Artists & Celebries & Entertainment: May 2014

Saturday, May 31, 2014

Re: Mind's Eye Re: conversion to blog?

I could not naked capitalism .. but I am using my phone. Word press has some requirements to view it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 31 May 2014 23:28
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: conversion to blog?

Well, I think the blog format with an original post, and then comments afterward, may allow the same conversation that happens here. The original post would allow pictures and videos, although the comments may need to display links. I'd be willing to give it a try if it would bring about more contributors. Naked Capitalism seems to have a pretty good system for weeding out the trolls and trouble makers. Of course, if we don't have consensus, I'm OK either way.

On Saturday, May 31, 2014 4:05:43 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

That's not a good deal as it does not give an ongoing conversation mode.
Most if us have facebook accounts. And private groups can be set up.

I am not opposed to paying either.. we can have a lot of control there.

-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 31 May 2014 20:29
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: conversion to blog?

You can do this for free on Wordpress.

On Friday, 30 May 2014 23:18:01 UTC+1, Molly wrote:
The software used by Naked Capitalism allow for people to be taken on and off moderation. Is it free?

On Friday, May 30, 2014 4:18:30 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
Thanks Molly. I'm not sure on the private nature. Usenet has lost a lot of connectivity - I think I actually feel more on our old groupiness than privacy.

On Friday, 30 May 2014 12:02:35 UTC+1, Molly wrote:
and I like Naked Capitalism's policies. Usable content!

On Friday, May 30, 2014 6:57:55 AM UTC-4, Molly wrote:
Well, a group blog effort would make this experience more dimensional. We could post videos and pictures, comment on each other's posts as conversations, and build the widgets together like the book shelves. I haven't seen it done but like it in concept. I don't know how it would keep the conversation private, if that is what you are going for. I for one am willing to try.

On Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:04:45 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
There are various places one can set up a website blog now without expert skills. Google seems to be leaving this format behind and I haven't really recovered from the new group format. I wonder if people would have a quick look at Naked Capitalism (not what I have in mind on content) as an example we might consider. Basically, it's just a few links, cute piccies, book plugs and the odd article (good one today from Lambert Strether on modern monetary theory) as some cross-posted stuff. We could migrate to somewhere like WIX and do something like this on our interests. We could keep a 'group' ethos. We might update once a week rather than daily. We'd need a wider set of mods. Anyone else interested?

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: conversion to blog?

Just g
Downloaded group message board for my phone it seems to have potential draw back is it requires android.. ;o (
But may be a solution and or a combo blog for promotions..
Can be membership only also wit admins..

-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, 01 Jun 2014 0:09
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: conversion to blog?

Welcome Jamis. You may be right. We are now a bit too hidden away in here for my liking though.

On Saturday, 31 May 2014 14:33:06 UTC+1, Jamis Sietch Tabr wrote:

Hello, I'm new to this group and I don't know if I could be of any real help as you've been a group for a long time without me. All I can say is that blogging will not let you rest on a weekly basis. I think that dates and the chronological entropy that ensues will oppress the group natural pace. I still fancy those days of the BBSes with message bases, download areas with textfiles series though I never participated in any ...

Re: Mind's Eye Re: conversion to blog?

Gee bbs talk about archaeology. 9600 baud mine was fast Bailey used to take care of it suppling the computer and phone lines. That was years ago..

But seems like when yahoo shut down their webpage service I looked into it again seems like it can be done within the internet's service using the internet instead of ohone lines.. was kind of fun
good idea. And welcome to the group.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jamis Sietch Tabr <metaafrica@rocketmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 31 May 2014 23:47
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: conversion to blog?

Hello, I'm new to this group and I don't know if I could be of any real help as you've been a group for a long time without me. All I can say is that blogging will not let you rest on a weekly basis. I think that dates and the chronological entropy that ensues will oppress the group natural pace. I still fancy those days of the BBSes with message bases, download areas with textfiles series though I never participated in any ...

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Mind's Eye Re: conversion to blog?

Welcome Jamis. You may be right. We are now a bit too hidden away in here for my liking though.

On Saturday, 31 May 2014 14:33:06 UTC+1, Jamis Sietch Tabr wrote:

Hello, I'm new to this group and I don't know if I could be of any real help as you've been a group for a long time without me. All I can say is that blogging will not let you rest on a weekly basis. I think that dates and the chronological entropy that ensues will oppress the group natural pace. I still fancy those days of the BBSes with message bases, download areas with textfiles series though I never participated in any ...

Re: Mind's Eye Re: Insanity

Thanks and kudos to you - respect!

Am 31.05.2014 07:56 schrieb "andrew vecsey" <andrewvecsey@gmail.com>:

Hi Gabs, No I am not afraid of dogs. My partner and I have 3 dogs and 2 cats, and we all live together in harmony most the time. Why do you ask??? I do not feel insulted by Allan. He is how he is. I am in this group to bounce my ideas around. I expect the so called thinking people in this group to try to find faults with my ideas and to point them out to me. The best way to test an idea is to have it knocked down. Just to say that my ideas are faulty does not knock them down. I want to know where they are wrong so that I can make my case stronger. Hearing that my ideas are not original tells me something about the person who says that. I am in this group to share my ideas and to build on the ideas of others.

The loudest voices are often the weakest, and I have learned to ignore them. They are for me like the yells (or barks) of bullies who just want to get attention. Arrogance, ignorance and hypocrisy are very easy to spot. Like you point out, changing the topic or derailing (or loud barking) is one clear sign. Censorship is another. I have absolutely no problems with anyone else in this group. Yes, there is a lot of mud in this group, but like Allan says, diamonds are found in deep mud.

