Why me ? Why did this happen to me ? But why not! It had to happen to someone so why not me and not because of some weird law of karma. The tragedies of life do not come by choice but are thrust upon someone whether deservedly or not. --
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Tuesday, April 30, 2013
Re: Mind's Eye Re: deep thought
It might not even save "education"! I should have stressed the future
reliance on tablets and smart phones. Anyway, deja vu. They must have
said/tried the same with the printing press and recently with tv and
computers. What will happen to "point of view"? As it is, facts and
reality are edited/razored out of textbooks and media. It's also tied
to high tuition and the need to constantly entertain among several
other drags upon traditional methods. What do you see as common?
Education is considered a basic human right. What language? What
allowances given to various cultures and stage of industrial/
commercial development which has rarely considered the salvation of
the mortal soul...to become what?...immortal? What about plagiarism?
What about those who are already bored with social sites and feeling
like they are on an electronic leash and trackable every second?
Anyway, there is no guarantee that an individual can be self-motivated
to progress.
On Apr 29, 2:26 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Doing what? You/one/they/we/I cannot "do" universal education. We can/could
> identify commonness and all the where-/what-abouts - it won't save our
> mortal souls.
>
> Am Montag, 29. April 2013 schrieb rigs :
>
>
>
> > Answers are easy- it's the right question that alarms.
>
> > Do you know how they are trying to integrate computers with universal
> > education? Charlie Rose(bud) had a couple shows to prepare us- one
> > with schools that are doing it and another with Google-men. Lord
> > almighty...all will be attached to their mobile de(vices).
>
> > On Apr 28, 7:27 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > No idea mate. Deep Thought was the computer that couldn't answer the
> > > question and thus commissioned a bigger one to find the question.
>
> > > On 28 Apr, 21:51, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> > > > --
> > > > (
> > > > )
> > > > |_D Allan
>
> > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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reliance on tablets and smart phones. Anyway, deja vu. They must have
said/tried the same with the printing press and recently with tv and
computers. What will happen to "point of view"? As it is, facts and
reality are edited/razored out of textbooks and media. It's also tied
to high tuition and the need to constantly entertain among several
other drags upon traditional methods. What do you see as common?
Education is considered a basic human right. What language? What
allowances given to various cultures and stage of industrial/
commercial development which has rarely considered the salvation of
the mortal soul...to become what?...immortal? What about plagiarism?
What about those who are already bored with social sites and feeling
like they are on an electronic leash and trackable every second?
Anyway, there is no guarantee that an individual can be self-motivated
to progress.
On Apr 29, 2:26 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Doing what? You/one/they/we/I cannot "do" universal education. We can/could
> identify commonness and all the where-/what-abouts - it won't save our
> mortal souls.
>
> Am Montag, 29. April 2013 schrieb rigs :
>
>
>
> > Answers are easy- it's the right question that alarms.
>
> > Do you know how they are trying to integrate computers with universal
> > education? Charlie Rose(bud) had a couple shows to prepare us- one
> > with schools that are doing it and another with Google-men. Lord
> > almighty...all will be attached to their mobile de(vices).
>
> > On Apr 28, 7:27 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > No idea mate. Deep Thought was the computer that couldn't answer the
> > > question and thus commissioned a bigger one to find the question.
>
> > > On 28 Apr, 21:51, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> > > > --
> > > > (
> > > > )
> > > > |_D Allan
>
> > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > > Of course I talk to myself,
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Re: Mind's Eye Re: deep thought
Not enlarged but more active- with more storage chambers. :-)
On Apr 29, 2:11 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually you are right Rigsy scientists are proving the more you use any
> specific section of the brain the larger it becomes..
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 5:38 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Someone recently mentioned Socrates was alarmed with the popularity of
> > writing as he felt it would weaken the memory. I thought it lovely
> > that the ancient bards trained their minds like a house of many rooms
> > and storied them.
>
> > On Apr 28, 7:27 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > No idea mate. Deep Thought was the computer that couldn't answer the
> > > question and thus commissioned a bigger one to find the question.
>
> > > On 28 Apr, 21:51, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > --
> > > > (
> > > > )
> > > > |_D Allan
>
> > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > > Of course I talk to myself,
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On Apr 29, 2:11 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually you are right Rigsy scientists are proving the more you use any
> specific section of the brain the larger it becomes..
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 5:38 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Someone recently mentioned Socrates was alarmed with the popularity of
> > writing as he felt it would weaken the memory. I thought it lovely
> > that the ancient bards trained their minds like a house of many rooms
> > and storied them.
>
> > On Apr 28, 7:27 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > No idea mate. Deep Thought was the computer that couldn't answer the
> > > question and thus commissioned a bigger one to find the question.
>
> > > On 28 Apr, 21:51, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > --
> > > > (
> > > > )
> > > > |_D Allan
>
> > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > > Of course I talk to myself,
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Monday, April 29, 2013
Re: Mind's Eye Re: deep thought
This explains the size and the regular pains in my forehead .... hahaha. Sorry, Allan, bad joke. I am sure you don't think of yourself as a sexist and/or racist.
2013/4/29 Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com>
Actually you are right Rigsy scientists are proving the more you use any specific section of the brain the larger it becomes..--On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 5:38 AM, rigs <rigs117@gmail.com> wrote:Someone recently mentioned Socrates was alarmed with the popularity of
writing as he felt it would weaken the memory. I thought it lovely
that the ancient bards trained their minds like a house of many rooms
and storied them.
> No idea mate. Deep Thought was the computer that couldn't answer the
> question and thus commissioned a bigger one to find the question.
>
> On 28 Apr, 21:51, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > --
> > (
> > )
> > |_D Allan
>
> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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Re: Mind's Eye Re: deep thought
Doing what? You/one/they/we/I cannot "do" universal education. We can/could identify commonness and all the where-/what-abouts - it won't save our mortal souls.
Am Montag, 29. April 2013 schrieb rigs :
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Am Montag, 29. April 2013 schrieb rigs :
Answers are easy- it's the right question that alarms.--
Do you know how they are trying to integrate computers with universal
education? Charlie Rose(bud) had a couple shows to prepare us- one
with schools that are doing it and another with Google-men. Lord
almighty...all will be attached to their mobile de(vices).
On Apr 28, 7:27 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No idea mate. Deep Thought was the computer that couldn't answer the
> question and thus commissioned a bigger one to find the question.
>
> On 28 Apr, 21:51, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > --
> > (
> > )
> > |_D Allan
>
> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > Of course I talk to myself,
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Re: Mind's Eye Re: deep thought
Actually you are right Rigsy scientists are proving the more you use any specific section of the brain the larger it becomes..
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 5:38 AM, rigs <rigs117@gmail.com> wrote:
Someone recently mentioned Socrates was alarmed with the popularity of
writing as he felt it would weaken the memory. I thought it lovely
that the ancient bards trained their minds like a house of many rooms
and storied them.
> No idea mate. Deep Thought was the computer that couldn't answer the
> question and thus commissioned a bigger one to find the question.
>
> On 28 Apr, 21:51, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > --
> > (
> > )
> > |_D Allan
>
> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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Sunday, April 28, 2013
Re: Mind's Eye Re: deep thought
training or developing our mind is not that difficult or easy. mind is a very active and naughty sense .onlything we have to tame other senses,concentrate on the function of the mind through the "MIND EYE'" itself. and engage in trancedental meditation. this you have to start and continue until you see a bright light in your mind try and see pl I am abeyratne from Kandy Sri Lanka
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Someone recently mentioned Socrates was alarmed with the popularity of
writing as he felt it would weaken the memory. I thought it lovely
that the ancient bards trained their minds like a house of many rooms
and storied them.
On Apr 28, 7:27 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No idea mate. Deep Thought was the computer that couldn't answer the
> question and thus commissioned a bigger one to find the question.
>
> On 28 Apr, 21:51, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > --
> > (
> > )
> > |_D Allan
>
> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > Of course I talk to myself,
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Mind's Eye Re: deep thought
Someone recently mentioned Socrates was alarmed with the popularity of
writing as he felt it would weaken the memory. I thought it lovely
that the ancient bards trained their minds like a house of many rooms
and storied them.
On Apr 28, 7:27 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No idea mate. Deep Thought was the computer that couldn't answer the
> question and thus commissioned a bigger one to find the question.
>
> On 28 Apr, 21:51, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > --
> > (
> > )
> > |_D Allan
>
> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > Of course I talk to myself,
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writing as he felt it would weaken the memory. I thought it lovely
that the ancient bards trained their minds like a house of many rooms
and storied them.
On Apr 28, 7:27 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No idea mate. Deep Thought was the computer that couldn't answer the
> question and thus commissioned a bigger one to find the question.
>
> On 28 Apr, 21:51, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > --
> > (
> > )
> > |_D Allan
>
> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > Of course I talk to myself,
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Mind's Eye Re: deep thought
Answers are easy- it's the right question that alarms.
Do you know how they are trying to integrate computers with universal
education? Charlie Rose(bud) had a couple shows to prepare us- one
with schools that are doing it and another with Google-men. Lord
almighty...all will be attached to their mobile de(vices).
On Apr 28, 7:27 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No idea mate. Deep Thought was the computer that couldn't answer the
> question and thus commissioned a bigger one to find the question.
>
> On 28 Apr, 21:51, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > --
> > (
> > )
> > |_D Allan
>
> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> > Of course I talk to myself,
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Do you know how they are trying to integrate computers with universal
education? Charlie Rose(bud) had a couple shows to prepare us- one
with schools that are doing it and another with Google-men. Lord
almighty...all will be attached to their mobile de(vices).
On Apr 28, 7:27 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No idea mate. Deep Thought was the computer that couldn't answer the
> question and thus commissioned a bigger one to find the question.
>
> On 28 Apr, 21:51, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > --
> > (
> > )
> > |_D Allan
>
> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > Of course I talk to myself,
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Mind's Eye Re: deep thought
No idea mate. Deep Thought was the computer that couldn't answer the
question and thus commissioned a bigger one to find the question.
On 28 Apr, 21:51, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> Of course I talk to myself,
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question and thus commissioned a bigger one to find the question.
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>
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Saturday, April 27, 2013
Re: Mind's Eye Re: An Icon Dies
mosquitoes what are those?? they are an american plague think not may over here and the fish and frogs eat them before they become a problem.. I may be allergic to bee but we have an agreement I provide them with flowers and they leave me alone.. love the bumble bees yes they are a breed and butterflies and dragonflies native hedge hogs.. the list goes on birds galore can not figure out why anyone wants a grass garden,, they are so boring and you have to mow them week after week..... after week..
