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-- On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Vam <atewari2007@gmail.com> wrote:
In this interesting debate...1 Apple has won. The whole world has suffered a loss. It's something what a Japaneses Quality maestro said in another context :You will gain just a little by reducing quality. But a sea of customers will each lose a mountain. The sheer contrast between the littleness of gain and the immensity of loss makes it unworthy of our morals.2 The IPR is a technical thing.What's a jury of lay people doing over it ?It needs expert testimonies.3 But the clincher is what the "foreman" of the jury said :" We wanted to make it "painful" ( for Samsung )."A clear giveaway... the verdict wasn't about law or merit.It was emotional and punitive, not assess-ive and compensatory.--
On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:47:21 PM UTC+5:30, Allan Heretic wrote:Your parents were right to copy write you Gabby you are totally unique and original.AllanOn Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 2:02 PM, gabbydott <gabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know, Don. My parents had the copyright on me and I don't see
how that has had an overall posive effect on their financial sucess.
And the patented right and obligation to raise me was definitely not a
pure joy and pleasure. And you know what, and don't even think that
this was their intention. That social blabla, that you pay your local
church for, was most likely the reason that made me survive.
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On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it's one of America's finest achievements replacing
> aristocracy with financial success as a mark of distinction. We can
> all aspire to the later but only a "precious" few can claim the
> former. You can thank George Washington. The man could have been king.
>
> Let us not forget how many people Apple employs, how much the
> corporation and their employees pay in taxes and all the taxes made
> from the sales of the equipment they innovated. Lets not forget the
> many, many jobs poor folks in China have due to Apple's manufacturing
> plant there. And what, pray tell, is wrong with creating new markets?
> At least apple's products are actually useful unlike a certain tulip
> that used to bring a pretty penny hey?
>
> I am a Consumer and will continue to be until the day I die and even
> after. I'll have to be planted/burned up and the funeral home will
> make a big fuss(for a fee) and the newspaper will have a little
> blurb(for a fee) and so on so forth. As it should be. Why cry about
> it? Trade in goods and services are what makes humans so successful as
> a species. Our ability to work together. Without it we would still be
> the savages we no doubt are descendent from.
>
> As for the patents my understand is that they are for the technology
> involved in how the tablet responds to digital manipulation on the
> screen. If Moses had a tablet like that I'm damn impressed and if it
> can be proven I'll reevaluate my entire stand on this God thing. I
> mean, I can explain a burning bush with lightening but a touch screen
> in 1441 BC requires some deity assistance wouldn't you say? Or maybe
> time travel...
>
> I have this image of Steve Jobs busting tablets when he comes down off
> the mountain and catches his flock building false images. You
> know.................Android.
>
> Really like the "clutters the caverns of commerce" line Rigsy. I
> couldn't agree with you more. Although the gothic cathedrals are a
> little too big and overbearing(intended) for my tastes I'm more of a
> Howard Roark(aka Frank Lloyd Wright) kind of man.
>
> dj
>> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 5:24 PM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't doubt we need some process to help innovation along. I no
>> doubt asset rights to my novel and day-job productions of academic
>> programmes. Molly is welcome to hers. Newsnight discussed the issue
>> around the quote rigsy comes up with above. The problem is when the
>> process establishes unnecessary economic rents.
>>
>> On 28 Aug, 15:33, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> You are right Molly, Apple did go though the government process for both a
>>> patent and copyrights,, but typical of lawyers they lie via ommision..
>>> the slate board was never patented either in the US or world wide so in
>>> their searches they can claim they never found it..
>>>
>>> In a way they are telling the truth ant the same time lying .. You have a
>>> automatic copy write and if you put a copy of your work in a
>>> sealed envelope then mail it to yourself as long as the envelope is you
>>> have proof of date of origin.. you do not have to go though the copy write
>>> process.
>>>
>>> When the design argument comes up a slate tablet from the 17th or 18th or
>>> early 19th century would proof of original creation. and invalid that part
>>> of the copy write claim. Today the world is about bullshit and high priced
>>> lawyers. A simple slate tablet showing up in the court room would
>>> invalidate their claim.. but then the lawyers would not get rich over it..
>>>
>>> Now my opinion.. the lawyers should have to contribute twice there fees,,
>>> and the corporations twice their damage claims to one of the world hunger
>>> funds run by the UN.. I bet that would stop these petty arguments and
>>> wasting courts time. It would benefit the world
>>> Allan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 2:22 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> > I do think one has the right to protect ideas and inventions- it is a
>>> > work product. However, it is a lively topic when we include absurd
>>> > profits and monopoly. True, creators of the past were content to
>>> > contribute freely- even anonymously- but we see how the reward system
>>> > has changed- mostly with capitalism- but also with wars and conquests.
