the people themselves. As long as we do not have "too big to fail" mentalities, and as long as we respect people`s views, and their desire to be free, everything should gravitate automatically to the golden middle point. And if things get too big, let them fail and break up. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 4:07:15 PM UTC+2, Molly wrote:
I find the philosophy of focusing locally ethnocentric and short sited if that is the whole of it.  Working with local community for local needs is important, but so is a more global focus like world peace, climate change, space program, world hunger, disease irradiation...these things can't be resolved on the local level yet individuals can make a difference on them within their communities.  My local community does not manufacture cars, but there are certainly enough made in my state, so I need to expand my scope to get one.  I have a Land Rover for brutal Michigan winter driving, so there, I have supported Archy's community too.  

Folks are drawn to herd mentality for many reasons, usually an underdeveloped mind. There is no particular "they" doing the brainwashing but the cultural norm of the time, whether it be local, national or global culture.  Each of us is responsible for our own development, we choose to look away from ourselves and get stuck in a stage of development, or choose to face what stops us and get beyond it.  An ongoing process of introspection that many find too painful to pursue. Those who believe in conspiracies are themselves stifled by the belief that forces beyond their control limit them. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 5:48:36 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:

Nature clearly demonstrates cycles of growth and separation.  This trend is seen from cells to mountains and from families to empires.  Growth reaches a point where the size becomes too big to sustain itself and then falls apart, separating into smaller better manageable pieces.  Man tends to interfere with nature, and the trend to globalization as desired by the few greedy powerful that want to have it all is a clear indication of this.  Schools have followed this trend. They started out as facilities of learning in families and communities. They became international centers of indoctrination.  Politics also have followed this trend. They started out as communities and ended up as empires. Businesses started out as family run enterprises and ended up as global corporations.  Left to themselves, they will all get too big and fall into smaller pieces.  Thanks to the technologies available at the present, this cycle of growth and separation can be allowed to follow without the normal destructive processes that would be otherwise necessary to allow the "too big to fail" to fail.

For schools and education, this is the internet. For empires, this is the democratic process of voting instead of wars.  For the banks, this is the bitcoin protocol.

It high time for people, especially educated ones and those claiming to be "free thinkers" to embrace these possibilities.  But unfortunately too many are already brainwashed.  

There is hope. The simple solution to this ever growing trend of the few rich to actually get it all is not to play along. Once people actually find that "local small" is more desirable to "global big", then the first step is made. Then you can vote with your wallet and support local schools and businesses over the global ones. This is possible because the driving force of these greedy few rich that want it all is money.

If this seems too simplistic, it is because most "thinkers" are brainwashed to believe in "the bigger the better" way of thinking. Most "thinkers" also are brainwashed to believe that "if it is too simple, then it has not been fully thought out and needs more expertise to make it work at all".  Unfortunately with the mass media, most of us have been brainwashed not to think at all and to be complacent with entertainment and drugs.  

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: Positive ideas education

You have to show respect to earn it yourself. If you love your enemies, you will not have any. You have to be patient, good things take time to take root. Hope is a powerful thing. Do not give up too soon. Its better to be positive and optimistic, than to be negative and pessimistic. Perhaps you should change your line of work.
On Friday, August 29, 2014 6:56:53 PM UTC+2, Molly wrote:
I have to say that in my line of work, I have not seen much respect for other peoples views.  There is quite a bit of hate in the world.  I'm not judging it, just tired of dealing with it all week.  Glad for the holiday weekend.  Respect cannot be legislated, and not everyone is capable. If your model depends on it, I would find a different one.

On Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59:30 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:
Perhaps one needs to find the golden middle- not too small and not too big, but just right. What would the golden middle be for our world? How many languages, how many countries, how many religions. What is the ideal size of a family? The golden middle should be found not by scientists or religious leaders, but by the people themselves. As long as we do not have "too big to fail" mentalities, and as long as we respect people`s views, and their desire to be free, everything should gravitate automatically to the golden middle point. And if things get too big, let them fail and break up. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 4:07:15 PM UTC+2, Molly wrote:
I find the philosophy of focusing locally ethnocentric and short sited if that is the whole of it.  Working with local community for local needs is important, but so is a more global focus like world peace, climate change, space program, world hunger, disease irradiation...these things can't be resolved on the local level yet individuals can make a difference on them within their communities.  My local community does not manufacture cars, but there are certainly enough made in my state, so I need to expand my scope to get one.  I have a Land Rover for brutal Michigan winter driving, so there, I have supported Archy's community too.  