I only weed occasionally and my dogs running though it more or less keep the weed under control..
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:22 PM, rigs <rigs117@gmail.com> wrote:
True. You just have to mulch them, weed them, feed and water them,
deadhead them, cut back, etc. while fending off bees and mosquitos!
What a deal!
On Apr 26, 2:13 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> flower gardens are much better you do not have to mow them.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:38 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Winter is flickering out here, more slowly in the North. Strange
> > yellow object seen in sky etc. Cold and windy today walking Maxwell.
> > An old guy watching us said I'd finally invented the Labrador non-
> > retriever. I said I'd specially trained Max to leave his ball to
> > encourage me to walk further. Good to hear you are getting better
> > rigs. Better get your tooth fixed before Gabby flies over with her
> > dentists' drill and acupuncture anesthetics kit!! Though maybe not -
> > the Germans are repatriating their gold.
>
> > Thatcher is famed here in the UK for stopping our children's free
> > milk. Actually, she was responsible for much greater cruelty in
> > preventing milk-aid to Vietnam. Looking through lists of PMs and
> > Presidents I'm not sure I can say any of them did anything better than
> > stepping down. I think we might be better off with leadership by open
> > examination and lot. My experience with it was always to hope it was
> > occupied somewhere else and that when I actually needed decision
> > support it was on holiday after sending pre-denial messages buried
> > three levels down in my emails. I always found getting welders to
> > work in the rain so a few hundred shipyard workers standing idle could
> > get on with work that couldn't start before the welders finished a
> > fair test of leadership. It taught you to project manage better so it
> > never happened again!
>
> > Grass needs cutting. Max hasn't met the mower yet! I wonder what
> > crosses the Pond? Thatcher is pretty reviled here, but we're still a
> > soft touch on Obama.
>
> > On Apr 26, 3:15 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Not me- I don't romanticize it.
>
> > > I wonder how many feel some shame and responsibility for the sweat-
> > > shop-fire-traps of Bangladesh and other third world countries when
> > > they buy their bargains at Primark, Walmart, Target, and perhaps many
> > > private labels?
>
> > > It's also been said that Jenny Jerome's father was Jewish. Read a
> > > maybe two volume biography. Think I have mentioned her fatal tumble
> > > down a flight of stairs when her new heel broke and younger husbands,
> > > etc. Quite a dash-about, she was.
>
> > > Our soldiers are also committing suicide at an alaming rate.
>
> > > Your sports are sometimes like a dance- it depends. Dance and drama
> > > may have started with men who seem to go on ad nauseum- more so than
> > > women, who have other flaws and faults.
>
> > > Am recovering nicely after convincing my eye dr. how to medicate
> > > me. :-) Why should I take as many pills as a bruiser 6'+ weighing 200+
> > > when I am 5'3" and 120? Doesn't make sense. The snows have melted-
> > > warm this weekend. Hooray! Thanks again to all for your good wishes.
>
> > > On Apr 25, 4:21 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In short we are living in the past.
>
> > > > On 25 Apr, 18:19, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Churchill was half American - nuff said Don! I hoped Thatcher would
> > > > > be real change - but this dream is always rubbish - look at Obama.
> > > > > Oliver Stone did The Untold American History recently - it turned out
> > > > > not to be news to me, but we have forgotten how much sentiment there
> > > > > was towards the end of WW2 about job guarantee and a democratic world
> > > > > (Henry Wallace, generally unknown here, was the heart of it). The
> > > > > debate had been had here at the end of WW1 - E D Morel unseated
> > > > > Churchill in Dundee.
>
> > > > > I think democracy is dead. I suspect many of us worry about this
> > > > > across the old political spectrum. The left is haunted by Soviet
> > > > > Paradise and now the right faces much the same with the banksters and
> > > > > crony capitalism - the shadow politburo. Most of us want government
> > > > > off our backs and probably think it's better to be able to vote for
> > > > > what we want. But let's face it, Plato couldn't resolve the
> > > > > corruption problem in seven books and didn't notice slavery was
> > > > > wrong. I suspect Hayek and Popper would have disliked Thatcher -
> > they
> > > > > were anti-convictionist. I dislike the road to serfdom whether by
> > > > > Soviet or global wage arbitrage. I don't share rigs' views above now
> > > > > - but I did until a few years ago.
>
> > > > > On the young Gabby, there is no talking to teenagers (scientifically)
> > > > > and peer influence is at its greatest. Quite why humans specialise
> > in
> > > > > this extended period of painful childishness I don't know. I favour
> > > > > doing them as little damage as possible and don't think debt peonage
> > > > > by extending childhood to 21 is appropriate. I doubt people can stay
> > > > > honest in leadership or politics without transparency and a system in
> > > > > which they return to 'ordinary' status.
>
> > > > > So how do we do transparent in a dirty old world? In games of
> > > > > negotiation, undergraduate teams always chose the strategy that shits
> > > > > on the other group - presumably thinking the other group can't work
> > > > > out the simple rules. Accounting, just at the point when technology
> > > > > could make the process transparent, accounts in a manner of
> > > > > obfuscation We are all being told our countries should be
> > innovative,
> > > > > competitive, thrusting, vibrant (endless list) to be better than all
> > > > > others in "free trade". The spreadsheet could start instead with
> > > > > world-wide standards on wages and conditions. Rigs may rightly say
> > > > > scientists haven't fixed us but no doubt doesn't have dreams about
> > > > > moving as a four-dimensional space shifting in two dimensions of
> > > > > time. Is the experiment of decent living standards for all and an
> > > > > economics that adjusts to that beyond us rigs? We can simulate -
> > > > > which is what spreadsheets and databases are about. From my
> > practical
> > > > > experience I'd expect bunches of men with guns to be an early
> > problem,
> > > > > along with black-baggers and on to the megalomaniac paranoid
> > > > > narcissist versions of that North Korean prat in our own systems.
> > > > > With mosquito nets to give away in Africa the first problem was
> > > > > stopping black bandits stealing them - or so I thought until I found
> > > > > my own team had cornered a black market in them. Further up the tree
> > > > > you find the bribes, tenders accepted at "cost plus" and suspect the
> > > > > kickbacks reach white pockets. We can stop this kind of thing and
> > > > > choose not to. Those who learn science come to realise most people
> > > > > don't have the courage for it - but not quite what this implies about
> > > > > social organisation and the role of terror in it. Unemployment is
> > > > > such a terror for some they commit suicide. Suicide is almost a way
> > > > > of life for Indian farmers (250,000 in the last ten years or so).
> > > > > What has WW3 meant for the women of Congo? Economics and politics
> > > > > should be a war against terror. They ain't and rely on its
> > > > > continuance.
>
> > > > > On 25 Ap -r, 11:33, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Make power relations visible from the beginning on, is what I
> > suggest. And
> > > > > > start with positioning yourself in whatever frame that is under
> > discussion.
> > > > > > Educated voters do not pop up by flipping the age switch. Sending
> > kids out
> > > > > > at the age of 14 to have them experience how power relations also
> > work
> > > > > > outside family and school is an easy way of keeping my hands
> > clean. - A re
> > > > > > view from/at the grassroots.
>
> > > > > > 2013/4/24 rigs <rigs...@gmail.com>
>
> > > > > > > We need less sentimentality re our elections- they have become
> > > > > > > popularity contests sprinkled with celebrities, media bias,
> > appeal to
> > > > > > > base or selfish interests, etc. We also need serious, educated
> > voters
> > > > > > > which diminishes with universal sufferage and all the axes
> > grinding
> > > > > > > away. I do think there are honest people concerned about the
> > general
> > > > > > > welfare. Another correction should be term limits. The general
> > disgust
> > > > > > > with politicians is widespread but we get the government we
> > deserve or
> > > > > > > settle for. Would private wealth guarantee an honest politician
> > or
> > > > > > > would power be just as corrupting. (You could also rant about
> > > > > > > scientists who have thus far failed to cure the ills of
> > humanity.)
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 23, 3:57 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > which one Molly? It seems the day of the honest politician
> > that put the
> > > > > > > > nation above private interest is dead, gone and buried.. It is
> > not to
> > > > > > > late
> > > > > > > > to save the economy but that will not happen as long as they
> > can line
> > > > > > > thir
> > > > > > > > pockets with gold.. and if there is an honest politician they
> > throw so
> > > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > money agaist them it is impossible to win.
>
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:28 AM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Roosevelt, Roosevelt, waitin' on Roosevelt.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 9:21 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > He forgot Roosevelt. And the generals/admirals who knew
> > how many
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > be killed in advance. My- such a cutthroat world.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 21, 4:12 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > My goodness you've lumped Churchill in with some
> > disreputable
> > > > > > > > > characters
> > > > > > > > > > > haven't you Archy? I knew most of y'all wouldn't have
> > cared for her
> > > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > much
>
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Friday, April 26, 2013
Re: Mind's Eye Re: An Icon Dies
It's really spring today- opened windows! Be patient...//Yes- I will
be lucky if the morticians don't yank out my teeth! Will see the
dentist soon. Too bad I can't fix it myself with superglue or one of
your welders. :-)//Was not very political so the only milk scandal I
heard of was with Nestle vs breast feeding. It was a strange time- I
do remember Reagan decided Ketchup was a vegetable. I am grateful to
have taken food and nutrition seriously as I think it heals- along
with rest- just as powerfully as medicine- sometimes, of course. But
then I grew up when food was more trustworthy and family friends owned
restaurants and nightclubs so I got off to a pretty sophisticated
start---maybe even in utero! Why else would my mother advise champagne
and raw celery to cure morning sickness?//Had a story bloom in my head
about ancient hunters lugging back their giraffe or wildebeast- if
they weren't lost forever- and re-enacting their victory for the tribe
as the start of dance and theater. And heaven knows, a professional
athlete never tires of his career- at least that's been my experience-
plus it's the male who has recounted most of human history- tells
better jokes- etc. etc. etc...
On Apr 26, 12:38 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Winter is flickering out here, more slowly in the North. Strange
> yellow object seen in sky etc. Cold and windy today walking Maxwell.
> An old guy watching us said I'd finally invented the Labrador non-
> retriever. I said I'd specially trained Max to leave his ball to
> encourage me to walk further. Good to hear you are getting better
> rigs. Better get your tooth fixed before Gabby flies over with her
> dentists' drill and acupuncture anesthetics kit!! Though maybe not -
> the Germans are repatriating their gold.
