Re: Mind's Eye life-forms

Heh Archy there are always alternatives and indeed as you know I
subscribe to some of them.

We know though via studies done of those with brain injuries that
personality exists in the brain, as well as gender, sexual preferance,
emotions and ideas.

On Jan 4, 6:30 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are alternatives Lee.  Frege has what he calls ideas in the
> personal world, the solid independent world of bricks (etc.) and
> thoughts as a third realm.  Biologists are prone to think there is an
> information world as well as the more solid one.  The agnostic broadly
> doesn't want to engage in rationalist fantasy on questions like 'god'
> seeing them as beyond resolution in our rationality.  I tend to go for
> a base of humanity as social animal.  We have overblown the
> intellectual in this and connected it too closely with the individual
> and academy.
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> On Jan 4, 4:49 pm, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > A huge welcome from me too Eman.  I'm afraid that I shall be the voice
> > of dissent (just for a change) and agree with RP.  All that you are
> > takes place in the old grey matter, when that no longer functions the
> > person is truly gone.  All thoughts and feelings take place in the
> > brain, and what is spirituality if not an amalgamation of thoughts and
> > feelings?
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> > On Jan 4, 1:41 pm, Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Thank you Archytas for your  welcome. Such non physical phenomena are hard
> > > to prove experimentally by definition but there is no need to disregard
> > > all possibilities of existence outside the physical realm.  I personally
> > > believe in dreams as a possible connection between the worlds of the living
> > > and the dead, I also believe in telepathy and think that the quantum
> > > principle of entanglement can apply to humans in someways, and I see death
> > > as a transition between two states rather than the end of personal
> > > existence, thinking again that once we come to life, we won't end but
> > > transform and the data that make up our individuality lingers on in one
> > > form or another. But then again, these are only my beliefs. This universe
> > > is full of mysteries that we are just beginning to explore, and I think we
> > > need to approach such mystery with openness to all possibilities.
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> > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 6:26 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I agree Abdulla - welcome as a member of the group.  Many scientists
> > > > think an information world or third realm (of thought) exists.  I have
> > > > always tended to agree with RP on human responsibilities but am not so
> > > > sure on this.  I must say I doubt a lot of the evidence you suggest,
> > > > but I'd still like to see more focus on spirituality in practice (even
> > > > as an atheist - or at least agnostic).
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> > > > On Jan 3, 6:05 pm, Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I tend to disagree as there is absolutely no proof that human
> > > > > consciousness, let alone spirituality, is merely a function of gray
> > > > matter.
> > > > > Many will argue that humans leave an invisible imprint on the universe
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> > > > > is felt after their physical death. Near Death experiences, communicating
> > > > > information to the living by means of dreams, and other similar phenomena
> > > > > that, although not captured by science, have been repeatedly reported> I
> > > > > think that reducing spirituality to a physical fuction is a disservice to
> > > > > science which has been able to point out the reductionist fallacies in
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> > > > > areas of quantum physics and cosmology. There is still much to be
> > > > explored
> > > > > when it comes to one of the most complex aspects of existence, i.e, human
> > > > > consciousness and spiritual transcendence.
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> > > >  > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:42 AM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > The conscious-active individuality is an attribute of a living
> > > > > > organism. When the life of an organism snuffs out, the attribute
> > > > > > vanishes. Spirituality is tied to the physicality of an organism as it
> > > > > > is the gray-matter in the head which determines spiritual activity.