Re: Mind's Eye Globalization, a threat to mankind

I know the clarity thing very well,, and thoroughly enjoyed it.. It is
a very nice place to be.. lol then I moved to the Netherlands..

Since I have been here and chatting on this group .. I have started
asking a lot of questions and some very stupid ones at that,, the
problem started with a vacation to Malta.. interesting place.. and
some interesting facts showed up.. and they really started mess with
my beliefs.. but I have to admit some of the questions had risen
earlier..

Recently I found out that what my beliefs evolved to were declared a
heresy early in the churches history when they dealt with groups that
disagreed with them by murder.. I would be one of those people the
followers of Paul Murdered..

The Catholic Faith is fine for most people and they are semi-safe
spiritually and live good spiritual lives.. I also see the good that
the church does.. and do not focus in the minor faults that are
magnified. The problem comes from when I read the prayers and services
for my self I find myself lying to to me and that is not a good
position to be in spiritually.

In my personal opinion, beliefs should be flexible and able to evolve
into stronger as well as more personal.I have a friend that has joined
me and his questions keep pressing the envelope.. There is no
intention of starting a church though.. I am definitely not the writer
Merton was..
Allan

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:
> I too did the circle back to my Catholic roots, seeing everything
> about it completely differently now, but the reverence. That ever-
> present feeling of connected-ness is still the same for me. Oddly
> enough, I have moved back to the area where I first felt it and am
> able to sit (for hours) in the same church. As an adult, the nuns do
> not chase me home.
>
> Merton's journey quickly took him to the realm of the mystic. From
> time to time, he captures Christian mysticism with overpowering
> clarity. He did a lot of work later in life on inter-faith councils,
> especially with the Buddhists. It was the 60's after all. Here in
> the states, he really bridged the gap with the younger generation
> (flower children). So, his writing provides peace for me in between
> times of mounting bureaucracy and spiraling memes to resurrect the
> failing economic engine of one of the country's most interesting and
> troubled cities. Here, after many leaps of faith. Truth be told, I
> may be too old for it all, it seems to exhaust me. Finding the groups
> of folks in this area, brilliant and not in need of more income or
> activity, invested in bringing back the vitality of a place and a
> people whose value has been corroded and covered up with waste and
> greed for decades, is inspiring. And it is happening, the comeback.
> Cynics say things will never change. I see it changing all around me.
>
> I can't explain swarm mentality, and wonder at people camped out for
> over a week in front of a store waiting to the time it opens on the
> day after Thanksgiving. My leap of faith is that what is unseen in
> the process makes it difficult to understand. My judgement makes it
> right or wrong. All of that is mental. Lately, I tree watch. Watch
> the same tree for hours. The mental is given a rest while the life in
> me springs eternal. My own particular refresh button.
>
> On Nov 20, 2:45 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> my view of the sacraments and rituals were far different years ago and
>> do seethe importance of them.. you can buy the missal, actually all
>> the official prayer books for your phone if you have android.. don't
>> know about apple as I don't have one..
>>
>> I used to love the prayers and Mass,, then evolution of beliefs
>> started again, with my vacation to Malta. An very interesting truth
>> saw reveled since then it does not read the same..
>>
>> oddly though my beliefs have returned full circle from where I started
>> 45+ years ago with a vision involving Jesus.. the The vision is still
>> valid but my interpretation of "I am the way the light and the truth."
>> has changed.
>>
>> I am studying in a way the same thing.. The Buddhist teaching are
>> very correct.. in the path of salvation,, (looked up a word, only to
>> find it actually meant something different than what I had gained as
>> its meaning,) It was said that in the years before Jesus started
>> teaching he had traveled to India, I see tremendous similarities in
>> his teachings and those of Buddha.. I also see the influence of
>> people wanting a short cut to spirituality.
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>> Though I never read or knew Merton I did have the privilege of
>> talking with people that did know him.. I could not afford his books
>> at the time.
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>> Oddly I do believe with globalization and the greater access to