>
> Thatcher is famed here in the UK for stopping our children's free
> milk. Actually, she was responsible for much greater cruelty in
> preventing milk-aid to Vietnam. Looking through lists of PMs and
> Presidents I'm not sure I can say any of them did anything better than
> stepping down. I think we might be better off with leadership by open
> examination and lot. My experience with it was always to hope it was
> occupied somewhere else and that when I actually needed decision
> support it was on holiday after sending pre-denial messages buried
> three levels down in my emails. I always found getting welders to
> work in the rain so a few hundred shipyard workers standing idle could
> get on with work that couldn't start before the welders finished a
> fair test of leadership. It taught you to project manage better so it
> never happened again!
>
> Grass needs cutting. Max hasn't met the mower yet! I wonder what
> crosses the Pond? Thatcher is pretty reviled here, but we're still a
> soft touch on Obama.
>
> On Apr 26, 3:15 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Not me- I don't romanticize it.
>
> > I wonder how many feel some shame and responsibility for the sweat-
> > shop-fire-traps of Bangladesh and other third world countries when
> > they buy their bargains at Primark, Walmart, Target, and perhaps many
> > private labels?
>
> > It's also been said that Jenny Jerome's father was Jewish. Read a
> > maybe two volume biography. Think I have mentioned her fatal tumble
> > down a flight of stairs when her new heel broke and younger husbands,
> > etc. Quite a dash-about, she was.
>
> > Our soldiers are also committing suicide at an alaming rate.
>
> > Your sports are sometimes like a dance- it depends. Dance and drama
> > may have started with men who seem to go on ad nauseum- more so than
> > women, who have other flaws and faults.
>
> > Am recovering nicely after convincing my eye dr. how to medicate
> > me. :-) Why should I take as many pills as a bruiser 6'+ weighing 200+
> > when I am 5'3" and 120? Doesn't make sense. The snows have melted-
> > warm this weekend. Hooray! Thanks again to all for your good wishes.
>
> > On Apr 25, 4:21 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > In short we are living in the past.
>
> > > On 25 Apr, 18:19, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Churchill was half American - nuff said Don! I hoped Thatcher would
> > > > be real change - but this dream is always rubbish - look at Obama.
> > > > Oliver Stone did The Untold American History recently - it turned out
> > > > not to be news to me, but we have forgotten how much sentiment there
> > > > was towards the end of WW2 about job guarantee and a democratic world
> > > > (Henry Wallace, generally unknown here, was the heart of it). The
> > > > debate had been had here at the end of WW1 - E D Morel unseated
> > > > Churchill in Dundee.
>
> > > > I think democracy is dead. I suspect many of us worry about this
> > > > across the old political spectrum. The left is haunted by Soviet
> > > > Paradise and now the right faces much the same with the banksters and
> > > > crony capitalism - the shadow politburo. Most of us want government
> > > > off our backs and probably think it's better to be able to vote for
> > > > what we want. But let's face it, Plato couldn't resolve the
> > > > corruption problem in seven books and didn't notice slavery was
> > > > wrong. I suspect Hayek and Popper would have disliked Thatcher - they
> > > > were anti-convictionist. I dislike the road to serfdom whether by
> > > > Soviet or global wage arbitrage. I don't share rigs' views above now
> > > > - but I did until a few years ago.
>
> > > > On the young Gabby, there is no talking to teenagers (scientifically)
> > > > and peer influence is at its greatest. Quite why humans specialise in
> > > > this extended period of painful childishness I don't know. I favour
> > > > doing them as little damage as possible and don't think debt peonage
> > > > by extending childhood to 21 is appropriate. I doubt people can stay
> > > > honest in leadership or politics without transparency and a system in
> > > > which they return to 'ordinary' status.
>
> > > > So how do we do transparent in a dirty old world? In games of
> > > > negotiation, undergraduate teams always chose the strategy that shits
> > > > on the other group - presumably thinking the other group can't work
> > > > out the simple rules. Accounting, just at the point when technology
> > > > could make the process transparent, accounts in a manner of
> > > > obfuscation We are all being told our countries should be innovative,
> > > > competitive, thrusting, vibrant (endless list) to be better than all
> > > > others in "free trade". The spreadsheet could start instead with
> > > > world-wide standards on wages and conditions. Rigs may rightly say
> > > > scientists haven't fixed us but no doubt doesn't have dreams about
> > > > moving as a four-dimensional space shifting in two dimensions of
> > > > time. Is the experiment of decent living standards for all and an
> > > > economics that adjusts to that beyond us rigs? We can simulate -
> > > > which is what spreadsheets and databases are about. From my practical
> > > > experience I'd expect bunches of men with guns to be an early problem,
> > > > along with black-baggers and on to the megalomaniac paranoid
> > > > narcissist versions of that North Korean prat in our own systems.
> > > > With mosquito nets to give away in Africa the first problem was
> > > > stopping black bandits stealing them - or so I thought until I found
> > > > my own team had cornered a black market in them. Further up the tree
> > > > you find the bribes, tenders accepted at "cost plus" and suspect the
> > > > kickbacks reach white pockets. We can stop this kind of thing and
> > > > choose not to. Those who learn science come to realise most people
> > > > don't have the courage for it - but not quite what this implies about
> > > > social organisation and the role of terror in it. Unemployment is
> > > > such a terror for some they commit suicide. Suicide is almost a way
> > > > of life for Indian farmers (250,000 in the last ten years or so).
> > > > What has WW3 meant for the women of Congo? Economics and politics
> > > > should be a war against terror. They ain't and rely on its
> > > > continuance.
>
> > > > On 25 Ap -r, 11:33, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Make power relations visible from the beginning on, is what I suggest. And
> > > > > start with positioning yourself in whatever frame that is under discussion.
> > > > > Educated voters do not pop up by flipping the age switch. Sending kids out
> > > > > at the age of 14 to have them experience how power relations also work
> > > > > outside family and school is an easy way of keeping my hands clean. - A re
> > > > > view from/at the grassroots.
>
> > > > > 2013/4/24 rigs <rigs...@gmail.com>
>
> > > > > > We need less sentimentality re our elections- they have become
> > > > > > popularity contests sprinkled with celebrities, media bias, appeal to
> > > > > > base or selfish interests, etc. We also need serious, educated voters
> > > > > > which diminishes with universal sufferage and all the axes grinding
> > > > > > away. I do think there are honest people concerned about the general
> > > > > > welfare. Another correction should be term limits. The general disgust
> > > > > > with politicians is widespread but we get the government we deserve or
> > > > > > settle for. Would private wealth guarantee an honest politician or
> > > > > > would power be just as corrupting. (You could also rant about
> > > > > > scientists who have thus far failed to cure the ills of humanity.)
>
> > > > > > On Apr 23, 3:57 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > which one Molly? It seems the day of the honest politician that put the
> > > > > > > nation above private interest is dead, gone and buried.. It is not to
> > > > > > late
> > > > > > > to save the economy but that will not happen as long as they can line
> > > > > > thir
> > > > > > > pockets with gold.. and if there is an honest politician they throw so
> > > > > > much
> > > > > > > money agaist them it is impossible to win.
>
> > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:28 AM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Roosevelt, Roosevelt, waitin' on Roosevelt.
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 9:21 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > He forgot Roosevelt. And the generals/admirals who knew how many
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > be killed in advance. My- such a cutthroat world.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 21, 4:12 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > My goodness you've lumped Churchill in with some disreputable
> > > > > > > > characters
> > > > > > > > > > haven't you Archy? I knew most of y'all wouldn't have cared for her
> > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > much but I wish we had someone just like her that could win an
> > > > > > election
> > > > > > > > > > over here but that's just not going to happen anytime too soon.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:39 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Women owe her a lot though she was not a feminist. She turned
> > > > > > Britain
> > > > > > > > > > > around but is a controversial figure. I say, Rest in Peace,
> > > > > > Maggie!
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 8, 9:00 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com>
>
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be lucky if the morticians don't yank out my teeth! Will see the
dentist soon. Too bad I can't fix it myself with superglue or one of
your welders. :-)//Was not very political so the only milk scandal I
heard of was with Nestle vs breast feeding. It was a strange time- I
do remember Reagan decided Ketchup was a vegetable. I am grateful to
have taken food and nutrition seriously as I think it heals- along
with rest- just as powerfully as medicine- sometimes, of course. But
then I grew up when food was more trustworthy and family friends owned
restaurants and nightclubs so I got off to a pretty sophisticated
start---maybe even in utero! Why else would my mother advise champagne
and raw celery to cure morning sickness?//Had a story bloom in my head
about ancient hunters lugging back their giraffe or wildebeast- if
they weren't lost forever- and re-enacting their victory for the tribe
as the start of dance and theater. And heaven knows, a professional
athlete never tires of his career- at least that's been my experience-
plus it's the male who has recounted most of human history- tells
better jokes- etc. etc. etc...
On Apr 26, 12:38 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Winter is flickering out here, more slowly in the North. Strange
> yellow object seen in sky etc. Cold and windy today walking Maxwell.
> An old guy watching us said I'd finally invented the Labrador non-
> retriever. I said I'd specially trained Max to leave his ball to
> encourage me to walk further. Good to hear you are getting better
> rigs. Better get your tooth fixed before Gabby flies over with her
> dentists' drill and acupuncture anesthetics kit!! Though maybe not -
> the Germans are repatriating their gold.
>
> Thatcher is famed here in the UK for stopping our children's free
> milk. Actually, she was responsible for much greater cruelty in
> preventing milk-aid to Vietnam. Looking through lists of PMs and
> Presidents I'm not sure I can say any of them did anything better than
> stepping down. I think we might be better off with leadership by open
> examination and lot. My experience with it was always to hope it was
> occupied somewhere else and that when I actually needed decision
> support it was on holiday after sending pre-denial messages buried
> three levels down in my emails. I always found getting welders to
> work in the rain so a few hundred shipyard workers standing idle could
> get on with work that couldn't start before the welders finished a
> fair test of leadership. It taught you to project manage better so it
> never happened again!
>
> Grass needs cutting. Max hasn't met the mower yet! I wonder what
> crosses the Pond? Thatcher is pretty reviled here, but we're still a
> soft touch on Obama.
>
> On Apr 26, 3:15 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Not me- I don't romanticize it.
>
> > I wonder how many feel some shame and responsibility for the sweat-
> > shop-fire-traps of Bangladesh and other third world countries when
> > they buy their bargains at Primark, Walmart, Target, and perhaps many
> > private labels?