Folks are drawn to herd mentality for many reasons, usually an underdeveloped mind. There is no particular "they" doing the brainwashing but the cultural norm of the time, whether it be local, national or global culture.  Each of us is responsible for our own development, we choose to look away from ourselves and get stuck in a stage of development, or choose to face what stops us and get beyond it.  An ongoing process of introspection that many find too painful to pursue. Those who believe in conspiracies are themselves stifled by the belief that forces beyond their control limit them. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 5:48:36 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:

Nature clearly demonstrates cycles of growth and separation.  This trend is seen from cells to mountains and from families to empires.  Growth reaches a point where the size becomes too big to sustain itself and then falls apart, separating into smaller better manageable pieces.  Man tends to interfere with nature, and the trend to globalization as desired by the few greedy powerful that want to have it all is a clear indication of this.  Schools have followed this trend. They started out as facilities of learning in families and communities. They became international centers of indoctrination.  Politics also have followed this trend. They started out as communities and ended up as empires. Businesses started out as family run enterprises and ended up as global corporations.  Left to themselves, they will all get too big and fall into smaller pieces.  Thanks to the technologies available at the present, this cycle of growth and separation can be allowed to follow without the normal destructive processes that would be otherwise necessary to allow the "too big to fail" to fail.

For schools and education, this is the internet. For empires, this is the democratic process of voting instead of wars.  For the banks, this is the bitcoin protocol.

It high time for people, especially educated ones and those claiming to be "free thinkers" to embrace these possibilities.  But unfortunately too many are already brainwashed.  

There is hope. The simple solution to this ever growing trend of the few rich to actually get it all is not to play along. Once people actually find that "local small" is more desirable to "global big", then the first step is made. Then you can vote with your wallet and support local schools and businesses over the global ones. This is possible because the driving force of these greedy few rich that want it all is money.

If this seems too simplistic, it is because most "thinkers" are brainwashed to believe in "the bigger the better" way of thinking. Most "thinkers" also are brainwashed to believe that "if it is too simple, then it has not been fully thought out and needs more expertise to make it work at all".  Unfortunately with the mass media, most of us have been brainwashed not to think at all and to be complacent with entertainment and drugs.  

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: Positive ideas education

I have to say that in my line of work, I have not seen much respect for other peoples views.  There is quite a bit of hate in the world.  I'm not judging it, just tired of dealing with it all week.  Glad for the holiday weekend.  Respect cannot be legislated, and not everyone is capable. If your model depends on it, I would find a different one.

On Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59:30 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:
Perhaps one needs to find the golden middle- not too small and not too big, but just right. What would the golden middle be for our world? How many languages, how many countries, how many religions. What is the ideal size of a family? The golden middle should be found not by scientists or religious leaders, but by the people themselves. As long as we do not have "too big to fail" mentalities, and as long as we respect people`s views, and their desire to be free, everything should gravitate automatically to the golden middle point. And if things get too big, let them fail and break up. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 4:07:15 PM UTC+2, Molly wrote:
I find the philosophy of focusing locally ethnocentric and short sited if that is the whole of it.  Working with local community for local needs is important, but so is a more global focus like world peace, climate change, space program, world hunger, disease irradiation...these things can't be resolved on the local level yet individuals can make a difference on them within their communities.  My local community does not manufacture cars, but there are certainly enough made in my state, so I need to expand my scope to get one.  I have a Land Rover for brutal Michigan winter driving, so there, I have supported Archy's community too.  