On Saturday, May 31, 2014 12:18:42 AM UTC+2, Gabby wrote:
Insulting you, as usual. Tz, derailing is for beginners.
May I ask if you are afraid of dogs, Andrew? Maybe Allan can sense that, and then you are to blame again, and Allan and the Mod Gods have it all right as usual. And? How sane do you find my theory?

2014-05-29 20:40 GMT+02:00 andrew vecsey <andrew...@gmail.com>:

Very typical response from you Allen.

On Thursday, May 29, 2014 5:33:27 PM UTC+2, Allan Heretic wrote:

Andrews time are interesting, highly inaccurate scale wise, nothing to say about imitating the work of others.
Then complains we are not giving him diamonds. You have to dig through a lot of mud to find a diamond. Not just expect to recieve the diamonds others have to dig out.

-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwt...@gmail.com>
To: mind...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 29 May 2014 4:39 PM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Insanity

On insanity, I'm struck by the difference between what we might find walking about and the fungible numbers of our banking and government kleptocracies, with prostitution, drugs and gambling included in GDP. Andrew has made something of this point with his 'time walks' in the past. Are our economic and political systems esoteric or some kind of mad hoax? If we used the same GDP calculation we had 20 years ago, GDP to government debt ratios would be over 100% everywhere. I think the truth is we are being hoaxed and they want us to feel insane as we walk around in our destroyed cities and towns.

On Thursday, 29 May 2014 10:32:42 UTC+1, archytas wrote:
What ME lacks is enough people who will have a go with ideas. This is true across most blogs. What you want are commentators better than the original post used to kick something off. As for staying on topic, you manage to come up with a title here that has little to do with what you post. Who cares if some sort of non-naff exchange takes place?

On Thursday, 29 May 2014 10:09:37 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
There are always some flashes within insanity that defy its own definition.
I think I am going insane. I keep checking this group for some flashes of thought motivation, but those flashes seem to be very rare.
What I do find is a pile of bickering and self gratification.
We are on the internet throwing ideas around, and if our ideas are "copied", then we should be happy.
Perhaps I am hooked on this very small group of so called thinkers who every once in a while throw around ideas that make me think and learn.
It is like finding a diamond. When you find one, you want to return to find some more.
Maybe a part of the problem is that we all get off the track of the discussion too easily.
Perhaps the main role of a moderator is not to sensor what is regarded as "spam", but rather to keep people from derailing a discussion.

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: conversion to blog?

That's not a good deal as it does not give an ongoing conversation mode.
Most if us have facebook accounts. And private groups can be set up.

I am not opposed to paying either.. we can have a lot of control there.

-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 31 May 2014 20:29
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: conversion to blog?

You can do this for free on Wordpress.

On Friday, 30 May 2014 23:18:01 UTC+1, Molly wrote:
The software used by Naked Capitalism allow for people to be taken on and off moderation. Is it free?

On Friday, May 30, 2014 4:18:30 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
Thanks Molly. I'm not sure on the private nature. Usenet has lost a lot of connectivity - I think I actually feel more on our old groupiness than privacy.

On Friday, 30 May 2014 12:02:35 UTC+1, Molly wrote:
and I like Naked Capitalism's policies. Usable content!

On Friday, May 30, 2014 6:57:55 AM UTC-4, Molly wrote:
Well, a group blog effort would make this experience more dimensional. We could post videos and pictures, comment on each other's posts as conversations, and build the widgets together like the book shelves. I haven't seen it done but like it in concept. I don't know how it would keep the conversation private, if that is what you are going for. I for one am willing to try.

On Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:04:45 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
There are various places one can set up a website blog now without expert skills. Google seems to be leaving this format behind and I haven't really recovered from the new group format. I wonder if people would have a quick look at Naked Capitalism (not what I have in mind on content) as an example we might consider. Basically, it's just a few links, cute piccies, book plugs and the odd article (good one today from Lambert Strether on modern monetary theory) as some cross-posted stuff. We could migrate to somewhere like WIX and do something like this on our interests. We could keep a 'group' ethos. We might update once a week rather than daily. We'd need a wider set of mods. Anyone else interested?

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: conversion to blog?

That's not a good deal as it does not give an ongoing conversation mode.
Most if us have facebook accounts. And private groups can be set up.

I am not opposed to paying either.. we can have a lot of control there.

-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 31 May 2014 20:29
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: conversion to blog?

You can do this for free on Wordpress.

On Friday, 30 May 2014 23:18:01 UTC+1, Molly wrote:

The software used by Naked Capitalism allow for people to be taken on and off moderation. Is it free?

On Friday, May 30, 2014 4:18:30 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
Thanks Molly. I'm not sure on the private nature. Usenet has lost a lot of connectivity - I think I actually feel more on our old groupiness than privacy.

On Friday, 30 May 2014 12:02:35 UTC+1, Molly wrote:
and I like Naked Capitalism's policies. Usable content!

On Friday, May 30, 2014 6:57:55 AM UTC-4, Molly wrote:
Well, a group blog effort would make this experience more dimensional. We could post videos and pictures, comment on each other's posts as conversations, and build the widgets together like the book shelves. I haven't seen it done but like it in concept. I don't know how it would keep the conversation private, if that is what you are going for. I for one am willing to try.

On Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:04:45 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
There are various places one can set up a website blog now without expert skills. Google seems to be leaving this format behind and I haven't really recovered from the new group format. I wonder if people would have a quick look at Naked Capitalism (not what I have in mind on content) as an example we might consider. Basically, it's just a few links, cute piccies, book plugs and the odd article (good one today from Lambert Strether on modern monetary theory) as some cross-posted stuff. We could migrate to somewhere like WIX and do something like this on our interests. We could keep a 'group' ethos. We might update once a week rather than daily. We'd need a wider set of mods. Anyone else interested?

Mind's Eye Re: conversion to blog?

You can do this for free on Wordpress.

On Friday, 30 May 2014 23:18:01 UTC+1, Molly wrote:

The software used by Naked Capitalism allow for people to be taken on and off moderation. Is it free?

On Friday, May 30, 2014 4:18:30 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
Thanks Molly. I'm not sure on the private nature. Usenet has lost a lot of connectivity - I think I actually feel more on our old groupiness than privacy.

On Friday, 30 May 2014 12:02:35 UTC+1, Molly wrote:
and I like Naked Capitalism's policies. Usable content!

On Friday, May 30, 2014 6:57:55 AM UTC-4, Molly wrote:
Well, a group blog effort would make this experience more dimensional. We could post videos and pictures, comment on each other's posts as conversations, and build the widgets together like the book shelves. I haven't seen it done but like it in concept. I don't know how it would keep the conversation private, if that is what you are going for. I for one am willing to try.

On Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:04:45 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
There are various places one can set up a website blog now without expert skills. Google seems to be leaving this format behind and I haven't really recovered from the new group format. I wonder if people would have a quick look at Naked Capitalism (not what I have in mind on content) as an example we might consider. Basically, it's just a few links, cute piccies, book plugs and the odd article (good one today from Lambert Strether on modern monetary theory) as some cross-posted stuff. We could migrate to somewhere like WIX and do something like this on our interests. We could keep a 'group' ethos. We might update once a week rather than daily. We'd need a wider set of mods. Anyone else interested?

Mind's Eye Re: conversion to blog?

Re: Mind's Eye Re: Insanity

I have not seen naked capitalism capitalism sight. I can write html 4 but I have not used it in years but still have the books. I am willing to contribute to a paid sight ... .... depends how much..

Time scale idea has been used by discovery channel for decades and in written format even longer.. discovery's time scale programs are highly accurate and highly researched.

I come up with originao ideas only to find out the idea is not very original. The ideas have been around and prasticed for centuries.

-----Original Message-----
From: andrew vecsey <andrewvecsey@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 31 May 2014 7:56
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Insanity

Hi Gabs, No I am not afraid of dogs. My partner and I have 3 dogs and 2 cats, and we all live together in harmony most the time. Why do you ask??? I do not feel insulted by Allan. He is how he is. I am in this group to bounce my ideas around. I expect the so called thinking people in this group to try to find faults with my ideas and to point them out to me. The best way to test an idea is to have it knocked down. Just to say that my ideas are faulty does not knock them down. I want to know where they are wrong so that I can make my case stronger. Hearing that my ideas are not original tells me something about the person who says that. I am in this group to share my ideas and to build on the ideas of others.

The loudest voices are often the weakest, and I have learned to ignore them. They are for me like the yells (or barks) of bullies who just want to get attention. Arrogance, ignorance and hypocrisy are very easy to spot. Like you point out, changing the topic or derailing (or loud barking) is one clear sign. Censorship is another. I have absolutely no problems with anyone else in this group. Yes, there is a lot of mud in this group, but like Allan says, diamonds are found in deep mud.

On Saturday, May 31, 2014 12:18:42 AM UTC+2, Gabby wrote:

Insulting you, as usual. Tz, derailing is for beginners.
May I ask if you are afraid of dogs, Andrew? Maybe Allan can sense that, and then you are to blame again, and Allan and the Mod Gods have it all right as usual. And? How sane do you find my theory?

2014-05-29 20:40 GMT+02:00 andrew vecsey <andrew...@gmail.com>:

Very typical response from you Allen.

On Thursday, May 29, 2014 5:33:27 PM UTC+2, Allan Heretic wrote:

Andrews time are interesting, highly inaccurate scale wise, nothing to say about imitating the work of others.
Then complains we are not giving him diamonds. You have to dig through a lot of mud to find a diamond. Not just expect to recieve the diamonds others have to dig out.

-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwt...@gmail.com>
To: mind...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 29 May 2014 4:39 PM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Insanity

On insanity, I'm struck by the difference between what we might find walking about and the fungible numbers of our banking and government kleptocracies, with prostitution, drugs and gambling included in GDP. Andrew has made something of this point with his 'time walks' in the past. Are our economic and political systems esoteric or some kind of mad hoax? If we used the same GDP calculation we had 20 years ago, GDP to government debt ratios would be over 100% everywhere. I think the truth is we are being hoaxed and they want us to feel insane as we walk around in our destroyed cities and towns.

On Thursday, 29 May 2014 10:32:42 UTC+1, archytas wrote:
What ME lacks is enough people who will have a go with ideas. This is true across most blogs. What you want are commentators better than the original post used to kick something off. As for staying on topic, you manage to come up with a title here that has little to do with what you post. Who cares if some sort of non-naff exchange takes place?

On Thursday, 29 May 2014 10:09:37 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
There are always some flashes within insanity that defy its own definition.
I think I am going insane. I keep checking this group for some flashes of thought motivation, but those flashes seem to be very rare.
What I do find is a pile of bickering and self gratification.
We are on the internet throwing ideas around, and if our ideas are "copied", then we should be happy.
Perhaps I am hooked on this very small group of so called thinkers who every once in a while throw around ideas that make me think and learn.
It is like finding a diamond. When you find one, you want to return to find some more.
Maybe a part of the problem is that we all get off the track of the discussion too easily.
Perhaps the main role of a moderator is not to sensor what is regarded as "spam", but rather to keep people from derailing a discussion.