>
> > It's also been said that Jenny Jerome's father was Jewish. Read a
> > maybe two volume biography. Think I have mentioned her fatal tumble
> > down a flight of stairs when her new heel broke and younger husbands,
> > etc. Quite a dash-about, she was.
>
> > Our soldiers are also committing suicide at an alaming rate.
>
> > Your sports are sometimes like a dance- it depends. Dance and drama
> > may have started with men who seem to go on ad nauseum- more so than
> > women, who have other flaws and faults.
>
> > Am recovering nicely after convincing my eye dr. how to medicate
> > me. :-) Why should I take as many pills as a bruiser 6'+ weighing 200+
> > when I am 5'3" and 120? Doesn't make sense. The snows have melted-
> > warm this weekend. Hooray! Thanks again to all for your good wishes.
>
> > On Apr 25, 4:21 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > In short we are living in the past.
>
> > > On 25 Apr, 18:19, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Churchill was half American - nuff said Don! I hoped Thatcher would
> > > > be real change - but this dream is always rubbish - look at Obama.
> > > > Oliver Stone did The Untold American History recently - it turned out
> > > > not to be news to me, but we have forgotten how much sentiment there
> > > > was towards the end of WW2 about job guarantee and a democratic world
> > > > (Henry Wallace, generally unknown here, was the heart of it). The
> > > > debate had been had here at the end of WW1 - E D Morel unseated
> > > > Churchill in Dundee.
>
> > > > I think democracy is dead. I suspect many of us worry about this
> > > > across the old political spectrum. The left is haunted by Soviet
> > > > Paradise and now the right faces much the same with the banksters and
> > > > crony capitalism - the shadow politburo. Most of us want government
> > > > off our backs and probably think it's better to be able to vote for
> > > > what we want. But let's face it, Plato couldn't resolve the
> > > > corruption problem in seven books and didn't notice slavery was
> > > > wrong. I suspect Hayek and Popper would have disliked Thatcher - they
> > > > were anti-convictionist. I dislike the road to serfdom whether by
> > > > Soviet or global wage arbitrage. I don't share rigs' views above now
> > > > - but I did until a few years ago.
>
> > > > On the young Gabby, there is no talking to teenagers (scientifically)
> > > > and peer influence is at its greatest. Quite why humans specialise in
> > > > this extended period of painful childishness I don't know. I favour
> > > > doing them as little damage as possible and don't think debt peonage
> > > > by extending childhood to 21 is appropriate. I doubt people can stay
> > > > honest in leadership or politics without transparency and a system in
> > > > which they return to 'ordinary' status.
>
> > > > So how do we do transparent in a dirty old world? In games of
> > > > negotiation, undergraduate teams always chose the strategy that shits
> > > > on the other group - presumably thinking the other group can't work
> > > > out the simple rules. Accounting, just at the point when technology
> > > > could make the process transparent, accounts in a manner of
> > > > obfuscation We are all being told our countries should be innovative,
> > > > competitive, thrusting, vibrant (endless list) to be better than all
> > > > others in "free trade". The spreadsheet could start instead with
> > > > world-wide standards on wages and conditions. Rigs may rightly say
> > > > scientists haven't fixed us but no doubt doesn't have dreams about
> > > > moving as a four-dimensional space shifting in two dimensions of
> > > > time. Is the experiment of decent living standards for all and an
> > > > economics that adjusts to that beyond us rigs? We can simulate -
> > > > which is what spreadsheets and databases are about. From my practical
> > > > experience I'd expect bunches of men with guns to be an early problem,
> > > > along with black-baggers and on to the megalomaniac paranoid
> > > > narcissist versions of that North Korean prat in our own systems.
> > > > With mosquito nets to give away in Africa the first problem was
> > > > stopping black bandits stealing them - or so I thought until I found
> > > > my own team had cornered a black market in them. Further up the tree
> > > > you find the bribes, tenders accepted at "cost plus" and suspect the
> > > > kickbacks reach white pockets. We can stop this kind of thing and
> > > > choose not to. Those who learn science come to realise most people
> > > > don't have the courage for it - but not quite what this implies about
> > > > social organisation and the role of terror in it. Unemployment is
> > > > such a terror for some they commit suicide. Suicide is almost a way
> > > > of life for Indian farmers (250,000 in the last ten years or so).
> > > > What has WW3 meant for the women of Congo? Economics and politics
> > > > should be a war against terror. They ain't and rely on its
> > > > continuance.
>
> > > > On 25 Ap -r, 11:33, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Make power relations visible from the beginning on, is what I suggest. And
> > > > > start with positioning yourself in whatever frame that is under discussion.
> > > > > Educated voters do not pop up by flipping the age switch. Sending kids out
> > > > > at the age of 14 to have them experience how power relations also work
> > > > > outside family and school is an easy way of keeping my hands clean. - A re
> > > > > view from/at the grassroots.
>
> > > > > 2013/4/24 rigs <rigs...@gmail.com>
>
> > > > > > We need less sentimentality re our elections- they have become
> > > > > > popularity contests sprinkled with celebrities, media bias, appeal to
> > > > > > base or selfish interests, etc. We also need serious, educated voters
> > > > > > which diminishes with universal sufferage and all the axes grinding
> > > > > > away. I do think there are honest people concerned about the general
> > > > > > welfare. Another correction should be term limits. The general disgust
> > > > > > with politicians is widespread but we get the government we deserve or
> > > > > > settle for. Would private wealth guarantee an honest politician or
> > > > > > would power be just as corrupting. (You could also rant about
> > > > > > scientists who have thus far failed to cure the ills of humanity.)
>
> > > > > > On Apr 23, 3:57 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > which one Molly? It seems the day of the honest politician that put the
> > > > > > > nation above private interest is dead, gone and buried.. It is not to
> > > > > > late
> > > > > > > to save the economy but that will not happen as long as they can line
> > > > > > thir
> > > > > > > pockets with gold.. and if there is an honest politician they throw so
> > > > > > much
> > > > > > > money agaist them it is impossible to win.
>
> > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:28 AM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Roosevelt, Roosevelt, waitin' on Roosevelt.
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 9:21 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > He forgot Roosevelt. And the generals/admirals who knew how many
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > be killed in advance. My- such a cutthroat world.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 21, 4:12 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > My goodness you've lumped Churchill in with some disreputable
> > > > > > > > characters
> > > > > > > > > > haven't you Archy? I knew most of y'all wouldn't have cared for her
> > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > much but I wish we had someone just like her that could win an
> > > > > > election
> > > > > > > > > > over here but that's just not going to happen anytime too soon.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:39 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Women owe her a lot though she was not a feminist. She turned
> > > > > > Britain
> > > > > > > > > > > around but is a controversial figure. I say, Rest in Peace,
> > > > > > Maggie!
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 8, 9:00 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com>
>
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True. You just have to mulch them, weed them, feed and water them,
deadhead them, cut back, etc. while fending off bees and mosquitos!
What a deal!
On Apr 26, 2:13 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> flower gardens are much better you do not have to mow them.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:38 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Winter is flickering out here, more slowly in the North. Strange
> > yellow object seen in sky etc. Cold and windy today walking Maxwell.
> > An old guy watching us said I'd finally invented the Labrador non-
> > retriever. I said I'd specially trained Max to leave his ball to
> > encourage me to walk further. Good to hear you are getting better
> > rigs. Better get your tooth fixed before Gabby flies over with her
> > dentists' drill and acupuncture anesthetics kit!! Though maybe not -
> > the Germans are repatriating their gold.
>
> > Thatcher is famed here in the UK for stopping our children's free
> > milk. Actually, she was responsible for much greater cruelty in
> > preventing milk-aid to Vietnam. Looking through lists of PMs and
> > Presidents I'm not sure I can say any of them did anything better than
> > stepping down. I think we might be better off with leadership by open
> > examination and lot. My experience with it was always to hope it was
> > occupied somewhere else and that when I actually needed decision
> > support it was on holiday after sending pre-denial messages buried
> > three levels down in my emails. I always found getting welders to
> > work in the rain so a few hundred shipyard workers standing idle could
> > get on with work that couldn't start before the welders finished a
> > fair test of leadership. It taught you to project manage better so it
> > never happened again!
>
> > Grass needs cutting. Max hasn't met the mower yet! I wonder what
> > crosses the Pond? Thatcher is pretty reviled here, but we're still a
> > soft touch on Obama.
>
> > On Apr 26, 3:15 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Not me- I don't romanticize it.
>
> > > I wonder how many feel some shame and responsibility for the sweat-
> > > shop-fire-traps of Bangladesh and other third world countries when
> > > they buy their bargains at Primark, Walmart, Target, and perhaps many
> > > private labels?
>
> > > It's also been said that Jenny Jerome's father was Jewish. Read a
> > > maybe two volume biography. Think I have mentioned her fatal tumble
> > > down a flight of stairs when her new heel broke and younger husbands,
> > > etc. Quite a dash-about, she was.
>
> > > Our soldiers are also committing suicide at an alaming rate.
>
> > > Your sports are sometimes like a dance- it depends. Dance and drama
> > > may have started with men who seem to go on ad nauseum- more so than
> > > women, who have other flaws and faults.
>
> > > Am recovering nicely after convincing my eye dr. how to medicate
> > > me. :-) Why should I take as many pills as a bruiser 6'+ weighing 200+
> > > when I am 5'3" and 120? Doesn't make sense. The snows have melted-
> > > warm this weekend. Hooray! Thanks again to all for your good wishes.
>
> > > On Apr 25, 4:21 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In short we are living in the past.
>
> > > > On 25 Apr, 18:19, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Churchill was half American - nuff said Don! I hoped Thatcher would
> > > > > be real change - but this dream is always rubbish - look at Obama.
> > > > > Oliver Stone did The Untold American History recently - it turned out
> > > > > not to be news to me, but we have forgotten how much sentiment there
> > > > > was towards the end of WW2 about job guarantee and a democratic world
> > > > > (Henry Wallace, generally unknown here, was the heart of it). The
> > > > > debate had been had here at the end of WW1 - E D Morel unseated
> > > > > Churchill in Dundee.
>
> > > > > I think democracy is dead. I suspect many of us worry about this
> > > > > across the old political spectrum. The left is haunted by Soviet
> > > > > Paradise and now the right faces much the same with the banksters and
> > > > > crony capitalism - the shadow politburo. Most of us want government
> > > > > off our backs and probably think it's better to be able to vote for
> > > > > what we want. But let's face it, Plato couldn't resolve the
> > > > > corruption problem in seven books and didn't notice slavery was
> > > > > wrong. I suspect Hayek and Popper would have disliked Thatcher -
> > they
> > > > > were anti-convictionist. I dislike the road to serfdom whether by
> > > > > Soviet or global wage arbitrage. I don't share rigs' views above now
> > > > > - but I did until a few years ago.