Folks are drawn to herd mentality for many reasons, usually an underdeveloped mind. There is no particular "they" doing the brainwashing but the cultural norm of the time, whether it be local, national or global culture.  Each of us is responsible for our own development, we choose to look away from ourselves and get stuck in a stage of development, or choose to face what stops us and get beyond it.  An ongoing process of introspection that many find too painful to pursue. Those who believe in conspiracies are themselves stifled by the belief that forces beyond their control limit them. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 5:48:36 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:

Nature clearly demonstrates cycles of growth and separation.  This trend is seen from cells to mountains and from families to empires.  Growth reaches a point where the size becomes too big to sustain itself and then falls apart, separating into smaller better manageable pieces.  Man tends to interfere with nature, and the trend to globalization as desired by the few greedy powerful that want to have it all is a clear indication of this.  Schools have followed this trend. They started out as facilities of learning in families and communities. They became international centers of indoctrination.  Politics also have followed this trend. They started out as communities and ended up as empires. Businesses started out as family run enterprises and ended up as global corporations.  Left to themselves, they will all get too big and fall into smaller pieces.  Thanks to the technologies available at the present, this cycle of growth and separation can be allowed to follow without the normal destructive processes that would be otherwise necessary to allow the "too big to fail" to fail.

For schools and education, this is the internet. For empires, this is the democratic process of voting instead of wars.  For the banks, this is the bitcoin protocol.

It high time for people, especially educated ones and those claiming to be "free thinkers" to embrace these possibilities.  But unfortunately too many are already brainwashed.  

There is hope. The simple solution to this ever growing trend of the few rich to actually get it all is not to play along. Once people actually find that "local small" is more desirable to "global big", then the first step is made. Then you can vote with your wallet and support local schools and businesses over the global ones. This is possible because the driving force of these greedy few rich that want it all is money.

If this seems too simplistic, it is because most "thinkers" are brainwashed to believe in "the bigger the better" way of thinking. Most "thinkers" also are brainwashed to believe that "if it is too simple, then it has not been fully thought out and needs more expertise to make it work at all".  Unfortunately with the mass media, most of us have been brainwashed not to think at all and to be complacent with entertainment and drugs.  

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Perhaps one needs to find the golden middle- not too small and not too big, but just right. What would the golden middle be for our world? How many languages, how many countries, how many religions. What is the ideal size of a family? The golden middle should be found not by scientists or religious leaders, but by the people themselves. As long as we do not have "too big to fail" mentalities, and as long as we respect people`s views, and their desire to be free, everything should gravitate automatically to the golden middle point. And if things get too big, let them fail and break up. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 4:07:15 PM UTC+2, Molly wrote:
I find the philosophy of focusing locally ethnocentric and short sited if that is the whole of it.  Working with local community for local needs is important, but so is a more global focus like world peace, climate change, space program, world hunger, disease irradiation...these things can't be resolved on the local level yet individuals can make a difference on them within their communities.  My local community does not manufacture cars, but there are certainly enough made in my state, so I need to expand my scope to get one.  I have a Land Rover for brutal Michigan winter driving, so there, I have supported Archy's community too.  

Folks are drawn to herd mentality for many reasons, usually an underdeveloped mind. There is no particular "they" doing the brainwashing but the cultural norm of the time, whether it be local, national or global culture.  Each of us is responsible for our own development, we choose to look away from ourselves and get stuck in a stage of development, or choose to face what stops us and get beyond it.  An ongoing process of introspection that many find too painful to pursue. Those who believe in conspiracies are themselves stifled by the belief that forces beyond their control limit them. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 5:48:36 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:

Nature clearly demonstrates cycles of growth and separation.  This trend is seen from cells to mountains and from families to empires.  Growth reaches a point where the size becomes too big to sustain itself and then falls apart, separating into smaller better manageable pieces.  Man tends to interfere with nature, and the trend to globalization as desired by the few greedy powerful that want to have it all is a clear indication of this.  Schools have followed this trend. They started out as facilities of learning in families and communities. They became international centers of indoctrination.  Politics also have followed this trend. They started out as communities and ended up as empires. Businesses started out as family run enterprises and ended up as global corporations.  Left to themselves, they will all get too big and fall into smaller pieces.  Thanks to the technologies available at the present, this cycle of growth and separation can be allowed to follow without the normal destructive processes that would be otherwise necessary to allow the "too big to fail" to fail.

For schools and education, this is the internet. For empires, this is the democratic process of voting instead of wars.  For the banks, this is the bitcoin protocol.