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Friday, May 30, 2014

Re: Mind's Eye Re: Insanity

Insulting you, as usual. Tz, derailing is for beginners.
May I ask if you are afraid of dogs, Andrew? Maybe Allan can sense that, and then you are to blame again, and Allan and the Mod Gods have it all right as usual. And? How sane do you find my theory?

2014-05-29 20:40 GMT+02:00 andrew vecsey <andrew...@gmail.com>:

Very typical response from you Allen.

On Thursday, May 29, 2014 5:33:27 PM UTC+2, Allan Heretic wrote:

Andrews time are interesting, highly inaccurate scale wise, nothing to say about imitating the work of others.
Then complains we are not giving him diamonds. You have to dig through a lot of mud to find a diamond. Not just expect to recieve the diamonds others have to dig out.

-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwt...@gmail.com>
To: mind...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 29 May 2014 4:39 PM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Insanity

On insanity, I'm struck by the difference between what we might find walking about and the fungible numbers of our banking and government kleptocracies, with prostitution, drugs and gambling included in GDP. Andrew has made something of this point with his 'time walks' in the past. Are our economic and political systems esoteric or some kind of mad hoax? If we used the same GDP calculation we had 20 years ago, GDP to government debt ratios would be over 100% everywhere. I think the truth is we are being hoaxed and they want us to feel insane as we walk around in our destroyed cities and towns.

On Thursday, 29 May 2014 10:32:42 UTC+1, archytas wrote:
What ME lacks is enough people who will have a go with ideas. This is true across most blogs. What you want are commentators better than the original post used to kick something off. As for staying on topic, you manage to come up with a title here that has little to do with what you post. Who cares if some sort of non-naff exchange takes place?

On Thursday, 29 May 2014 10:09:37 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
There are always some flashes within insanity that defy its own definition.
I think I am going insane. I keep checking this group for some flashes of thought motivation, but those flashes seem to be very rare.
What I do find is a pile of bickering and self gratification.
We are on the internet throwing ideas around, and if our ideas are "copied", then we should be happy.
Perhaps I am hooked on this very small group of so called thinkers who every once in a while throw around ideas that make me think and learn.
It is like finding a diamond. When you find one, you want to return to find some more.
Maybe a part of the problem is that we all get off the track of the discussion too easily.
Perhaps the main role of a moderator is not to sensor what is regarded as "spam", but rather to keep people from derailing a discussion.

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: Insanity

Insulting you, as usual. Tz, derailing is for beginners.

May I ask if you are afraid of dogs, Andrew? Maybe Allan can sense that, and then you are to blame again, and Allan and the Mod Gods have it all right as usual. And? How sane do you find my theory?

2014-05-29 20:40 GMT+02:00 andrew vecsey <andrewvecsey@gmail.com>:

Very typical response from you Allen.

On Thursday, May 29, 2014 5:33:27 PM UTC+2, Allan Heretic wrote:

Andrews time are interesting, highly inaccurate scale wise, nothing to say about imitating the work of others.
Then complains we are not giving him diamonds. You have to dig through a lot of mud to find a diamond. Not just expect to recieve the diamonds others have to dig out.

-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwt...@gmail.com>
To: mind...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 29 May 2014 4:39 PM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Insanity

On insanity, I'm struck by the difference between what we might find walking about and the fungible numbers of our banking and government kleptocracies, with prostitution, drugs and gambling included in GDP. Andrew has made something of this point with his 'time walks' in the past. Are our economic and political systems esoteric or some kind of mad hoax? If we used the same GDP calculation we had 20 years ago, GDP to government debt ratios would be over 100% everywhere. I think the truth is we are being hoaxed and they want us to feel insane as we walk around in our destroyed cities and towns.

On Thursday, 29 May 2014 10:32:42 UTC+1, archytas wrote:
What ME lacks is enough people who will have a go with ideas. This is true across most blogs. What you want are commentators better than the original post used to kick something off. As for staying on topic, you manage to come up with a title here that has little to do with what you post. Who cares if some sort of non-naff exchange takes place?

On Thursday, 29 May 2014 10:09:37 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
There are always some flashes within insanity that defy its own definition.
I think I am going insane. I keep checking this group for some flashes of thought motivation, but those flashes seem to be very rare.
What I do find is a pile of bickering and self gratification.
We are on the internet throwing ideas around, and if our ideas are "copied", then we should be happy.
Perhaps I am hooked on this very small group of so called thinkers who every once in a while throw around ideas that make me think and learn.
It is like finding a diamond. When you find one, you want to return to find some more.
Maybe a part of the problem is that we all get off the track of the discussion too easily.
Perhaps the main role of a moderator is not to sensor what is regarded as "spam", but rather to keep people from derailing a discussion.

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Mind's Eye Re: conversion to blog?

The software used by Naked Capitalism allow for people to be taken on and off moderation. Is it free?

On Friday, May 30, 2014 4:18:30 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:

Thanks Molly. I'm not sure on the private nature. Usenet has lost a lot of connectivity - I think I actually feel more on our old groupiness than privacy.

On Friday, 30 May 2014 12:02:35 UTC+1, Molly wrote:
and I like Naked Capitalism's policies. Usable content!