>
> > > > > On the young Gabby, there is no talking to teenagers (scientifically)
> > > > > and peer influence is at its greatest. Quite why humans specialise
> > in
> > > > > this extended period of painful childishness I don't know. I favour
> > > > > doing them as little damage as possible and don't think debt peonage
> > > > > by extending childhood to 21 is appropriate. I doubt people can stay
> > > > > honest in leadership or politics without transparency and a system in
> > > > > which they return to 'ordinary' status.
>
> > > > > So how do we do transparent in a dirty old world? In games of
> > > > > negotiation, undergraduate teams always chose the strategy that shits
> > > > > on the other group - presumably thinking the other group can't work
> > > > > out the simple rules. Accounting, just at the point when technology
> > > > > could make the process transparent, accounts in a manner of
> > > > > obfuscation We are all being told our countries should be
> > innovative,
> > > > > competitive, thrusting, vibrant (endless list) to be better than all
> > > > > others in "free trade". The spreadsheet could start instead with
> > > > > world-wide standards on wages and conditions. Rigs may rightly say
> > > > > scientists haven't fixed us but no doubt doesn't have dreams about
> > > > > moving as a four-dimensional space shifting in two dimensions of
> > > > > time. Is the experiment of decent living standards for all and an
> > > > > economics that adjusts to that beyond us rigs? We can simulate -
> > > > > which is what spreadsheets and databases are about. From my
> > practical
> > > > > experience I'd expect bunches of men with guns to be an early
> > problem,
> > > > > along with black-baggers and on to the megalomaniac paranoid
> > > > > narcissist versions of that North Korean prat in our own systems.
> > > > > With mosquito nets to give away in Africa the first problem was
> > > > > stopping black bandits stealing them - or so I thought until I found
> > > > > my own team had cornered a black market in them. Further up the tree
> > > > > you find the bribes, tenders accepted at "cost plus" and suspect the
> > > > > kickbacks reach white pockets. We can stop this kind of thing and
> > > > > choose not to. Those who learn science come to realise most people
> > > > > don't have the courage for it - but not quite what this implies about
> > > > > social organisation and the role of terror in it. Unemployment is
> > > > > such a terror for some they commit suicide. Suicide is almost a way
> > > > > of life for Indian farmers (250,000 in the last ten years or so).
> > > > > What has WW3 meant for the women of Congo? Economics and politics
> > > > > should be a war against terror. They ain't and rely on its
> > > > > continuance.
>
> > > > > On 25 Ap -r, 11:33, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Make power relations visible from the beginning on, is what I
> > suggest. And
> > > > > > start with positioning yourself in whatever frame that is under
> > discussion.
> > > > > > Educated voters do not pop up by flipping the age switch. Sending
> > kids out
> > > > > > at the age of 14 to have them experience how power relations also
> > work
> > > > > > outside family and school is an easy way of keeping my hands
> > clean. - A re
> > > > > > view from/at the grassroots.
>
> > > > > > 2013/4/24 rigs <rigs...@gmail.com>
>
> > > > > > > We need less sentimentality re our elections- they have become
> > > > > > > popularity contests sprinkled with celebrities, media bias,
> > appeal to
> > > > > > > base or selfish interests, etc. We also need serious, educated
> > voters
> > > > > > > which diminishes with universal sufferage and all the axes
> > grinding
> > > > > > > away. I do think there are honest people concerned about the
> > general
> > > > > > > welfare. Another correction should be term limits. The general
> > disgust
> > > > > > > with politicians is widespread but we get the government we
> > deserve or
> > > > > > > settle for. Would private wealth guarantee an honest politician
> > or
> > > > > > > would power be just as corrupting. (You could also rant about
> > > > > > > scientists who have thus far failed to cure the ills of
> > humanity.)
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 23, 3:57 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > which one Molly? It seems the day of the honest politician
> > that put the
> > > > > > > > nation above private interest is dead, gone and buried.. It is
> > not to
> > > > > > > late
> > > > > > > > to save the economy but that will not happen as long as they
> > can line
> > > > > > > thir
> > > > > > > > pockets with gold.. and if there is an honest politician they
> > throw so
> > > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > money agaist them it is impossible to win.
>
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:28 AM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Roosevelt, Roosevelt, waitin' on Roosevelt.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 9:21 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > He forgot Roosevelt. And the generals/admirals who knew
> > how many
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > be killed in advance. My- such a cutthroat world.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 21, 4:12 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > My goodness you've lumped Churchill in with some
> > disreputable
> > > > > > > > > characters
> > > > > > > > > > > haven't you Archy? I knew most of y'all wouldn't have
> > cared for her
> > > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > much
>
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deadhead them, cut back, etc. while fending off bees and mosquitos!
What a deal!
On Apr 26, 2:13 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> flower gardens are much better you do not have to mow them.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:38 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Winter is flickering out here, more slowly in the North. Strange
> > yellow object seen in sky etc. Cold and windy today walking Maxwell.
> > An old guy watching us said I'd finally invented the Labrador non-
> > retriever. I said I'd specially trained Max to leave his ball to
> > encourage me to walk further. Good to hear you are getting better
> > rigs. Better get your tooth fixed before Gabby flies over with her
> > dentists' drill and acupuncture anesthetics kit!! Though maybe not -
> > the Germans are repatriating their gold.
>
> > Thatcher is famed here in the UK for stopping our children's free
> > milk. Actually, she was responsible for much greater cruelty in
> > preventing milk-aid to Vietnam. Looking through lists of PMs and
> > Presidents I'm not sure I can say any of them did anything better than
> > stepping down. I think we might be better off with leadership by open
> > examination and lot. My experience with it was always to hope it was
> > occupied somewhere else and that when I actually needed decision
> > support it was on holiday after sending pre-denial messages buried
> > three levels down in my emails. I always found getting welders to
> > work in the rain so a few hundred shipyard workers standing idle could
> > get on with work that couldn't start before the welders finished a
> > fair test of leadership. It taught you to project manage better so it
> > never happened again!
>
> > Grass needs cutting. Max hasn't met the mower yet! I wonder what
> > crosses the Pond? Thatcher is pretty reviled here, but we're still a
> > soft touch on Obama.
>
> > On Apr 26, 3:15 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Not me- I don't romanticize it.
>
> > > I wonder how many feel some shame and responsibility for the sweat-
> > > shop-fire-traps of Bangladesh and other third world countries when
> > > they buy their bargains at Primark, Walmart, Target, and perhaps many
> > > private labels?
>
> > > It's also been said that Jenny Jerome's father was Jewish. Read a
> > > maybe two volume biography. Think I have mentioned her fatal tumble
> > > down a flight of stairs when her new heel broke and younger husbands,
> > > etc. Quite a dash-about, she was.
>
> > > Our soldiers are also committing suicide at an alaming rate.
>
> > > Your sports are sometimes like a dance- it depends. Dance and drama
> > > may have started with men who seem to go on ad nauseum- more so than
> > > women, who have other flaws and faults.
>
> > > Am recovering nicely after convincing my eye dr. how to medicate
> > > me. :-) Why should I take as many pills as a bruiser 6'+ weighing 200+
> > > when I am 5'3" and 120? Doesn't make sense. The snows have melted-
> > > warm this weekend. Hooray! Thanks again to all for your good wishes.
>
> > > On Apr 25, 4:21 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In short we are living in the past.
>
> > > > On 25 Apr, 18:19, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Churchill was half American - nuff said Don! I hoped Thatcher would
> > > > > be real change - but this dream is always rubbish - look at Obama.
> > > > > Oliver Stone did The Untold American History recently - it turned out
> > > > > not to be news to me, but we have forgotten how much sentiment there
> > > > > was towards the end of WW2 about job guarantee and a democratic world
> > > > > (Henry Wallace, generally unknown here, was the heart of it). The
> > > > > debate had been had here at the end of WW1 - E D Morel unseated
> > > > > Churchill in Dundee.
>
> > > > > I think democracy is dead. I suspect many of us worry about this
> > > > > across the old political spectrum. The left is haunted by Soviet
> > > > > Paradise and now the right faces much the same with the banksters and
> > > > > crony capitalism - the shadow politburo. Most of us want government
> > > > > off our backs and probably think it's better to be able to vote for
> > > > > what we want. But let's face it, Plato couldn't resolve the
> > > > > corruption problem in seven books and didn't notice slavery was
> > > > > wrong. I suspect Hayek and Popper would have disliked Thatcher -
> > they
> > > > > were anti-convictionist. I dislike the road to serfdom whether by
> > > > > Soviet or global wage arbitrage. I don't share rigs' views above now
> > > > > - but I did until a few years ago.
>
> > > > > On the young Gabby, there is no talking to teenagers (scientifically)
> > > > > and peer influence is at its greatest. Quite why humans specialise
> > in
> > > > > this extended period of painful childishness I don't know. I favour
> > > > > doing them as little damage as possible and don't think debt peonage
> > > > > by extending childhood to 21 is appropriate. I doubt people can stay
> > > > > honest in leadership or politics without transparency and a system in
> > > > > which they return to 'ordinary' status.
>
> > > > > So how do we do transparent in a dirty old world? In games of
> > > > > negotiation, undergraduate teams always chose the strategy that shits
> > > > > on the other group - presumably thinking the other group can't work
> > > > > out the simple rules. Accounting, just at the point when technology
> > > > > could make the process transparent, accounts in a manner of
> > > > > obfuscation We are all being told our countries should be
> > innovative,
> > > > > competitive, thrusting, vibrant (endless list) to be better than all
> > > > > others in "free trade". The spreadsheet could start instead with
> > > > > world-wide standards on wages and conditions. Rigs may rightly say
> > > > > scientists haven't fixed us but no doubt doesn't have dreams about
> > > > > moving as a four-dimensional space shifting in two dimensions of
> > > > > time. Is the experiment of decent living standards for all and an
> > > > > economics that adjusts to that beyond us rigs? We can simulate -
> > > > > which is what spreadsheets and databases are about. From my
> > practical
> > > > > experience I'd expect bunches of men with guns to be an early
> > problem,
> > > > > along with black-baggers and on to the megalomaniac paranoid
> > > > > narcissist versions of that North Korean prat in our own systems.