It high time for people, especially educated ones and those claiming to be "free thinkers" to embrace these possibilities.  But unfortunately too many are already brainwashed.  

There is hope. The simple solution to this ever growing trend of the few rich to actually get it all is not to play along. Once people actually find that "local small" is more desirable to "global big", then the first step is made. Then you can vote with your wallet and support local schools and businesses over the global ones. This is possible because the driving force of these greedy few rich that want it all is money.

If this seems too simplistic, it is because most "thinkers" are brainwashed to believe in "the bigger the better" way of thinking. Most "thinkers" also are brainwashed to believe that "if it is too simple, then it has not been fully thought out and needs more expertise to make it work at all".  Unfortunately with the mass media, most of us have been brainwashed not to think at all and to be complacent with entertainment and drugs.  

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: Positive ideas education

I agree with Molly, we live in a world culture. The herd mentality is a killer socially. It is very beneficial to tyrants as it is fairly easy to control. You rag on about bit coin and i have considered getting a bit coin miner. The programs are interesting as they are used to create bitcoins, they are not a forgery or counterfeit as that is how they are made, in a way a really cool con scam ,,  but a scam is still a scam. If you want bitcoins, why pay for them when you can make your own.
Sadly stealing is still stealing 

Allan
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I find the philosophy of focusing locally ethnocentric and short sited if that is the whole of it.  Working with local community for local needs is important, but so is a more global focus like world peace, climate change, space program, world hunger, disease irradiation...these things can't be resolved on the local level yet individuals can make a difference on them within their communities.  My local community does not manufacture cars, but there are certainly enough made in my state, so I need to expand my scope to get one.  I have a Land Rover for brutal Michigan winter driving, so there, I have supported Archy's community too.  

Folks are drawn to herd mentality for many reasons, usually an underdeveloped mind. There is no particular "they" doing the brainwashing but the cultural norm of the time, whether it be local, national or global culture.  Each of us is responsible for our own development, we choose to look away from ourselves and get stuck in a stage of development, or choose to face what stops us and get beyond it.  An ongoing process of introspection that many find too painful to pursue. Those who believe in conspiracies are themselves stifled by the belief that forces beyond their control limit them. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 5:48:36 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:

Nature clearly demonstrates cycles of growth and separation.  This trend is seen from cells to mountains and from families to empires.  Growth reaches a point where the size becomes too big to sustain itself and then falls apart, separating into smaller better manageable pieces.  Man tends to interfere with nature, and the trend to globalization as desired by the few greedy powerful that want to have it all is a clear indication of this.  Schools have followed this trend. They started out as facilities of learning in families and communities. They became international centers of indoctrination.  Politics also have followed this trend. They started out as communities and ended up as empires. Businesses started out as family run enterprises and ended up as global corporations.  Left to themselves, they will all get too big and fall into smaller pieces.  Thanks to the technologies available at the present, this cycle of growth and separation can be allowed to follow without the normal destructive processes that would be otherwise necessary to allow the "too big to fail" to fail.

For schools and education, this is the internet. For empires, this is the democratic process of voting instead of wars.  For the banks, this is the bitcoin protocol.

It high time for people, especially educated ones and those claiming to be "free thinkers" to embrace these possibilities.  But unfortunately too many are already brainwashed.  

There is hope. The simple solution to this ever growing trend of the few rich to actually get it all is not to play along. Once people actually find that "local small" is more desirable to "global big", then the first step is made. Then you can vote with your wallet and support local schools and businesses over the global ones. This is possible because the driving force of these greedy few rich that want it all is money.

If this seems too simplistic, it is because most "thinkers" are brainwashed to believe in "the bigger the better" way of thinking. Most "thinkers" also are brainwashed to believe that "if it is too simple, then it has not been fully thought out and needs more expertise to make it work at all".  Unfortunately with the mass media, most of us have been brainwashed not to think at all and to be complacent with entertainment and drugs.  

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: Positive ideas education

I find the philosophy of focusing locally ethnocentric and short sited if that is the whole of it.  Working with local community for local needs is important, but so is a more global focus like world peace, climate change, space program, world hunger, disease irradiation...these things can't be resolved on the local level yet individuals can make a difference on them within their communities.  My local community does not manufacture cars, but there are certainly enough made in my state, so I need to expand my scope to get one.  I have a Land Rover for brutal Michigan winter driving, so there, I have supported Archy's community too.  