>>> > I think much of the American problem can also be traced to the fact
>>> > that we lack aristocratic lineage to brag about so we substitute
>>> > merchandise as a mark of our status.
>>>
>>> > On Aug 28, 6:19 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > As I understand it, the the first step to patent, trademark or
>>> > > copyright is a search to make sure the submission is originalhttp://
>>> >www.uspto.gov/patents/process/index.jsp
>>> > > If the government issues the patent, it has survived these rigors,
>>> > > meaning, their records indicate the submission does not violate any
>>> > > previously issued patent. The same goes for copyright. My essays
>>> > > always take much longer to copyright than my fiction, and I am told by
>>> > > the Office of Copyright, that this is because of the initial search
>>> > > process.
>>>
>>> > > I have the feeling that the current owners of the Mona Lisa or the
>>> > > estate da Vinci have that all tied up or should, but artwork, I am
>>> > > sure, has a different life span for copyright than a patent would for
>>> > > an invention. These certifications expire and must be re - applied
>>> > > for after a term.
>>>
>>> > > I am not here to argue any side, and my only opinion is that it makes
>>> > > for an interesting side show. I for one, am glad that I can write,
>>> > > and hold copyrights. And that intellectual property laws protect my
>>> > > work and livelihood to some degree. These certifications didn't much
>>> > > help Tesla, but I don't think he cared enough to pursue infringement
>>> > > cases. I am not sure I do either.
>>>
>>> > > On Aug 28, 3:47 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > > > Molly what you are saying about the patent office to vary it a
>>> > little,, is
>>> > > > I am allowed to copy the Mona Lisa , put my name on it ,, then copy
>>> > write
>>> > > > it, then I control the design of any one wanting to reproduce it in any
>>> > > > form I can sue. Apple has stolen from our history intentionally and is
>>> > > > trying to deceive the public. the shape and design belongs to the
>>> > entire
>>> > > > world and any one is allowed to use it.
>>> > > > Allan
>>>
>>> > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > > > Yes that is true Molly but the slate Table existed long before copy
>>> > > > > writes existed. For this reason alone the design can not be a copy
>>> > write.
>>> > > > > Apple already had lost that argument in England and Apple has to
>>> > publish
>>> > > > > written that Samsung that were did not violate its copy writes.
>>>
>>> > > > > All apple did was go though items that were copy writed to save
>>> > time..
>>> > > > > and they know that the the slate tablet existed long before,, I
>>> > think
>>> > > > > they even used a slate tablet in an advertisement. The Jury ruling
>>> > has to
>>> > > > > be over ridden when that information becomes public. the design
>>> > sits
>>> > > > > in emanate domain.
>>> > > > > Allan
>>>
>>> > > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > > > >> If the copyright was granted, it was a valid application. The
>>> > office
>>> > > > >> of copyright does a thorough search of previous copyrights issued
>>> > > > >> before granting. Now, anyone can file a lawsuit in the US, and a
>>> > > > >> judge or jury decides if the copyright has been infringed.
>>>
>>> > > > >> On Aug 27, 9:57 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > > >> > they don't pay dividends.. they have over a billion in china so
>>> > they do
>>> > > > >> not
>>> > > > >> > have to pay US taxes.. I will leave the politics out of it..
>>> > they
>>> > > > >> lost in
>>> > > > >> > England the same case,, and they have to print for online and
>>> > > > >> television
>>> > > > >> > for 6 months that samsung did not steal their ideas..
>>>
>>> > > > >> > I have a hunch before to long long Apple will face problems for
>>> > filing
>>> > > > >> > false copy right claims.. I do think they are over their head
>>> > and do
>>> > > > >> not
>>> > > > >> > know it yet. Their problems are just beginning including their
>>> > lawyers..
>>> > > > >> > oh yeah big trouble..
>>> > > > >> > Allan
>>>
>>> > > > >> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:01 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > > > >> > > Not sure if Apple even pays a dividend- I think the stock is
>>> > trading
>>> > > > >> > > in the $600.'s and is now described as the most profitable
>>> > company on
>>> > > > >> > > earth beating out Exxon-Mobile (who still hasn't fixed the
>>> > Valdez
>>> > > > >> > > spill/aftermath which may be impossible anyway). So while I
>>> > agree I
>>> > > > >> > > would be gracious for Apple to donate to food programs, I think
>>> > it
>>> > > > >> > > would be for the sake of pr at this time as they are
>>> > essentially a
>>> > > > >> > > snob catering to narcisstic, conspicuous consumer types, i.e.