> > > > > With mosquito nets to give away in Africa the first problem was
> > > > > stopping black bandits stealing them - or so I thought until I found
> > > > > my own team had cornered a black market in them. Further up the tree
> > > > > you find the bribes, tenders accepted at "cost plus" and suspect the
> > > > > kickbacks reach white pockets. We can stop this kind of thing and
> > > > > choose not to. Those who learn science come to realise most people
> > > > > don't have the courage for it - but not quite what this implies about
> > > > > social organisation and the role of terror in it. Unemployment is
> > > > > such a terror for some they commit suicide. Suicide is almost a way
> > > > > of life for Indian farmers (250,000 in the last ten years or so).
> > > > > What has WW3 meant for the women of Congo? Economics and politics
> > > > > should be a war against terror. They ain't and rely on its
> > > > > continuance.
>
> > > > > On 25 Ap -r, 11:33, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Make power relations visible from the beginning on, is what I
> > suggest. And
> > > > > > start with positioning yourself in whatever frame that is under
> > discussion.
> > > > > > Educated voters do not pop up by flipping the age switch. Sending
> > kids out
> > > > > > at the age of 14 to have them experience how power relations also
> > work
> > > > > > outside family and school is an easy way of keeping my hands
> > clean. - A re
> > > > > > view from/at the grassroots.
>
> > > > > > 2013/4/24 rigs <rigs...@gmail.com>
>
> > > > > > > We need less sentimentality re our elections- they have become
> > > > > > > popularity contests sprinkled with celebrities, media bias,
> > appeal to
> > > > > > > base or selfish interests, etc. We also need serious, educated
> > voters
> > > > > > > which diminishes with universal sufferage and all the axes
> > grinding
> > > > > > > away. I do think there are honest people concerned about the
> > general
> > > > > > > welfare. Another correction should be term limits. The general
> > disgust
> > > > > > > with politicians is widespread but we get the government we
> > deserve or
> > > > > > > settle for. Would private wealth guarantee an honest politician
> > or
> > > > > > > would power be just as corrupting. (You could also rant about
> > > > > > > scientists who have thus far failed to cure the ills of
> > humanity.)
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 23, 3:57 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > which one Molly? It seems the day of the honest politician
> > that put the
> > > > > > > > nation above private interest is dead, gone and buried.. It is
> > not to
> > > > > > > late
> > > > > > > > to save the economy but that will not happen as long as they
> > can line
> > > > > > > thir
> > > > > > > > pockets with gold.. and if there is an honest politician they
> > throw so
> > > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > money agaist them it is impossible to win.
>
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:28 AM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Roosevelt, Roosevelt, waitin' on Roosevelt.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 9:21 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > He forgot Roosevelt. And the generals/admirals who knew
> > how many
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > be killed in advance. My- such a cutthroat world.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 21, 4:12 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > My goodness you've lumped Churchill in with some
> > disreputable
> > > > > > > > > characters
> > > > > > > > > > > haven't you Archy? I knew most of y'all wouldn't have
> > cared for her
> > > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > much
>
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flower gardens are much better you do not have to mow them.
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:38 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
Winter is flickering out here, more slowly in the North. Strange
yellow object seen in sky etc. Cold and windy today walking Maxwell.
An old guy watching us said I'd finally invented the Labrador non-
retriever. I said I'd specially trained Max to leave his ball to
encourage me to walk further. Good to hear you are getting better
rigs. Better get your tooth fixed before Gabby flies over with her
dentists' drill and acupuncture anesthetics kit!! Though maybe not -
the Germans are repatriating their gold.
Thatcher is famed here in the UK for stopping our children's free
milk. Actually, she was responsible for much greater cruelty in
preventing milk-aid to Vietnam. Looking through lists of PMs and
Presidents I'm not sure I can say any of them did anything better than
stepping down. I think we might be better off with leadership by open
examination and lot. My experience with it was always to hope it was
occupied somewhere else and that when I actually needed decision
support it was on holiday after sending pre-denial messages buried
three levels down in my emails. I always found getting welders to
work in the rain so a few hundred shipyard workers standing idle could
get on with work that couldn't start before the welders finished a
fair test of leadership. It taught you to project manage better so it
never happened again!
Grass needs cutting. Max hasn't met the mower yet! I wonder what
crosses the Pond? Thatcher is pretty reviled here, but we're still a
soft touch on Obama.
> ...
On Apr 26, 3:15 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not me- I don't romanticize it.
>
> I wonder how many feel some shame and responsibility for the sweat-
> shop-fire-traps of Bangladesh and other third world countries when
> they buy their bargains at Primark, Walmart, Target, and perhaps many
> private labels?
>
> It's also been said that Jenny Jerome's father was Jewish. Read a
> maybe two volume biography. Think I have mentioned her fatal tumble
> down a flight of stairs when her new heel broke and younger husbands,
> etc. Quite a dash-about, she was.
>
> Our soldiers are also committing suicide at an alaming rate.
>
> Your sports are sometimes like a dance- it depends. Dance and drama
> may have started with men who seem to go on ad nauseum- more so than
> women, who have other flaws and faults.
>
> Am recovering nicely after convincing my eye dr. how to medicate
> me. :-) Why should I take as many pills as a bruiser 6'+ weighing 200+
> when I am 5'3" and 120? Doesn't make sense. The snows have melted-
> warm this weekend. Hooray! Thanks again to all for your good wishes.
>
> On Apr 25, 4:21 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In short we are living in the past.
>
> > On 25 Apr, 18:19, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Churchill was half American - nuff said Don! I hoped Thatcher would
> > > be real change - but this dream is always rubbish - look at Obama.
> > > Oliver Stone did The Untold American History recently - it turned out
> > > not to be news to me, but we have forgotten how much sentiment there
> > > was towards the end of WW2 about job guarantee and a democratic world
> > > (Henry Wallace, generally unknown here, was the heart of it). The
> > > debate had been had here at the end of WW1 - E D Morel unseated
> > > Churchill in Dundee.
>
> > > I think democracy is dead. I suspect many of us worry about this
> > > across the old political spectrum. The left is haunted by Soviet
> > > Paradise and now the right faces much the same with the banksters and
> > > crony capitalism - the shadow politburo. Most of us want government
> > > off our backs and probably think it's better to be able to vote for
> > > what we want. But let's face it, Plato couldn't resolve the
> > > corruption problem in seven books and didn't notice slavery was
> > > wrong. I suspect Hayek and Popper would have disliked Thatcher - they
> > > were anti-convictionist. I dislike the road to serfdom whether by
> > > Soviet or global wage arbitrage. I don't share rigs' views above now
> > > - but I did until a few years ago.
>
> > > On the young Gabby, there is no talking to teenagers (scientifically)
> > > and peer influence is at its greatest. Quite why humans specialise in
> > > this extended period of painful childishness I don't know. I favour
> > > doing them as little damage as possible and don't think debt peonage
> > > by extending childhood to 21 is appropriate. I doubt people can stay
> > > honest in leadership or politics without transparency and a system in
> > > which they return to 'ordinary' status.
>
> > > So how do we do transparent in a dirty old world? In games of
> > > negotiation, undergraduate teams always chose the strategy that shits
> > > on the other group - presumably thinking the other group can't work
> > > out the simple rules. Accounting, just at the point when technology
> > > could make the process transparent, accounts in a manner of
> > > obfuscation We are all being told our countries should be innovative,
> > > competitive, thrusting, vibrant (endless list) to be better than all
> > > others in "free trade". The spreadsheet could start instead with
> > > world-wide standards on wages and conditions. Rigs may rightly say
> > > scientists haven't fixed us but no doubt doesn't have dreams about
> > > moving as a four-dimensional space shifting in two dimensions of
> > > time. Is the experiment of decent living standards for all and an
> > > economics that adjusts to that beyond us rigs? We can simulate -
> > > which is what spreadsheets and databases are about. From my practical
> > > experience I'd expect bunches of men with guns to be an early problem,
> > > along with black-baggers and on to the megalomaniac paranoid
> > > narcissist versions of that North Korean prat in our own systems.
> > > With mosquito nets to give away in Africa the first problem was
> > > stopping black bandits stealing them - or so I thought until I found
> > > my own team had cornered a black market in them. Further up the tree
> > > you find the bribes, tenders accepted at "cost plus" and suspect the
> > > kickbacks reach white pockets. We can stop this kind of thing and
> > > choose not to. Those who learn science come to realise most people
> > > don't have the courage for it - but not quite what this implies about
> > > social organisation and the role of terror in it. Unemployment is
> > > such a terror for some they commit suicide. Suicide is almost a way
> > > of life for Indian farmers (250,000 in the last ten years or so).
> > > What has WW3 meant for the women of Congo? Economics and politics
> > > should be a war against terror. They ain't and rely on its
> > > continuance.
>
> > > On 25 Ap -r, 11:33, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Make power relations visible from the beginning on, is what I suggest. And
> > > > start with positioning yourself in whatever frame that is under discussion.
> > > > Educated voters do not pop up by flipping the age switch. Sending kids out
> > > > at the age of 14 to have them experience how power relations also work
> > > > outside family and school is an easy way of keeping my hands clean. - A re
> > > > view from/at the grassroots.
>
> > > > 2013/4/24 rigs <rigs...@gmail.com>
>
> > > > > We need less sentimentality re our elections- they have become
> > > > > popularity contests sprinkled with celebrities, media bias, appeal to
> > > > > base or selfish interests, etc. We also need serious, educated voters
> > > > > which diminishes with universal sufferage and all the axes grinding
> > > > > away. I do think there are honest people concerned about the general
> > > > > welfare. Another correction should be term limits. The general disgust
> > > > > with politicians is widespread but we get the government we deserve or
> > > > > settle for. Would private wealth guarantee an honest politician or
> > > > > would power be just as corrupting. (You could also rant about
> > > > > scientists who have thus far failed to cure the ills of humanity.)
>
> > > > > On Apr 23, 3:57 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > which one Molly? It seems the day of the honest politician that put the
> > > > > > nation above private interest is dead, gone and buried.. It is not to
> > > > > late
> > > > > > to save the economy but that will not happen as long as they can line
> > > > > thir
> > > > > > pockets with gold.. and if there is an honest politician they throw so
> > > > > much
> > > > > > money agaist them it is impossible to win.
>
> > > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:28 AM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Roosevelt, Roosevelt, waitin' on Roosevelt.
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 22, 9:21 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > He forgot Roosevelt. And the generals/admirals who knew how many
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > > be killed in advance. My- such a cutthroat world.