Folks are drawn to herd mentality for many reasons, usually an underdeveloped mind. There is no particular "they" doing the brainwashing but the cultural norm of the time, whether it be local, national or global culture.  Each of us is responsible for our own development, we choose to look away from ourselves and get stuck in a stage of development, or choose to face what stops us and get beyond it.  An ongoing process of introspection that many find too painful to pursue. Those who believe in conspiracies are themselves stifled by the belief that forces beyond their control limit them. 

On Friday, August 29, 2014 5:48:36 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:

Nature clearly demonstrates cycles of growth and separation.  This trend is seen from cells to mountains and from families to empires.  Growth reaches a point where the size becomes too big to sustain itself and then falls apart, separating into smaller better manageable pieces.  Man tends to interfere with nature, and the trend to globalization as desired by the few greedy powerful that want to have it all is a clear indication of this.  Schools have followed this trend. They started out as facilities of learning in families and communities. They became international centers of indoctrination.  Politics also have followed this trend. They started out as communities and ended up as empires. Businesses started out as family run enterprises and ended up as global corporations.  Left to themselves, they will all get too big and fall into smaller pieces.  Thanks to the technologies available at the present, this cycle of growth and separation can be allowed to follow without the normal destructive processes that would be otherwise necessary to allow the "too big to fail" to fail.

For schools and education, this is the internet. For empires, this is the democratic process of voting instead of wars.  For the banks, this is the bitcoin protocol.

It high time for people, especially educated ones and those claiming to be "free thinkers" to embrace these possibilities.  But unfortunately too many are already brainwashed.  

There is hope. The simple solution to this ever growing trend of the few rich to actually get it all is not to play along. Once people actually find that "local small" is more desirable to "global big", then the first step is made. Then you can vote with your wallet and support local schools and businesses over the global ones. This is possible because the driving force of these greedy few rich that want it all is money.

If this seems too simplistic, it is because most "thinkers" are brainwashed to believe in "the bigger the better" way of thinking. Most "thinkers" also are brainwashed to believe that "if it is too simple, then it has not been fully thought out and needs more expertise to make it work at all".  Unfortunately with the mass media, most of us have been brainwashed not to think at all and to be complacent with entertainment and drugs.  

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Nature clearly demonstrates cycles of growth and separation.  This trend is seen from cells to mountains and from families to empires.  Growth reaches a point where the size becomes too big to sustain itself and then falls apart, separating into smaller better manageable pieces.  Man tends to interfere with nature, and the trend to globalization as desired by the few greedy powerful that want to have it all is a clear indication of this.  Schools have followed this trend. They started out as facilities of learning in families and communities. They became international centers of indoctrination.  Politics also have followed this trend. They started out as communities and ended up as empires. Businesses started out as family run enterprises and ended up as global corporations.  Left to themselves, they will all get too big and fall into smaller pieces.  Thanks to the technologies available at the present, this cycle of growth and separation can be allowed to follow without the normal destructive processes that would be otherwise necessary to allow the "too big to fail" to fail.

For schools and education, this is the internet. For empires, this is the democratic process of voting instead of wars.  For the banks, this is the bitcoin protocol.

It high time for people, especially educated ones and those claiming to be "free thinkers" to embrace these possibilities.  But unfortunately too many are already brainwashed.  

There is hope. The simple solution to this ever growing trend of the few rich to actually get it all is not to play along. Once people actually find that "local small" is more desirable to "global big", then the first step is made. Then you can vote with your wallet and support local schools and businesses over the global ones. This is possible because the driving force of these greedy few rich that want it all is money.

If this seems too simplistic, it is because most "thinkers" are brainwashed to believe in "the bigger the better" way of thinking. Most "thinkers" also are brainwashed to believe that "if it is too simple, then it has not been fully thought out and needs more expertise to make it work at all".  Unfortunately with the mass media, most of us have been brainwashed not to think at all and to be complacent with entertainment and drugs.  

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