>>> > creating
>>> > > > >> > > their own universe and standards. More companies than Samsung
>>> > will be
>>> > > > >> > > affected.// The world is looney. Too bad the craftsmen that
>>> > created
>>> > > > >> > > those ever-gorgeous Gothic cathedrals can't sue the dull,
>>> > repetitive
>>> > > > >> > > skyscrapers that clutter the canyons of commerce.
>>>
>>> > > > >> > > On Aug 27, 5:42 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > > >> > > > Gabby ,, my material world is reasonably secure and I do
>>> > not see
>>> > > > >> how
>>> > > > >> > > that
>>> > > > >> > > > has any relevance to lawsuits brought by apple against
>>> > Samsung..
>>> > > > >> and they
>>> > > > >> > > > own and control the design of the slate tablet.
>>>
>>> > > > >> > > > As for cooling down .. i hope I never do, it is important to
>>> > say
>>> > > > >> > > something
>>> > > > >> > > > when there is a major wrong doing especially when it is a
>>> > major
>>> > > > >> > > > corporation. One should not remain silent when you observe a
>>> > > > >> criminal
>>> > > > >> > > > violating the law. if for no other reason we all have to pay
>>> > for
>>> > > > >> these
>>> > > > >> > > > crimes.
>>>
>>> > > > >> > > > As for Apple I think they should be required to put up the
>>> > > > >> equivalent
>>> > > > >> > > > amount of cash as they are suing for to one of the UN
>>> > children
>>> > > > >> > > programs..
>>> > > > >> > > > maybe corporations will think twice about stealing what is
>>> > not
>>> > > > >> theirs.
>>> > > > >> > > > Allan
>>>
>>> > > > >> > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:59 AM, gabbydott <
>>> > gabbyd...@gmail.com>
>>> > > > >> wrote:
>>> > > > >> > > > > The pursuit of happiness needs to be secured in its material
>>> > > > >> > > > > manifestations in the here and now, is one possible
>>> > explanation to
>>> > > > >> > > > > make you cool down and understand the well meaning idea
>>> > behind
>>> > > > >> how you
>>> > > > >> > > > > experience this matter. Embrace this and get on with your
>>> > life.
>>>
>>> > > > >> > > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Allan H <
>>> > allanh1...@gmail.com>
>>> > > > >> > > wrote:
>>> > > > >> > > > > > As I live in the Netherlands now and am hearing about the
>>> > > > >> massive law
>>> > > > >> > > > > suit
>>> > > > >> > > > > > brought by Apple over its intellectual design of their
>>> > tablet..
>>> > > > >> How
>>> > > > >> > > can
>>> > > > >> > > > > you
>>> > > > >> > > > > > claim copy write to something they did not design but
>>> > was
>>> > > > >> designed
>>> > > > >> > > > > > centuries ago.
>>>
>>> > > > >> > > > > > I have some serious problems that, they did not design the
>>> > > > >> rounded
>>> > > > >> > > > > corners
>>> > > > >> > > > > > with the square writing surface.. I bought a chalk /
>>> > slate
>>> > > > >> tablet of
>>> > > > >> > > > > that
>>> > > > >> > > > > > design long before Apple existed.. Dr Caroline McGill,
>>> > the
>>> > > > >> Lady
>>> > > > >> > > that
>>> > > > >> > > > > > started the rock Mountain museum showed one and told me
>>> > that is
>>> > > > >> what
>>> > > > >> > > she
>>> > > > >> > > > > > used for going to school learning her alphabet and math
>>> > on, by
>>> > > > >> now
>>> > > > >> > > that
>>> > > > >> > > > > > would have been well over one hundred years ago, who ever
>>> > > > >> actually
>>> > > > >> > > owned
>>> > > > >> > > > > > the copyright it has expired long ago. That person or
>>> > persons is
>>> > > > >> > > lost in
>>> > > > >> > > > > > history.
>>>
>>> > > > >> > > > > > As I pick up my modern day slate board to write this
>>> > email I am
>>> > > > >> > > angry
>>> > > > >> > > > > over
>>> > > > >> > > > > > some arrogant rich corporation claiming the slate board
>>> > design
>>> > > > >> as
>>> > > > >> > > their
>>> > > > >> > > > > > intellectual property. As for rounded
>>>
>>> ...
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