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 21, 4:12 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > My goodness you've lumped Churchill in with some disreputable
> > > > > > > characters
> > > > > > > > > haven't you Archy? I knew most of y'all wouldn't have cared for her
> > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > much but I wish we had someone just like her that could win an
> > > > > election
> > > > > > > > > over here but that's just not going to happen anytime too soon.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:39 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Women owe her a lot though she was not a feminist. She turned
> > > > > Britain
> > > > > > > > > > around but is a controversial figure. I say, Rest in Peace,
> > > > > Maggie!
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 8, 9:00 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I grew up respecting, almost revering Margaret Thatcher. What a
> > > > > > > stalwart
> > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > the face of encroaching Communism and it's inherent
> > > > > destruction of
> > > > > > > > > > > individuality and creativity. I hope her passing brings more
> > > > > > > conservative
> > > > > > > > > > > economic policy into the debate. I don't know about England but
> > > > > > > over here
> > > > > > > > > > > in America we are still spending money we don't have and
> > > > > expanding
> > > > > > > > > > > government services our government sucks at dispensing. Our
> > > > > elected
> > > > > > > > > > > representatives lie to our faces on national television and
> > > > > there's
> > > > > > > > > > almost
> > > > > > > > > > > no reaction. I suppose it's always been like that but I hate it
> > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > > we're
> > > > > > > > > > > being "fundamentally changed" and most of the public is
> > > > > blissfully
> > > > > > > > > > unaware
> > > > > > > > > > > of the nefarious agenda being enacted right under their noses.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > Iron
> > > > > > > > > > > Lady's warnings about the follies of big government are being
> > > > > > > ignored
> > > > > > > > > > > globally to our mutual detriment.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Anyways that's my thoughts about her. I know many of you have
> > > > > > > different
> > > > > > > > > > > thoughts on her impact and contributions and this thread is a
> > > > > > > chance to
> > > > > > > > > > air
> > > > > > > > > > > them. I'll never forget reading Frederick Von Heyek's reaction
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > > > > meeting her. "She's so beautiful!" Not an adjective I would
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > applied
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > her myself but to a guy used to
>
>
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Re: Mind's Eye Re: An Icon Dies
Winter is flickering out here, more slowly in the North. Strange
yellow object seen in sky etc. Cold and windy today walking Maxwell.
An old guy watching us said I'd finally invented the Labrador non-
retriever. I said I'd specially trained Max to leave his ball to
encourage me to walk further. Good to hear you are getting better
rigs. Better get your tooth fixed before Gabby flies over with her
dentists' drill and acupuncture anesthetics kit!! Though maybe not -
the Germans are repatriating their gold.
Thatcher is famed here in the UK for stopping our children's free
milk. Actually, she was responsible for much greater cruelty in
preventing milk-aid to Vietnam. Looking through lists of PMs and
Presidents I'm not sure I can say any of them did anything better than
stepping down. I think we might be better off with leadership by open
examination and lot. My experience with it was always to hope it was
occupied somewhere else and that when I actually needed decision
support it was on holiday after sending pre-denial messages buried
three levels down in my emails. I always found getting welders to
work in the rain so a few hundred shipyard workers standing idle could
get on with work that couldn't start before the welders finished a
fair test of leadership. It taught you to project manage better so it
never happened again!
Grass needs cutting. Max hasn't met the mower yet! I wonder what
crosses the Pond? Thatcher is pretty reviled here, but we're still a
soft touch on Obama.
On Apr 26, 3:15 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not me- I don't romanticize it.
>
> I wonder how many feel some shame and responsibility for the sweat-
> shop-fire-traps of Bangladesh and other third world countries when
> they buy their bargains at Primark, Walmart, Target, and perhaps many
> private labels?
>
> It's also been said that Jenny Jerome's father was Jewish. Read a
> maybe two volume biography. Think I have mentioned her fatal tumble
> down a flight of stairs when her new heel broke and younger husbands,
> etc. Quite a dash-about, she was.
>
> Our soldiers are also committing suicide at an alaming rate.
>
> Your sports are sometimes like a dance- it depends. Dance and drama
> may have started with men who seem to go on ad nauseum- more so than
> women, who have other flaws and faults.
>
> Am recovering nicely after convincing my eye dr. how to medicate
> me. :-) Why should I take as many pills as a bruiser 6'+ weighing 200+
> when I am 5'3" and 120? Doesn't make sense. The snows have melted-
> warm this weekend. Hooray! Thanks again to all for your good wishes.
>
> On Apr 25, 4:21 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In short we are living in the past.
>
> > On 25 Apr, 18:19, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Churchill was half American - nuff said Don! I hoped Thatcher would
> > > be real change - but this dream is always rubbish - look at Obama.
> > > Oliver Stone did The Untold American History recently - it turned out
> > > not to be news to me, but we have forgotten how much sentiment there
> > > was towards the end of WW2 about job guarantee and a democratic world
> > > (Henry Wallace, generally unknown here, was the heart of it). The
> > > debate had been had here at the end of WW1 - E D Morel unseated
> > > Churchill in Dundee.
>
> > > I think democracy is dead. I suspect many of us worry about this
> > > across the old political spectrum. The left is haunted by Soviet
> > > Paradise and now the right faces much the same with the banksters and
> > > crony capitalism - the shadow politburo. Most of us want government
> > > off our backs and probably think it's better to be able to vote for
> > > what we want. But let's face it, Plato couldn't resolve the
> > > corruption problem in seven books and didn't notice slavery was
> > > wrong. I suspect Hayek and Popper would have disliked Thatcher - they
> > > were anti-convictionist. I dislike the road to serfdom whether by
> > > Soviet or global wage arbitrage. I don't share rigs' views above now
> > > - but I did until a few years ago.
>
> > > On the young Gabby, there is no talking to teenagers (scientifically)
> > > and peer influence is at its greatest. Quite why humans specialise in
> > > this extended period of painful childishness I don't know. I favour
> > > doing them as little damage as possible and don't think debt peonage
> > > by extending childhood to 21 is appropriate. I doubt people can stay
> > > honest in leadership or politics without transparency and a system in
> > > which they return to 'ordinary' status.
>
> > > So how do we do transparent in a dirty old world? In games of
> > > negotiation, undergraduate teams always chose the strategy that shits
> > > on the other group - presumably thinking the other group can't work
> > > out the simple rules. Accounting, just at the point when technology
> > > could make the process transparent, accounts in a manner of
> > > obfuscation We are all being told our countries should be innovative,
> > > competitive, thrusting, vibrant (endless list) to be better than all
> > > others in "free trade". The spreadsheet could start instead with
> > > world-wide standards on wages and conditions. Rigs may rightly say
> > > scientists haven't fixed us but no doubt doesn't have dreams about
> > > moving as a four-dimensional space shifting in two dimensions of
> > > time. Is the experiment of decent living standards for all and an
> > > economics that adjusts to that beyond us rigs? We can simulate -
> > > which is what spreadsheets and databases are about. From my practical
> > > experience I'd expect bunches of men with guns to be an early problem,
> > > along with black-baggers and on to the megalomaniac paranoid
> > > narcissist versions of that North Korean prat in our own systems.
> > > With mosquito nets to give away in Africa the first problem was
> > > stopping black bandits stealing them - or so I thought until I found
> > > my own team had cornered a black market in them. Further up the tree
> > > you find the bribes, tenders accepted at "cost plus" and suspect the
> > > kickbacks reach white pockets. We can stop this kind of thing and
> > > choose not to. Those who learn science come to realise most people
> > > don't have the courage for it - but not quite what this implies about
> > > social organisation and the role of terror in it. Unemployment is
> > > such a terror for some they commit suicide. Suicide is almost a way
> > > of life for Indian farmers (250,000 in the last ten years or so).
> > > What has WW3 meant for the women of Congo? Economics and politics
> > > should be a war against terror. They ain't and rely on its
> > > continuance.
>
> > > On 25 Ap -r, 11:33, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Make power relations visible from the beginning on, is what I suggest. And
> > > > start with positioning yourself in whatever frame that is under discussion.
> > > > Educated voters do not pop up by flipping the age switch. Sending kids out
> > > > at the age of 14 to have them experience how power relations also work
> > > > outside family and school is an easy way of keeping my hands clean. - A re
> > > > view from/at the grassroots.
>
> > > > 2013/4/24 rigs <rigs...@gmail.com>
>
> > > > > We need less sentimentality re our elections- they have become
> > > > > popularity contests sprinkled with celebrities, media bias, appeal to
> > > > > base or selfish interests, etc. We also need serious, educated voters
> > > > > which diminishes with universal sufferage and all the axes grinding
> > > > > away. I do think there are honest people concerned about the general
> > > > > welfare. Another correction should be term limits. The general disgust
> > > > > with politicians is widespread but we get the government we deserve or
> > > > > settle for. Would private wealth guarantee an honest politician or
> > > > > would power be just as corrupting. (You could also rant about
> > > > > scientists who have thus far failed to cure the ills of humanity.)
>
> > > > > On Apr 23, 3:57 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > which one Molly? It seems the day of the honest politician that put the
> > > > > > nation above private interest is dead, gone and buried.. It is not to
> > > > > late
> > > > > > to save the economy but that will not happen as long as they can line
> > > > > thir
> > > > > > pockets with gold.. and if there is an honest politician they throw so
> > > > > much
> > > > > > money agaist them it is impossible to win.
>
> > > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:28 AM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Roosevelt, Roosevelt, waitin' on Roosevelt.
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 22, 9:21 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > He forgot Roosevelt. And the generals/admirals who knew how many
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > > be killed in advance. My- such a cutthroat world.
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 21, 4:12 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > My goodness you've lumped Churchill in with some disreputable
> > > > > > > characters
> > > > > > > > > haven't you Archy? I knew most of y'all wouldn't have cared for her
> > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > much but I wish we had someone just like her that could win an
> > > > > election
> > > > > > > > > over here but that's just not going to happen anytime too soon.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:39 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Women owe her a lot though she was not a feminist. She turned
> > > > > Britain
> > > > > > > > > > around but is a controversial figure. I say, Rest in Peace,
> > > > > Maggie!