On Friday, May 30, 2014 6:57:55 AM UTC-4, Molly wrote:
Well, a group blog effort would make this experience more dimensional. We could post videos and pictures, comment on each other's posts as conversations, and build the widgets together like the book shelves. I haven't seen it done but like it in concept. I don't know how it would keep the conversation private, if that is what you are going for. I for one am willing to try.

On Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:04:45 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
There are various places one can set up a website blog now without expert skills. Google seems to be leaving this format behind and I haven't really recovered from the new group format. I wonder if people would have a quick look at Naked Capitalism (not what I have in mind on content) as an example we might consider. Basically, it's just a few links, cute piccies, book plugs and the odd article (good one today from Lambert Strether on modern monetary theory) as some cross-posted stuff. We could migrate to somewhere like WIX and do something like this on our interests. We could keep a 'group' ethos. We might update once a week rather than daily. We'd need a wider set of mods. Anyone else interested?

Mind's Eye Re: conversion to blog?

Thanks Molly. I'm not sure on the private nature. Usenet has lost a lot of connectivity - I think I actually feel more on our old groupiness than privacy.

On Friday, 30 May 2014 12:02:35 UTC+1, Molly wrote:

and I like Naked Capitalism's policies. Usable content!

On Friday, May 30, 2014 6:57:55 AM UTC-4, Molly wrote:
Well, a group blog effort would make this experience more dimensional. We could post videos and pictures, comment on each other's posts as conversations, and build the widgets together like the book shelves. I haven't seen it done but like it in concept. I don't know how it would keep the conversation private, if that is what you are going for. I for one am willing to try.

On Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:04:45 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
There are various places one can set up a website blog now without expert skills. Google seems to be leaving this format behind and I haven't really recovered from the new group format. I wonder if people would have a quick look at Naked Capitalism (not what I have in mind on content) as an example we might consider. Basically, it's just a few links, cute piccies, book plugs and the odd article (good one today from Lambert Strether on modern monetary theory) as some cross-posted stuff. We could migrate to somewhere like WIX and do something like this on our interests. We could keep a 'group' ethos. We might update once a week rather than daily. We'd need a wider set of mods. Anyone else interested?

Mind's Eye Re: conversion to blog?

There would be no need to migrate ME really Gabby. I would have thought 'something useful and worth trying for you' likely to get somewhere near my own thinking. If people here fancy a go, we go with that fancy. Expression rather than control and group rather than personal on what control of content/anti-spam we need.

On Thursday, 29 May 2014 19:17:57 UTC+1, Gabby wrote:

May I ask what kind of fancy format you expect Google to provide you with to help you recover from whatever the new group format did to you? And could you please specify your interests that you say are ours? And how exclusive would you like our group to be? Which tool do you want to use to control our postings coming in at the time it suits you best? Thank you in advance for your clarification.

Am Donnerstag, 29. Mai 2014 17:04:45 UTC+2 schrieb archytas:
There are various places one can set up a website blog now without expert skills. Google seems to be leaving this format behind and I haven't really recovered from the new group format. I wonder if people would have a quick look at Naked Capitalism (not what I have in mind on content) as an example we might consider. Basically, it's just a few links, cute piccies, book plugs and the odd article (good one today from Lambert Strether on modern monetary theory) as some cross-posted stuff. We could migrate to somewhere like WIX and do something like this on our interests. We could keep a 'group' ethos. We might update once a week rather than daily. We'd need a wider set of mods. Anyone else interested?

Re: Mind's Eye Re: 100 years of learning nothing as a society?

The video is hilarious, Neil. I hadn't noticed, but the wisteria that winds all through our tree might mask or compliment in such a way that my Victorian senses (not sure I ever developed them) may have gone missing. I will never think of that tree in the same way again.

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 7:58:01 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:

There is a rumour that linden trees smell like 'semen in the spring'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4p0uw42cdo

I am hoping to do my bit in an environmental project over the next couple of years - in an attempt to 're-orchard' England. Current talk on positive money - http://www.positivemoney.org/ - is to the effect we could take democratic control of the stuff.

On Sunday, 25 May 2014 13:22:43 UTC+1, Gabby wrote:
Oh, you call it linden tree, like we do here! I can't smell them yet, but I'll keep you informed.

I would rather sum up what you describe: grassroots movement needs sunshine as well.

Am Sonntag, 25. Mai 2014 schrieb Molly :

Living without debt has certainly become a relief for me, but here in the US, the notion of credit is rammed down our throats at an early age. College kids are send credit cards without applying, and add that to easy student loans, we have kids coming out of university with six digit debt, having gotten the message from many sources that it is all quite normal. Add to that a hefty mortgage when it comes time to settle down and a couple of car loans and you have debt slaves for life, the American dream. I am not sure many think clearly enough about money to see it as a useful tool that can gain efficiency with proper use. People hardly even touch money anymore, banking on line with software that crunches the data for you in ways that never shows you how to apply interest over the long term and the real bwankers share.

The system may be beatable to certain degrees, and with small groups willing to go through the exercise, but will an entire country or global region ever really change it? Once folks were convinced to invest in stock and bond markets that issue combination bundles where junk can be dumped at the investors expense, keeping personal gains flat over time, pensions and retirement savings were laid at the feet of the king once again. Super rich find their way around with hidden assets and banks that don't report, and event that takes effort as movement is necessary when those systems collapse. Once you are in league with the money changers, it is a race to stay ahead of the game.

I would much rather sit in my back yard and watch my Linden tree.

On Saturday, May 24, 2014 3:25:34 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

You can complain all you want about the banking system you want. Just did some quick rough calculations.