>> knowledge, beliefs are starting to change again. I see it in myself
>> and what is saw as the very core and foundation of belief.
>> Alllan
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>> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > My husband and I are both reading seven story mountain, and I bought a
>> > few more for Christmas presents: No Man is an Island; New Seeds of
>> > Contemplation; Contemplative prayer. I admire his translation of the
>> > sacraments and rituals to internal processes.
>>
>> > What is often missed, is that the notion of heaven on earth does not
>> > ignore human shortcoming or suffering. It integrates and recognizes.
>> > Like a Bodhisattva, joyfully participating in the sorrows of the
>> > world. Allowing each his own, and knowing and feeling the connection
>> > of all. I don't dwell in despair. That doesn't mean it does not exist
>> > in the world. I work every day in downtown Detroit. And see much,
>> > but don't worry about the wrong or right of it. I just work each day
>> > in joy. People smile when they see (and feel) a genuine smile.
>>
>> > On Nov 19, 3:45 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Molly which one of Merton's books are you reading .. he is quiet prolific..
>> >> Allan
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>> >> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > I don't think that isolating like the Amish (who lead their
>> >> > ethnocentric group with control measures) or focusing on the ills of
>> >> > government, law enforcement or narrow economic pictures give a clear
>> >> > picture of what globalization means to humanity. Ultimately, what is
>> >> > seen in separation, separates us. I feel toward humanity as Thomas
>> >> > Merton:
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>> >> > "There is in all things an inexhaustible sweetness and purity, a
>> >> > silence that is a fountain of action and joy. It rises up in wordless
>> >> > gentleness and flows out of me from unseen roots of all created
>> >> > beings."
>>
>> >> > The unseen roots unite us, and globalization is spirit in action in
>> >> > the "rising up." How this manifests in our view is largely dependent
>> >> > on our own given focus. If it is dismal we need to feel, we will see
>> >> > the dismal every time. It doesn't change the fact that heaven on
>> >> > earth is ours for the taking. More spirit in action.
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>> >> > "It doesn't matter which you heard, the holy or the broken
>> >> > Hallelujah." Both holy and broken co-exist. Both are holy in the
>> >> > unification.
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>> >> > On Nov 19, 6:49 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> From my perspective this reborn metaphor is misleading, it leads you to the
>> >> >> next level of happy self betrayal. The Amish community is a wonderful
>> >> >> example of what it looks like when an evolving society allows a small group
>> >> >> to conserve themselves in their own bubble and protects them from natural
>> >> >> updating processes. I believe there is better ways to not forget the values
>> >> >> of America's European history.
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>> >> >> 2012/11/19 andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com>
>>
>> >> >> > In my opinion opting out of their game is more like being reborn than of
>> >> >> > going to your own funeral. The less defendant we are on others or on
>> >> >> > things, the more free we are. We have grown to be so defendant on the
>> >> >> > system that we are afraid that we can not survive without it. The Amish
>> >> >> > community is an example that clearly demonstrates that we can survive and
>> >> >> > even thrive without the system that I refer to as globalization. It is
>> >> >> > dangerous to put all your eggs in one basket.
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>> >> >> > On Monday, November 19, 2012 11:39:27 AM UTC+1, gabbydott wrote:
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>> >> >> >> It really is that simple. It is like going to your own funeral.
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>> >> >> >> 2012/11/19 andrew vecsey <andrew...@gmail.com>
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>> >> >> >> With drugs and mass media they control our desires and with drugs and
>> >> >> >>> schools they control our thinking. The only simple solution I can think of
>> >> >> >>> is not to play their game. Just refuse to buy what they offer to sell. .
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>> >> >> >>> On Sunday, November 18, 2012 9:47:11 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
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>> >> >> >>>> globalization can be very beneficial and granted there are many self