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 8, 9:00 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I grew up respecting, almost revering Margaret Thatcher. What a
> > > > > > > stalwart
> > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > the face of encroaching Communism and it's inherent
> > > > > destruction of
> > > > > > > > > > > individuality and creativity. I hope her passing brings more
> > > > > > > conservative
> > > > > > > > > > > economic policy into the debate. I don't know about England but
> > > > > > > over here
> > > > > > > > > > > in America we are still spending money we don't have and
> > > > > expanding
> > > > > > > > > > > government services our government sucks at dispensing. Our
> > > > > elected
> > > > > > > > > > > representatives lie to our faces on national television and
> > > > > there's
> > > > > > > > > > almost
> > > > > > > > > > > no reaction. I suppose it's always been like that but I hate it
> > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > > we're
> > > > > > > > > > > being "fundamentally changed" and most of the public is
> > > > > blissfully
> > > > > > > > > > unaware
> > > > > > > > > > > of the nefarious agenda being enacted right under their noses.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > Iron
> > > > > > > > > > > Lady's warnings about the follies of big government are being
> > > > > > > ignored
> > > > > > > > > > > globally to our mutual detriment.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Anyways that's my thoughts about her. I know many of you have
> > > > > > > different
> > > > > > > > > > > thoughts on her impact and contributions and this thread is a
> > > > > > > chance to
> > > > > > > > > > air
> > > > > > > > > > > them. I'll never forget reading Frederick Von Heyek's reaction
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > > > > meeting her. "She's so beautiful!" Not an adjective I would
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > applied
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > her myself but to a guy used to
>
> ...
>
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yellow object seen in sky etc. Cold and windy today walking Maxwell.
An old guy watching us said I'd finally invented the Labrador non-
retriever. I said I'd specially trained Max to leave his ball to
encourage me to walk further. Good to hear you are getting better
rigs. Better get your tooth fixed before Gabby flies over with her
dentists' drill and acupuncture anesthetics kit!! Though maybe not -
the Germans are repatriating their gold.
Thatcher is famed here in the UK for stopping our children's free
milk. Actually, she was responsible for much greater cruelty in
preventing milk-aid to Vietnam. Looking through lists of PMs and
Presidents I'm not sure I can say any of them did anything better than
stepping down. I think we might be better off with leadership by open
examination and lot. My experience with it was always to hope it was
occupied somewhere else and that when I actually needed decision
support it was on holiday after sending pre-denial messages buried
three levels down in my emails. I always found getting welders to
work in the rain so a few hundred shipyard workers standing idle could
get on with work that couldn't start before the welders finished a
fair test of leadership. It taught you to project manage better so it
never happened again!
Grass needs cutting. Max hasn't met the mower yet! I wonder what
crosses the Pond? Thatcher is pretty reviled here, but we're still a
soft touch on Obama.
On Apr 26, 3:15 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not me- I don't romanticize it.
>
> I wonder how many feel some shame and responsibility for the sweat-
> shop-fire-traps of Bangladesh and other third world countries when
> they buy their bargains at Primark, Walmart, Target, and perhaps many
> private labels?
>
> It's also been said that Jenny Jerome's father was Jewish. Read a
> maybe two volume biography. Think I have mentioned her fatal tumble
> down a flight of stairs when her new heel broke and younger husbands,
> etc. Quite a dash-about, she was.
>
> Our soldiers are also committing suicide at an alaming rate.
>
> Your sports are sometimes like a dance- it depends. Dance and drama
> may have started with men who seem to go on ad nauseum- more so than
> women, who have other flaws and faults.
>
> Am recovering nicely after convincing my eye dr. how to medicate
> me. :-) Why should I take as many pills as a bruiser 6'+ weighing 200+
> when I am 5'3" and 120? Doesn't make sense. The snows have melted-
> warm this weekend. Hooray! Thanks again to all for your good wishes.
>
> On Apr 25, 4:21 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In short we are living in the past.
>
> > On 25 Apr, 18:19, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Churchill was half American - nuff said Don! I hoped Thatcher would
> > > be real change - but this dream is always rubbish - look at Obama.
> > > Oliver Stone did The Untold American History recently - it turned out
> > > not to be news to me, but we have forgotten how much sentiment there
> > > was towards the end of WW2 about job guarantee and a democratic world
> > > (Henry Wallace, generally unknown here, was the heart of it). The
> > > debate had been had here at the end of WW1 - E D Morel unseated
> > > Churchill in Dundee.
>
> > > I think democracy is dead. I suspect many of us worry about this
> > > across the old political spectrum. The left is haunted by Soviet
> > > Paradise and now the right faces much the same with the banksters and
> > > crony capitalism - the shadow politburo. Most of us want government
> > > off our backs and probably think it's better to be able to vote for
> > > what we want. But let's face it, Plato couldn't resolve the
> > > corruption problem in seven books and didn't notice slavery was
> > > wrong. I suspect Hayek and Popper would have disliked Thatcher - they
> > > were anti-convictionist. I dislike the road to serfdom whether by
> > > Soviet or global wage arbitrage. I don't share rigs' views above now
> > > - but I did until a few years ago.
>
> > > On the young Gabby, there is no talking to teenagers (scientifically)
> > > and peer influence is at its greatest. Quite why humans specialise in
> > > this extended period of painful childishness I don't know. I favour
> > > doing them as little damage as possible and don't think debt peonage
> > > by extending childhood to 21 is appropriate. I doubt people can stay
> > > honest in leadership or politics without transparency and a system in
> > > which they return to 'ordinary' status.
>
> > > So how do we do transparent in a dirty old world? In games of
> > > negotiation, undergraduate teams always chose the strategy that shits
> > > on the other group - presumably thinking the other group can't work
> > > out the simple rules. Accounting, just at the point when technology
> > > could make the process transparent, accounts in a manner of
> > > obfuscation We are all being told our countries should be innovative,
> > > competitive, thrusting, vibrant (endless list) to be better than all
> > > others in "free trade". The spreadsheet could start instead with
> > > world-wide standards on wages and conditions. Rigs may rightly say
> > > scientists haven't fixed us but no doubt doesn't have dreams about
> > > moving as a four-dimensional space shifting in two dimensions of
> > > time. Is the experiment of decent living standards for all and an
> > > economics that adjusts to that beyond us rigs? We can simulate -
> > > which is what spreadsheets and databases are about. From my practical
> > > experience I'd expect bunches of men with guns to be an early problem,
> > > along with black-baggers and on to the megalomaniac paranoid
> > > narcissist versions of that North Korean prat in our own systems.
> > > With mosquito nets to give away in Africa the first problem was
> > > stopping black bandits stealing them - or so I thought until I found
> > > my own team had cornered a black market in them. Further up the tree
> > > you find the bribes, tenders accepted at "cost plus" and suspect the
> > > kickbacks reach white pockets. We can stop this kind of thing and
> > > choose not to. Those who learn science come to realise most people
> > > don't have the courage for it - but not quite what this implies about
> > > social organisation and the role of terror in it. Unemployment is
> > > such a terror for some they commit suicide. Suicide is almost a way
> > > of life for Indian farmers (250,000 in the last ten years or so).
> > > What has WW3 meant for the women of Congo? Economics and politics
> > > should be a war against terror. They ain't and rely on its
> > > continuance.
>
> > > On 25 Ap -r, 11:33, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Make power relations visible from the beginning on, is what I suggest. And
> > > > start with positioning yourself in whatever frame that is under discussion.
> > > > Educated voters do not pop up by flipping the age switch. Sending kids out
> > > > at the age of 14 to have them experience how power relations also work
> > > > outside family and school is an easy way of keeping my hands clean. - A re
> > > > view from/at the grassroots.
>
> > > > 2013/4/24 rigs <rigs...@gmail.com>
>
> > > > > We need less sentimentality re our elections- they have become
> > > > > popularity contests sprinkled with celebrities, media bias, appeal to
> > > > > base or selfish interests, etc. We also need serious, educated voters
> > > > > which diminishes with universal sufferage and all the axes grinding
> > > > > away. I do think there are honest people concerned about the general
> > > > > welfare. Another correction should be term limits. The general disgust
> > > > > with politicians is widespread but we get the government we deserve or
> > > > > settle for. Would private wealth guarantee an honest politician or
> > > > > would power be just as corrupting. (You could also rant about
> > > > > scientists who have thus far failed to cure the ills of humanity.)
>
> > > > > On Apr 23, 3:57 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > which one Molly? It seems the day of the honest politician that put the
> > > > > > nation above private interest is dead, gone and buried.. It is not to
> > > > > late
> > > > > > to save the economy but that will not happen as long as they can line
> > > > > thir
> > > > > > pockets with gold.. and if there is an honest politician they throw so
> > > > > much
> > > > > > money agaist them it is impossible to win.
>
> > > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:28 AM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Roosevelt, Roosevelt, waitin' on Roosevelt.
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 22, 9:21 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > He forgot Roosevelt. And the generals/admirals who knew how many
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > > be killed in advance. My- such a cutthroat world.
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 21, 4:12 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > My goodness you've lumped Churchill in with some disreputable
> > > > > > > characters
> > > > > > > > > haven't you Archy? I knew most of y'all wouldn't have cared for her
> > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > much but I wish we had someone just like her that could win an
> > > > > election
> > > > > > > > > over here but that's just not going to happen anytime too soon.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:39 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Women owe her a lot though she was not a feminist. She turned
> > > > > Britain
> > > > > > > > > > around but is a controversial figure. I say, Rest in Peace,
> > > > > Maggie!
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 8, 9:00 pm, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I grew up respecting, almost revering Margaret Thatcher. What a
> > > > > > > stalwart
> > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > the face of encroaching Communism and it's inherent
> > > > > destruction of
> > > > > > > > > > > individuality and creativity. I hope her passing brings more
> > > > > > > conservative
> > > > > > > > > > > economic policy into the debate. I don't know about England but
> > > > > > > over here
> > > > > > > > > > > in America we are still spending money we don't have and
> > > > > expanding
> > > > > > > > > > > government services our government sucks at dispensing. Our
> > > > > elected
> > > > > > > > > > > representatives lie to our faces on national television and
> > > > > there's
> > > > > > > > > > almost
> > > > > > > > > > > no reaction. I suppose it's always been like that but I hate it
> > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > > we're
> > > > > > > > > > > being "fundamentally changed" and most of the public is
> > > > > blissfully
> > > > > > > > > > unaware
> > > > > > > > > > > of the nefarious agenda being enacted right under their noses.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > Iron
> > > > > > > > > > > Lady's warnings about the follies of big government are being
> > > > > > > ignored
> > > > > > > > > > > globally to our mutual detriment.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Anyways that's my thoughts about her. I know many of you have
> > > > > > > different
> > > > > > > > > > > thoughts on her impact and contributions and this thread is a
> > > > > > > chance to
> > > > > > > > > > air
> > > > > > > > > > > them. I'll never forget reading Frederick Von Heyek's reaction
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > > > > meeting her. "She's so beautiful!" Not an adjective I would
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > applied
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > her myself but to a guy used to
>
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