The system is very beatable. If you really want to and could be easily done within the present banking system. Even more so within the US. It would require 50 family units each unit would be responsible for its share of the debt.
In a quick glance and an extremely rough calculation. I saw a 80 unit apartment complex for sale for $2,500,000. Each family unit would rent 1 unit to live and pay $600 per month 300 twice a month if you want to pay it off quicker. (has to do with how interest is calculated and payment on the principal) that amount would pay off the loan in ten years, + you would have 20 + units bring in an additional $12,000 per month extra to take care of maintenance, taxes, the left over used to reduce the principal of the loan.

Create it under a religious ogr. (Political tax benifits) crazy as it sounds it is very possible. In 10 years of doing nothing more than paying your "RENT" you reach as a community financial indepence where the money you earn remains in your pocket.
In other words the political system is very usable it is a matter of perspective and orginization.

( Quantum Spirituality
) soul governs body
[_D do no harm

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: 100 years of learning nothing as a society?

100+ to all that Molly. Money was already considered a convention by Aristotle and at least 100 years ago there was a lot of debate on letting banks issue most of it as credit (97% now). Most people still find this rather a shock, believing governments mint-print the stuff. I'm struck that the Greeks had virtue ethics and di nothing about slavery. That we have long known money is manipulated (BoE Governor in the 20s describing it as pretty evil in rather religious terms in 1922) by interest groups, and let this get worse as pretty much the same sabre-rattling that now comes via 'positive money' and 'modern monetary theory'. This and a lot more convinces me real change is about something more spiritual and to think economics-politics not just ridiculous but a false form of religious control fraud. I can see collective answers to the current plight, though the organisational effort is massive.

On Friday, 23 May 2014 23:26:09 UTC+1, Molly wrote:
I find most of economics and politics ridiculous. I do know some economists, politicians, historians etc., and feel genuine love for them as people, having found a way to work within the system to carve lives for themselves based on integrity, even though their chosen fields may not have it primarily. To me, money is mostly an abstraction, although I have taken most of my savings out of the market and big banks. I need to work, not to get through today or tomorrow, but a whole bunch of tomorrows would need financing depending on how long I end up living. If I knew the end to be soon, I would start the party now!

On Friday, May 23, 2014 11:17:12 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
Chaucer somehow never quite translates. (Dr) Shipman became our worst serial killer, almost seems one. I was reading a Hitler biography last week and a I share some of his characteristics of the presentation of him as a shirker and outsider. The Nazis put forward policies most of us would agree, stripped of the vile and war-lust. Brill recall getting right to my mood Gabby. UKIP campaigned on no policies at all and have taken 17% of our town hall vote. One expects they will take the EU vote at more than double this when we are allowed to see the results on Monday. One wonders if me, you and Allan could have gone round quoting Chaucer as the 'Utterly None of the Above Party'. There are some rather nice restaurants in Brussels. Maxwell is much cuter than Adolf's mutt and we could leave PR and policy to him. Countering Farrage's direct appeal in pulling pints of real ale in celebration would be tough, but at least speaking Chaucer would convince the public we had actually drunk plenty of the stuff from his policy barrel.

I have long fancied ridicule as an approach to economics and politics - all our satirical shows do this. The issue seems to be, 'fine

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Mind's Eye Re: conversion to blog?

and I like Naked Capitalism's policies. Usable content!

On Friday, May 30, 2014 6:57:55 AM UTC-4, Molly wrote:

Well, a group blog effort would make this experience more dimensional. We could post videos and pictures, comment on each other's posts as conversations, and build the widgets together like the book shelves. I haven't seen it done but like it in concept. I don't know how it would keep the conversation private, if that is what you are going for. I for one am willing to try.

On Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:04:45 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
There are various places one can set up a website blog now without expert skills. Google seems to be leaving this format behind and I haven't really recovered from the new group format. I wonder if people would have a quick look at Naked Capitalism (not what I have in mind on content) as an example we might consider. Basically, it's just a few links, cute piccies, book plugs and the odd article (good one today from Lambert Strether on modern monetary theory) as some cross-posted stuff. We could migrate to somewhere like WIX and do something like this on our interests. We could keep a 'group' ethos. We might update once a week rather than daily. We'd need a wider set of mods. Anyone else interested?

Mind's Eye Re: conversion to blog?

Well, a group blog effort would make this experience more dimensional. We could post videos and pictures, comment on each other's posts as conversations, and build the widgets together like the book shelves. I haven't seen it done but like it in concept. I don't know how it would keep the conversation private, if that is what you are going for. I for one am willing to try.

On Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:04:45 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:

There are various places one can set up a website blog now without expert skills. Google seems to be leaving this format behind and I haven't really recovered from the new group format. I wonder if people would have a quick look at Naked Capitalism (not what I have in mind on content) as an example we might consider. Basically, it's just a few links, cute piccies, book plugs and the odd article (good one today from Lambert Strether on modern monetary theory) as some cross-posted stuff. We could migrate to somewhere like WIX and do something like this on our interests. We could keep a 'group' ethos. We might update once a week rather than daily. We'd need a wider set of mods. Anyone else interested?

Thursday, May 29, 2014

Re: Mind's Eye Re: Insanity

Very typical response from you Allen.

On Thursday, May 29, 2014 5:33:27 PM UTC+2, Allan Heretic wrote:

Andrews time are interesting, highly inaccurate scale wise, nothing to say about imitating the work of others.
Then complains we are not giving him diamonds. You have to dig through a lot of mud to find a diamond. Not just expect to recieve the diamonds others have to dig out.