>> >> >> >>>> centered individuals and corporations that have that have little
>> >> >> >>>> concern for others or our world.. but one thing that is coming out of
>> >> >> >>>> it they can not control what people thing and desire their world to
>> >> >> >>>> be.. Little by little I see people reclaiming the dreams of a better
>> >> >> >>>> world.
>> >> >> >>>> Oh well what can you expect from an old hippie
>> >> >> >>>> Allan
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>> >> >> >>>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> > Andrew is obviously right when one considers where our wealth is
>> >> >> >>>> > ending-up. This group is broadly parochial, white and barely
>> >> >> >>>> > understands what it excludes and how. We are reliant on centralised
>> >> >> >>>> > technology that is soon to force us to a format we don't want.
>> >> >> >>>> > Rigsy's question is about right. Previous globalisation was
>> >> >> >>>> > colonising and I suspect most of what we are witnessing now is in
>> >> >> >>>> that
>> >> >> >>>> > model. It would be good to make the move in emphasis Molly suggests,
>> >> >> >>>> > but the signs in the underlying business model indicate the opposite
>> >> >> >>>> > to me - currently remaining in advertising and making a killing in
>> >> >> >>>> > market share. There is another (dated) form of globalisation in the
>> >> >> >>>> > phrase 'workers of the world unite' and it must be clear this has
>> >> >> >>>> been
>> >> >> >>>> > resisted by the powerful other than in their own 'guilds'. My list
>> >> >> >>>> on
>> >> >> >>>> > what globalisation is would be long and rather vague - including
>> >> >> >>>> > teaching foreign students with bare English textbook answers I kn ow
>> >> >> >>>> > to be rot. James Bond has globalised but not decent water, food and
>> >> >> >>>> > housing for all - let alone freedom from the kind of idiots on all
>> >> >> >>>> > sides who keep such stuff as the Arab-Israeli conflict going.
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>> >> >> >>>> > We need realistic optimism - but this means embracing really bad news
>> >> >> >>>> > on climate (worse than we think) and history (much worse than we
>> >> >> >>>> > think) in order to see how we get some decent stuff done amongst the
>> >> >> >>>> > enemies of open society. Globalisation is getting very real in the
>> >> >> >>>> > sense of telepresence (I could be operated on in Bolton by a surgeon
>> >> >> >>>> > in Madras) and other varieties of the embodiment of knowledge that
>> >> >> >>>> > will allow remote and even home manufacturing.
>>
>> >> >> >>>> > Postmodernism (which I regard as the move to modernism we have never
>> >> >> >>>> > had) is bringing about a legitimation crisis. I am broadly (but not
>> >> >> >>>> > completely) free of the religious dross taught in youth and chronic
>> >> >> >>>> > copy-teachers who told me Julius Caesar invaded Britain in 53AD and
>> >> >> >>>> > that humans have 24 pairs of chromosomes like other apes. To
>> >> >> >>>> discover
>> >> >> >>>> > the extent of ideological dross in my education I travelled. The
>> >> >> >>>> > Internet's supposedly global reach does not even compare. How could
>> >> >> >>>> > anything be more parochial that Faceflop and Twatter? What would be
>> >> >> >>>> > want to globalise - does anyone ever ask us? How about freedom from
>> >> >> >>>> > work as means of income?
>>
>> >> >> >>>> > On 18 Nov, 14:11, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> >> I disagree, Andrew, and take a view more like Alan's. Globalization
>> >> >> >>>> >> occurs when more folks operate from a world-centric life view (not
>> >> >> >>>> ego-
>> >> >> >>>> >> centric or ethno-centric), more countries are trading goods and
>> >> >> >>>> >> services, and more folks have access to goods and services from
>> >> >> >>>> other
>> >> >> >>>> >> countries. This group is comprised of folks from many different
>> >> >> >>>> parts
>> >> >> >>>> >> of the world. A good example.
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>> >> >> >>>> >> On Nov 18, 4:09 am, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> >> >>>> >> > Globalization is reverting to the ownership and control of
>> >> >> >>>> everything world
>> >> >> >>>> >> > wide by the few. That is the danger of it all.
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>> >> >> >>>> >> > On Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:41:31 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic
>> >> >> >>>> wrote:
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>> >> >> >>>> >> > > I think realistically globalization is revering to the access to
>> >> >> >>>> >> > > everything world wide
>> >> >> >>>> >> > > Allan
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>> >> >> >>>> >> > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 3:19 PM, rigsy03
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