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Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Insanity

On insanity, I'm struck by the difference between what we might find walking about and the fungible numbers of our banking and government kleptocracies, with prostitution, drugs and gambling included in GDP. Andrew has made something of this point with his 'time walks' in the past. Are our economic and political systems esoteric or some kind of mad hoax? If we used the same GDP calculation we had 20 years ago, GDP to government debt ratios would be over 100% everywhere. I think the truth is we are being hoaxed and they want us to feel insane as we walk around in our destroyed cities and towns.

On Thursday, 29 May 2014 10:32:42 UTC+1, archytas wrote:
What ME lacks is enough people who will have a go with ideas. This is true across most blogs. What you want are commentators better than the original post used to kick something off. As for staying on topic, you manage to come up with a title here that has little to do with what you post. Who cares if some sort of non-naff exchange takes place?

On Thursday, 29 May 2014 10:09:37 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
There are always some flashes within insanity that defy its own definition.
I think I am going insane. I keep checking this group for some flashes of thought motivation, but those flashes seem to be very rare.
What I do find is a pile of bickering and self gratification.
We are on the internet throwing ideas around, and if our ideas are "copied", then we should be happy.
Perhaps I am hooked on this very small group of so called thinkers who every once in a while throw around ideas that make me think and learn.
It is like finding a diamond. When you find one, you want to return to find some more.
Maybe a part of the problem is that we all get off the track of the discussion too easily.
Perhaps the main role of a moderator is not to sensor what is regarded as "spam", but rather to keep people from derailing a discussion.

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Mind's Eye Re: conversion to blog?

May I ask what kind of fancy format you expect Google to provide you with to help you recover from whatever the new group format did to you? And could you please specify your interests that you say are ours? And how exclusive would you like our group to be? Which tool do you want to use to control our postings coming in at the time it suits you best? Thank you in advance for your clarification.

Am Donnerstag, 29. Mai 2014 17:04:45 UTC+2 schrieb archytas:

There are various places one can set up a website blog now without expert skills. Google seems to be leaving this format behind and I haven't really recovered from the new group format. I wonder if people would have a quick look at Naked Capitalism (not what I have in mind on content) as an example we might consider. Basically, it's just a few links, cute piccies, book plugs and the odd article (good one today from Lambert Strether on modern monetary theory) as some cross-posted stuff. We could migrate to somewhere like WIX and do something like this on our interests. We could keep a 'group' ethos. We might update once a week rather than daily. We'd need a wider set of mods. Anyone else interested?

Re: Mind's Eye Re: Blog

Oh, I'm perfectly happy with the legend of Saint Martin cutting his protective and prestigious cloak in two and sharing it with a beggar.

Am Donnerstag, 29. Mai 2014 16:15:54 UTC+2 schrieb archytas:

I would always place Sir Walter Raleigh's coat over a puddle to protect your feet Gabby. Maxwell would be far too sensible than to bark at you. I rely on his judgement a lot in world affairs,

On Thursday, 29 May 2014 11:26:36 UTC+1, Gabby wrote:
Whereas your protection instinct not only rarely but never fails you, Neil.
And no, I'm not here to have the world explained to me. I listen to how how it is explained to me. I hope that helps to clarify the objectives.

Am 29.05.2014 11:50 schrieb "archytas" <nwt...@gmail.com>:

I've just been around a few blogs to look at how argument works in them. I guess this falls foul of your criteria Gabbs. In one of them I was wondering to what extent some blogging is just part of some kind of money-go-round. This one posts a few links to newspapers, book-plugs, cross-posts and a small original content (Naked Capitalism). One or two of the commentators were really good, but one suspects the blog is phony. Privacy issues are always double-edged, and, of course, mirror sites were once very common. Usenet was always 'public'. Not sure where you're coming from, other than you rarely fail to tease Molly.

On Thursday, 29 May 2014 08:32:08 UTC+1, Gabby wrote:
Yeah, greed and jealousy can be strong motivators to want to change existing power relations and to gain that control one self.

No, this blog isue here reminds me of Molly having done a similar thing - with the permission of those, whose content she used though. I found it unacceptable and very American to not be able to see the role conflict with being a ME moderator and the responsibiliy for the group climate in which the content she used was created. I have gotten used to have an eye on why people select what to then construct a new truth and how that attracts those who have the desire to become one of the chosen few.

All throughout history people have learned to develop group specific codes to be able to communicate without being immediately understood by the ruling class. I am a German in an internet world ruled by Americans. It would be rediculous would I want to insist on my right for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informational_self-determination in this group here. I had to find another way to keep my fingers still and still say something.

Am Donnerstag, 29. Mai 2014 schrieb allan :
What amazes me is the apparent ease with which it was done. Looks like someone stole a government spy program.. figures

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Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Blog

Very odd taht anyone would have been bothered.

On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 18:12:33 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
I read a summary of the copyright law . We are the copyholders of our work.
We are sharing ideas among friends. The blogger does not have the right to publish our (my) work open to the general public.
I think the blogger needs to permanetly cease his activity. I can not speak for the community he does not have my permission to copy and publish my work.
I believe blogger is owned by Google and they are aiding and abeding in a criminal activity.

Allan.

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Re: Mind's Eye Re: Insanity

Andrews time are interesting, highly inaccurate scale wise, nothing to say about imitating the work of others.
Then complains we are not giving him diamonds. You have to dig through a lot of mud to find a diamond. Not just expect to recieve the diamonds others have to dig out.

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From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 29 May 2014 4:39 PM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Insanity

On insanity, I'm struck by the difference between what we might find walking about and the fungible numbers of our banking and government kleptocracies, with prostitution, drugs and gambling included in GDP. Andrew has made something of this point with his 'time walks' in the past. Are our economic and political systems esoteric or some kind of mad hoax? If we used the same GDP calculation we had 20 years ago, GDP to government debt ratios would be over 100% everywhere. I think the truth is we are being hoaxed and they want us to feel insane as we walk around in our destroyed cities and towns.

On Thursday, 29 May 2014 10:32:42 UTC+1, archytas wrote:

What ME lacks is enough people who will have a go with ideas. This is true across most blogs. What you want are commentators better than the original post used to kick something off. As for staying on topic, you manage to come up with a title here that has little to do with what you post. Who cares if some sort of non-naff exchange takes place?

On Thursday, 29 May 2014 10:09:37 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
There are always some flashes within insanity that defy its own definition.
I think I am going insane. I keep checking this group for some flashes of thought motivation, but those flashes seem to be very rare.
What I do find is a pile of bickering and self gratification.
We are on the internet throwing ideas around, and if our ideas are "copied", then we should be happy.
Perhaps I am hooked on this very small group of so called thinkers who every once in a while throw around ideas that make me think and learn.
It is like finding a diamond. When you find one, you want to return to find some more.
Maybe a part of the problem is that we all get off the track of the discussion too easily.
Perhaps the main role of a moderator is not to sensor what is regarded as "spam", but rather to keep people from derailing a discussion.

Mind's Eye conversion to blog?

There are various places one can set up a website blog now without expert skills. Google seems to be leaving this format behind and I haven't really recovered from the new group format. I wonder if people would have a quick look at Naked Capitalism (not what I have in mind on content) as an example we might consider. Basically, it's just a few links, cute piccies, book plugs and the odd article (good one today from Lambert Strether on modern monetary theory) as some cross-posted stuff. We could migrate to somewhere like WIX and do something like this on our interests. We could keep a 'group' ethos. We might update once a week rather than daily. We'd need a wider set of mods. Anyone else interested?

Mind's Eye Re: Insanity

What ME lacks is enough people who will have a go with ideas. This is true across most blogs. What you want are commentators better than the original post used to kick something off. As for staying on topic, you manage to come up with a title here that has little to do with what you post. Who cares if some sort of non-naff exchange takes place?

On Thursday, 29 May 2014 10:09:37 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
There are always some flashes within insanity that defy its own definition.
I think I am going insane. I keep checking this group for some flashes of thought motivation, but those flashes seem to be very rare.
What I do find is a pile of bickering and self gratification.
We are on the internet throwing ideas around, and if our ideas are "copied", then we should be happy.
Perhaps I am hooked on this very small group of so called thinkers who every once in a while throw around ideas that make me think and learn.
It is like finding a diamond. When you find one, you want to return to find some more.
Maybe a part of the problem is that we all get off the track of the discussion too easily.
Perhaps the main role of a moderator is not to sensor what is regarded as "spam", but rather to keep people from derailing a discussion.

Re: Mind's Eye Re: Blog

I would always place Sir Walter Raleigh's coat over a puddle to protect your feet Gabby. Maxwell would be far too sensible than to bark at you. I rely on his judgement a lot in world affairs,

On Thursday, 29 May 2014 11:26:36 UTC+1, Gabby wrote:

Whereas your protection instinct not only rarely but never fails you, Neil.
And no, I'm not here to have the world explained to me. I listen to how how it is explained to me. I hope that helps to clarify the objectives.

Am 29.05.2014 11:50 schrieb "archytas" <nwterry@gmail.com>:

I've just been around a few blogs to look at how argument works in them. I guess this falls foul of your criteria Gabbs. In one of them I was wondering to what extent some blogging is just part of some kind of money-go-round. This one posts a few links to newspapers, book-plugs, cross-posts and a small original content (Naked Capitalism). One or two of the commentators were really good, but one suspects the blog is phony. Privacy issues are always double-edged, and, of course, mirror sites were once very common. Usenet was always 'public'. Not sure where you're coming from, other than you rarely fail to tease Molly.

On Thursday, 29 May 2014 08:32:08 UTC+1, Gabby wrote:
Yeah, greed and jealousy can be strong motivators to want to change existing power relations and to gain that control one self.

No, this blog isue here reminds me of Molly having done a similar thing - with the permission of those, whose content she used though. I found it unacceptable and very American to not be able to see the role conflict with being a ME moderator and the responsibiliy for the group climate in which the content she used was created. I have gotten used to have an eye on why people select what to then construct a new truth and how that attracts those who have the desire to become one of the chosen few.

All throughout history people have learned to develop group specific codes to be able to communicate without being immediately understood by the ruling class. I am a German in an internet world ruled by Americans. It would be rediculous would I want to insist on my right for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informational_self-determination in this group here. I had to find another way to keep my fingers still and still say something.

Am Donnerstag, 29. Mai 2014 schrieb allan :
What amazes me is the apparent ease with which it was done. Looks like someone stole a government spy program.. figures

-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 29 May 2014 12:56 AM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Blog

Very odd taht anyone would have been bothered.

On Tuesday, 27 May 2014 18:12:33 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
I read a summary of the copyright law . We are the copyholders of our work.
We are sharing ideas among friends. The blogger does not have the right to publish our (my) work open to the general public.
I think the blogger needs to permanetly cease his activity. I can not speak for the community he does not have my permission to copy and publish my work.
I believe blogger is owned by Google and they are aiding and abeding in a criminal activity.

Allan.

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